• Wondering where all the money spent on Te Pukenga is going?

    From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 13:02:30 2023
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori. In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023, a public funded
    education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to JohnO on Tue Mar 14 21:07:35 2023
    On 2023-03-14, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori.
    In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023,
    a public funded education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.

    The Woke award for the week.

    It is also implied that this policy could be weaponised. As pointed out in
    the article points out, other companpies have guides. I would suggest they would be more general in nature, not detailing the words not to be used.

    Also, have people really lost the concept of formal and informal language?

    At present there is a push to get more Maori spoken and this is breaking out looking like the situation above. The risk is one of backlash. The way to
    get all things Maori intergrated into the Kiwi culture is to be like an ad,
    it is there on the page and after some time people will pick it up. Slowly
    and steady is the way to go. Sure, getting all done to-day would be nice for the advocates but history shows that things do take time.


    Quote

    Winder, responding to questions, said the document was a “reference and resource to all kaimahi on our intranet”.

    There had been no complaints, he said, adding: “Comments we have had from staff have been positive.”

    Unquote

    Winder is saying that staff is not a word they use from my reading of the article.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to JohnO on Tue Mar 14 15:11:00 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:02:33 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori. In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023, a public funded
    education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.

    It's a load of utter left wing woke crap! There's no call to give it a Maori name or for that matter have it tied into the ever more useless treaty! Hell if they want a real Maori name for it call it Tohunga Kete! Maori never had polytechs till last
    century!!!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wed Mar 15 13:23:44 2023
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:02:33?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori. In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023, a public funded
    education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.

    It's a load of utter left wing woke crap! There's no call to give it a Maori name or for that matter have it tied into the ever more useless treaty! Hell if they want a real Maori name for it call it Tohunga Kete! Maori never had polytechs till last
    century!!!

    And neither did Pakeha - what was your point, John? The push for
    Maori names started under John Key - it helped keep Maori happy
    without costing anything, and helped international tourism - now a
    tertiary provider is encouraging the use of Maori words. There is no
    indication in the article that this has anything to do with the
    government - not everything is controlled from the center as under a National-led government.

    There is a competitive market for tertiary students, but it appears
    you do not believe in free markets, John - in your ideal world
    everything would be controlled by a National Party Prime Minister -
    "Right", John?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 15 00:39:24 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:02:33?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has >>>already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while >>>destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in
    the cause of left winger's uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of >>>all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed >>>doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers >>>beating Maori students for speaking in Maori. In truth, it was Maori authority
    that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in >>>2023, a public funded education authority is attempting to prohibit, for >>>example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.

    It's a load of utter left wing woke crap! There's no call to give it a Maori >>name or for that matter have it tied into the ever more useless treaty! Hell if
    they want a real Maori name for it call it Tohunga Kete! Maori never had >>polytechs till last century!!!

    And neither did Pakeha - what was your point, John? The push for
    Maori names started under John Key - it helped keep Maori happy
    without costing anything, and helped international tourism - now a
    tertiary provider is encouraging the use of Maori words. There is no >indication in the article that this has anything to do with the
    government - not everything is controlled from the center as under a >National-led government.

    There is a competitive market for tertiary students, but it appears
    you do not believe in free markets, John - in your ideal world
    everything would be controlled by a National Party Prime Minister -
    "Right", John?
    Gee you are a rude man - more proof!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to JohnO on Tue Mar 14 19:08:08 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 2:30:21 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 15 March 2023 at 10:07:38 UTC+13, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-03-14, JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori.
    In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023,
    a public funded education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.
    The Woke award for the week.

    It is also implied that this policy could be weaponised. As pointed out in the article points out, other companpies have guides. I would suggest they would be more general in nature, not detailing the words not to be used.

    Also, have people really lost the concept of formal and informal language?

    At present there is a push to get more Maori spoken and this is breaking out
    looking like the situation above. The risk is one of backlash. The way to get all things Maori intergrated into the Kiwi culture is to be like an ad,
    it is there on the page and after some time people will pick it up. Slowly and steady is the way to go. Sure, getting all done to-day would be nice for
    the advocates but history shows that things do take time.


    Quote

    Winder, responding to questions, said the document was a “reference and resource to all kaimahi on our intranet”.

    There had been no complaints, he said, adding: “Comments we have had from staff have been positive.”

    Unquote

    Winder is saying that staff is not a word they use from my reading of the article.
    No staff would dare complain about the policy as they would be summarily deemed racist, cancelled, tarred and feathered and ridden out of the institution in a tumbrel.
    Lots of bitching from tertiary staff on Twitter mate :) Seems the pronouncement has gone down like a lead balloon everywhere but in what passes for Rich and the lefts tiny minds... btw I am being generous here as the evidence indicates they have none :)

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 19:06:00 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:25:36 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:02:33?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori. In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023, a public funded
    education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.

    It's a load of utter left wing woke crap! There's no call to give it a Maori name or for that matter have it tied into the ever more useless treaty! Hell if they want a real Maori name for it call it Tohunga Kete! Maori never had polytechs till last
    century!!!
    And neither did Pakeha - what was your point, John? The push for
    Maori names started under John Key - it helped keep Maori happy
    without costing anything, and helped international tourism - now a
    tertiary provider is encouraging the use of Maori words. There is no indication in the article that this has anything to do with the
    government - not everything is controlled from the center as under a National-led government.

    So fucking what? It's been pushed past all reasonable need under your nasty racist and totalitarian government Rich! The only government that's ever pushed centerist control is your useless, racist and lying Labour governments Rich and history proves
    that! Your mendacious attacks on National are seen by all here as just the useless witterings of a Labour spin-doctor earning what he's worth!


    There is a competitive market for tertiary students, but it appears
    you do not believe in free markets, John - in your ideal world
    everything would be controlled by a National Party Prime Minister -
    "Right", John?

    What free market for tertiary students Rich. Or is free market getting a new meaning from mendacious little pricks like you?! As usual you have to lie to support your own lies Rich! Pretty typical of fucking comprehensionless imbeciles like you Rich and
    you know it!

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Mar 14 18:30:18 2023
    On Wednesday, 15 March 2023 at 10:07:38 UTC+13, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-03-14, JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori.
    In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023,
    a public funded education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.
    The Woke award for the week.

    It is also implied that this policy could be weaponised. As pointed out in the article points out, other companpies have guides. I would suggest they would be more general in nature, not detailing the words not to be used.

    Also, have people really lost the concept of formal and informal language?

    At present there is a push to get more Maori spoken and this is breaking out looking like the situation above. The risk is one of backlash. The way to get all things Maori intergrated into the Kiwi culture is to be like an ad, it is there on the page and after some time people will pick it up. Slowly and steady is the way to go. Sure, getting all done to-day would be nice for the advocates but history shows that things do take time.


    Quote

    Winder, responding to questions, said the document was a “reference and resource to all kaimahi on our intranet”.

    There had been no complaints, he said, adding: “Comments we have had from staff have been positive.”

    Unquote

    Winder is saying that staff is not a word they use from my reading of the article.

    No staff would dare complain about the policy as they would be summarily deemed racist, cancelled, tarred and feathered and ridden out of the institution in a tumbrel.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 19:40:13 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 3:28:46 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:06:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:25:36?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:02:33?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori. In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023, a public funded
    education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.

    It's a load of utter left wing woke crap! There's no call to give it a Maori name or for that matter have it tied into the ever more useless treaty! Hell if they want a real Maori name for it call it Tohunga Kete! Maori never had polytechs till
    last century!!!
    And neither did Pakeha - what was your point, John? The push for
    Maori names started under John Key - it helped keep Maori happy
    without costing anything, and helped international tourism - now a
    tertiary provider is encouraging the use of Maori words. There is no
    indication in the article that this has anything to do with the
    government - not everything is controlled from the center as under a
    National-led government.

    So fucking what? It's been pushed past all reasonable need under your nasty racist and totalitarian government Rich! The only government that's ever pushed centerist control is your useless, racist and lying Labour governments Rich and history proves
    that! Your mendacious attacks on National are seen by all here as just the useless witterings of a Labour spin-doctor earning what he's worth!


    There is a competitive market for tertiary students, but it appears
    you do not believe in free markets, John - in your ideal world
    everything would be controlled by a National Party Prime Minister -
    "Right", John?

    What free market for tertiary students Rich. Or is free market getting a new meaning from mendacious little pricks like you?! As usual you have to lie to support your own lies Rich! Pretty typical of fucking comprehensionless imbeciles like you Rich
    and you know it!
    Students can decide for themselves where they want to go - the
    government is no stopping anyone applying that meets an institutions acceptance criteria. If you wanted to be educated you could apply to a
    host of education institutions - the government does not interfere.
    But if nobody wnats to go to a particular tertiary institute, they
    would have to close . . . Understand now?
    You obvious (as usual) understand nothing Rich! Giving another Labour fuck up a silly Maori name isn't going to change anything.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wed Mar 15 15:26:55 2023
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:06:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:25:36?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:02:33?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    This dog of a Hipkins project was supposed to save some money but has already ballooned out to cost far more than it could ever save, while destroying the unique and individual nature of the individual polytechs. All in the cause of left winger's
    uncontrollable thirst for the central planning of all things.

    Well someone spent money coming up with a 30 page document of allowed doublespeak, I mean, language, among other authoritarian constraints.

    Read and weep for our youth:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131490591/te-pkenga-tells-academics-not-to-say-words-like-staff-students-or-treaty-of-waitangi

    There has been a myth propagated over the years about white teachers beating Maori students for speaking in Maori. In truth, it was Maori authority that was attempting to force the English language on Maori. Anyway, here in 2023, a public funded
    education authority is attempting to prohibit, for example, "student" and enforce "akonga".

    We're fucked if we don't uproot this sort of thing in our society.

    It's a load of utter left wing woke crap! There's no call to give it a Maori name or for that matter have it tied into the ever more useless treaty! Hell if they want a real Maori name for it call it Tohunga Kete! Maori never had polytechs till last
    century!!!
    And neither did Pakeha - what was your point, John? The push for
    Maori names started under John Key - it helped keep Maori happy
    without costing anything, and helped international tourism - now a
    tertiary provider is encouraging the use of Maori words. There is no
    indication in the article that this has anything to do with the
    government - not everything is controlled from the center as under a
    National-led government.

    So fucking what? It's been pushed past all reasonable need under your nasty racist and totalitarian government Rich! The only government that's ever pushed centerist control is your useless, racist and lying Labour governments Rich and history proves
    that! Your mendacious attacks on National are seen by all here as just the useless witterings of a Labour spin-doctor earning what he's worth!


    There is a competitive market for tertiary students, but it appears
    you do not believe in free markets, John - in your ideal world
    everything would be controlled by a National Party Prime Minister -
    "Right", John?

    What free market for tertiary students Rich. Or is free market getting a new meaning from mendacious little pricks like you?! As usual you have to lie to support your own lies Rich! Pretty typical of fucking comprehensionless imbeciles like you Rich and
    you know it!

    Students can decide for themselves where they want to go - the
    government is no stopping anyone applying that meets an institutions
    acceptance criteria. If you wanted to be educated you could apply to a
    host of education institutions - the government does not interfere.
    But if nobody wnats to go to a particular tertiary institute, they
    would have to close . . . Understand now?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)