On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYou are the stupid one. If you really believe the debate is about money or an outdated agreement and not climate change, then you have proven yourself culpable. Guilty of spinning.
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a >>difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive >>outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYou Rich are the stupid boy! The money YOUR useless government is borrowing to pay those costs would be better spent fixing NZ instead of them just talking about it! We need to tell them where to stick their climate change scam !!!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:You are the stupid one. If you really believe the debate is about money or an >outdated agreement and not climate change, then you have proven yourself >culpable. Guilty of spinning.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a >>>difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive >>>outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:27:34?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYou Rich are the stupid boy! The money YOUR useless government is borrowing to pay those costs would be better spent fixing NZ instead of them just talking about it! We need to tell them where to stick their climate change scam !!!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:42:17 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:27:34?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:We haven't had to pay any of those costs yet, John - so nobody has
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYou Rich are the stupid boy! The money YOUR useless government is borrowing to pay those costs would be better spent fixing NZ instead of them just talking about it! We need to tell them where to stick their climate change scam !!!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
borrowed to pay them!
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 00:38:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:John Bowes and Newstalkzb were wrong - nothing new there, but I gave
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:You are the stupid one. If you really believe the debate is about money or an
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a
difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive >>>outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
outdated agreement and not climate change, then you have proven yourself >culpable. Guilty of spinning.
one reason why they are wrong.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 00:38:17 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't change the subject.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:You are the stupid one. If you really believe the debate is about money or an >>outdated agreement and not climate change, then you have proven yourself >>culpable. Guilty of spinning.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make >>>>a
difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive >>>>outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
John Bowes and Newstalkzb were wrong - nothing new there, but I gave
one reason why they are wrong.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:Rich realise his error? You must be joking Tony. Rich thinks he has the only viable opinion even though it's highly politically biased...
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a
difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive >>>outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Bill.
--Well he did until he read your post and realised his error!
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Well he did until he read your post and realised his error!
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a >>>difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive >>>outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Bill.
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Bill.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Bill.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Of course you have.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make >>>>a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive >>>>outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:30:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Your reason for going along with all this nonsense is not because it
will make a positive difference to the climate, but so NZ can avoid
paying money to some foreign third party.
What is that if it isn't a political motive?
Bill.
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 05:06:50 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:30:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Your reason for going along with all this nonsense is not because it
will make a positive difference to the climate, but so NZ can avoid
paying money to some foreign third party.
What is that if it isn't a political motive?
Bill.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:30:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>It is one of the reasons why we as a country want to do the right
wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Your reason for going along with all this nonsense is not because it
will make a positive difference to the climate, but so NZ can avoid
paying money to some foreign third party.
What is that if it isn't a political motive?
Bill.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Of course you have.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make >>>>>a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive >>>>>outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
On 2023-03-14, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...The whole world has to do this, or do nothing. CO2 without borders,
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
methane also.
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:26:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyThere you go again Rich. seeing yourself and your actions in others! Now get back on topic and try and explain how anything NZ does is going to make an iota of difference to what is happening to the climate/ Not what other country's efforts are doing but
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Instead of just lying, why not be a little constructive, Tony , and if
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:Of course you have.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make
a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive
outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
you cannot support your assertions, just don't post bullshit.
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 05:06:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:30:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:It is one of the reasons why we as a country want to do the right
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will >>>>>>make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive
outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Your reason for going along with all this nonsense is not because it
will make a positive difference to the climate, but so NZ can avoid
paying money to some foreign third party.
What is that if it isn't a political motive?
thing - but yes self-interest is there as well. Complying with an >international agreement however makes sense for other reasons -
including that being honest with ourselves and others; being true to
our word, demonstrating that compliance is possible (setting an
example). Some years ago our government adopted a slogan of "100%
Clean, Green", which was at the time clearly a cynical political goal
of increasing tourism - and the government soon found that their
dishonesty did not give the results they wanted. We have a
responsibility to our country in terms of reducing pollution
(including plastics in the ocean), but also to trade partners to be
seen to live up to our commitments - as a small trading nation we rely
on good will. Once National had signed us up, our duty has been clear
- that so little has been done is regrettable, but politics reflect
reality - the cynical courting of the ''freedumb'' protestors about
climate change and other issues is costing National votes, and is
boosting the popularity of the Green Party, who are I believe taking
votes from Labour. Labour will be aware of this, but currently they
have to divert a lot of attention to recovery from Cyclone Gabrielle.
So yes politics, including international relationships, are an issue,
there are very few issues that do not involve politics, but in
relation to our climate change commitments, we should be able to work
to provide an example of how it can be done and be seen to contribute
to the world positively; despite cynical politicking from some writing
to this group or pursuing destructive political ideas that would
reduce our ability to fulfil our commitments. Our scientists (employed
by the government) are working to seek ways of reducing emissions from
farms - despite some in the farming sector doing their best to ignore
the goals we have already agreed for issues such as effluent disposal
and clean water standards.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:26:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are the liar again, as usual and ad infinitum. Obviously the payment of money because of an agreement internationally is political - but you wouldn't agree that black was darker than white would you?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Of course you have.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will >>>>>>make
a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no >>>>>>positive
outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Instead of just lying, why not be a little constructive, Tony , and if
you cannot support your assertions, just don't post bullshit.
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 01:23:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhy not? The government reneged on the NZ Bill of rights! Now get back on fucking topic you fucking imbecile! Clue; It has nothing to do with the $billions the government is happily borrowing so it can pay for it's failure to meet the targets it claimed
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Are you proposing that New Zealand should renege on that international agreement, Tony? Now that would be political!
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:26:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are the liar again, as usual and ad infinitum. Obviously the payment of >money because of an agreement internationally is political - but you wouldn't
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:Of course you have.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will >>>>>>>make
a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no >>>>>>>positive
outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Instead of just lying, why not be a little constructive, Tony , and if >>you cannot support your assertions, just don't post bullshit.
agree that black was darker than white would you?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:26:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are the liar again, as usual and ad infinitum. Obviously the payment of >money because of an agreement internationally is political - but you wouldn't >agree that black was darker than white would you?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Of course you have.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will >>>>>>>make
a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no >>>>>>>positive
outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Instead of just lying, why not be a little constructive, Tony , and if
you cannot support your assertions, just don't post bullshit.
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 01:23:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo not change the subject you fool.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:26:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are the liar again, as usual and ad infinitum. Obviously the payment of >>money because of an agreement internationally is political - but you wouldn't >>agree that black was darker than white would you?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Of course you have.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will >>>>>>>>make
a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no >>>>>>>>positive
outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>>>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Instead of just lying, why not be a little constructive, Tony , and if >>>you cannot support your assertions, just don't post bullshit.
Are you proposing that New Zealand should renege on that international >agreement, Tony? Now that would be political!
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 05:06:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:30:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:It is one of the reasons why we as a country want to do the right
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Your reason for going along with all this nonsense is not because it
will make a positive difference to the climate, but so NZ can avoid
paying money to some foreign third party.
What is that if it isn't a political motive?
thing - but yes self-interest is there as well. Complying with an international agreement however makes sense for other reasons -
including that being honest with ourselves and others; being true to
our word, demonstrating that compliance is possible (setting an
example). Some years ago our government adopted a slogan of "100%
Clean, Green", which was at the time clearly a cynical political goal
of increasing tourism - and the government soon found that their
dishonesty did not give the results they wanted. We have a
responsibility to our country in terms of reducing pollution
(including plastics in the ocean), but also to trade partners to be
seen to live up to our commitments - as a small trading nation we rely
on good will. Once National had signed us up, our duty has been clear
- that so little has been done is regrettable, but politics reflect
reality - the cynical courting of the ''freedumb'' protestors about
climate change and other issues is costing National votes, and is
boosting the popularity of the Green Party, who are I believe taking
votes from Labour. Labour will be aware of this, but currently they
have to divert a lot of attention to recovery from Cyclone Gabrielle.
So yes politics, including international relationships, are an issue,
there are very few issues that do not involve politics, but in
relation to our climate change commitments, we should be able to work
to provide an example of how it can be done and be seen to contribute
to the world positively; despite cynical politicking from some writing
to this group or pursuing destructive political ideas that would
reduce our ability to fulfil our commitments. Our scientists (employed
by the government) are working to seek ways of reducing emissions from
farms - despite some in the farming sector doing their best to ignore
the goals we have already agreed for issues such as effluent disposal
and clean water standards.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy .
. .
Really - to which countries and where are they on the list of CO2
polluters?
On 2023-03-15, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:So Rich is in reality a ChatGPT?! :)
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 05:06:50 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:30:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>wrote:It is one of the reasons why we as a country want to do the right
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:So you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay >>>>>millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >>>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Your reason for going along with all this nonsense is not because it >>will make a positive difference to the climate, but so NZ can avoid >>paying money to some foreign third party.
What is that if it isn't a political motive?
thing - but yes self-interest is there as well. Complying with an international agreement however makes sense for other reasons -
including that being honest with ourselves and others; being true to
our word, demonstrating that compliance is possible (setting an
example). Some years ago our government adopted a slogan of "100%
Clean, Green", which was at the time clearly a cynical political goal
of increasing tourism - and the government soon found that their dishonesty did not give the results they wanted. We have a
responsibility to our country in terms of reducing pollution
(including plastics in the ocean), but also to trade partners to be
seen to live up to our commitments - as a small trading nation we rely
on good will. Once National had signed us up, our duty has been clear
- that so little has been done is regrettable, but politics reflect reality - the cynical courting of the ''freedumb'' protestors about climate change and other issues is costing National votes, and is
boosting the popularity of the Green Party, who are I believe taking
votes from Labour. Labour will be aware of this, but currently they
have to divert a lot of attention to recovery from Cyclone Gabrielle.
So yes politics, including international relationships, are an issue, there are very few issues that do not involve politics, but in
relation to our climate change commitments, we should be able to work
to provide an example of how it can be done and be seen to contribute
to the world positively; despite cynical politicking from some writing
to this group or pursuing destructive political ideas that would
reduce our ability to fulfil our commitments. Our scientists (employed
by the government) are working to seek ways of reducing emissions from farms - despite some in the farming sector doing their best to ignore
the goals we have already agreed for issues such as effluent disposal
and clean water standards.
A simpler version from ChatGPT
In short, there are many reasons why it makes sense for our country to comply with international agreements to reduce pollution and address
climate change. Not only does it show that we are honest and true to
our word, but it also sets an example for others and helps to maintain
good relationships with our trading partners.
While politics can be a
complicating factor, it's important to focus on working towards our commitments and finding ways to reduce emissions, even in sectors like farming where some individuals may be resistant to change. Ultimately, taking action on climate change is important for the future of our
country and the world.
No idea but he certainly knows how to parrot the teachings of Greta and Klaus.On 2023-03-15, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:So Rich is in reality a ChatGPT?! :)
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 05:06:50 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:A simpler version from ChatGPT
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:30:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:28:46 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:25:44 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:13:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Been telling Rich for years nothing NZ does about climate change will >> >>>>>>make a difference. It's just a feel good attack on our economy with no positive
outcome! Even scientists agree with me...
It is one of the reasons why we as a country want to do the rightSo you agree then that this is all about politics, not science.https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/audio/adrian-macey-climate-scientist-says-even-if-nzs-emissions-hit-zero-tomorrow-it-would-make-no-difference/
Of course it would make a difference - we would not have to pay
millions to overseas countries for missing our targets!. Stupid boy . >> >>>>
No - why would you think that? I certainly have not said that.
Your reason for going along with all this nonsense is not because it
will make a positive difference to the climate, but so NZ can avoid
paying money to some foreign third party.
What is that if it isn't a political motive?
thing - but yes self-interest is there as well. Complying with an
international agreement however makes sense for other reasons -
including that being honest with ourselves and others; being true to
our word, demonstrating that compliance is possible (setting an
example). Some years ago our government adopted a slogan of "100%
Clean, Green", which was at the time clearly a cynical political goal
of increasing tourism - and the government soon found that their
dishonesty did not give the results they wanted. We have a
responsibility to our country in terms of reducing pollution
(including plastics in the ocean), but also to trade partners to be
seen to live up to our commitments - as a small trading nation we rely
on good will. Once National had signed us up, our duty has been clear
- that so little has been done is regrettable, but politics reflect
reality - the cynical courting of the ''freedumb'' protestors about
climate change and other issues is costing National votes, and is
boosting the popularity of the Green Party, who are I believe taking
votes from Labour. Labour will be aware of this, but currently they
have to divert a lot of attention to recovery from Cyclone Gabrielle.
So yes politics, including international relationships, are an issue,
there are very few issues that do not involve politics, but in
relation to our climate change commitments, we should be able to work
to provide an example of how it can be done and be seen to contribute
to the world positively; despite cynical politicking from some writing
to this group or pursuing destructive political ideas that would
reduce our ability to fulfil our commitments. Our scientists (employed
by the government) are working to seek ways of reducing emissions from
farms - despite some in the farming sector doing their best to ignore
the goals we have already agreed for issues such as effluent disposal
and clean water standards.
In short, there are many reasons why it makes sense for our country to
comply with international agreements to reduce pollution and address
climate change. Not only does it show that we are honest and true to
our word, but it also sets an example for others and helps to maintain
good relationships with our trading partners.
While politics can be a
complicating factor, it's important to focus on working towards our
commitments and finding ways to reduce emissions, even in sectors like
farming where some individuals may be resistant to change. Ultimately,
taking action on climate change is important for the future of our
country and the world.
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