https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:34 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not >acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political >neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but notTwo different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later.
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not
acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political >neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:17:12?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:34 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Two different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not
acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political
neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 01:20:33 -0800 (PST), John BowesIt was a cut and dry case. Shouldn't have taken any time at all!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:17:12?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:34 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Two different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later. >You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not >> >acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political
neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
Ministers.
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:49:05?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 01:20:33 -0800 (PST), John BowesIt was a cut and dry case. Shouldn't have taken any time at all!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:17:12?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:34 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Two different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not >> >> >acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political
neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
Ministers.
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:34 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Yeah right!
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not >>acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political >>neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
Two different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 02:49:49 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:49:05?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Indeed to authoritarians, due process takes no time at all - when
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 01:20:33 -0800 (PST), John BowesIt was a cut and dry case. Shouldn't have taken any time at all!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:17:12?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:34 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >> >> wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Two different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later. >> >You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not
acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political >> >> >neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
Ministers.
absolutely convinced by your own opinion, taking advice is not
necessary at all, and waiting for defence lawyers is a bit much as
well. Due process? Actually well worth the wait in enough cases to be
both expected and accepted. The feral far right is not always correct,
John.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 02:49:49 -0800 (PST), John BowesAs usual you talk a load of utter bullshit in support of a Labour appointee who didn't think the rules applied to him. Time you gave up your lies about others being authoritarian the word only applies to nasty little communist loving boys like you Rich.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:49:05?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Indeed to authoritarians, due process takes no time at all - when
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 01:20:33 -0800 (PST), John BowesIt was a cut and dry case. Shouldn't have taken any time at all!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:17:12?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:34 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >> >> wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Two different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later. >> >You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not
acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political >> >> >neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
Ministers.
absolutely convinced by your own opinion, taking advice is not
necessary at all, and waiting for defence lawyers is a bit much as
well. Due process? Actually well worth the wait in enough cases to be
both expected and accepted. The feral far right is not always correct,
John.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, John Bowes<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of politicalTwo different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later. >>You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both
Ministers.
On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 07:33:33 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:up opposition to the National Party’s Three Waters reform proposals.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 02:49:49 -0800 (PST), John BowesSpeaking of not being correct, you seem to be quiet on the subject of Campbell's freedom of speech now. Finally realised you were making a dick of yourself, Dickbot? Your defense of Campbell's position was a source of immense hilarity here.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:49:05?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Indeed to authoritarians, due process takes no time at all - when absolutely convinced by your own opinion, taking advice is not
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 01:20:33 -0800 (PST), John BowesIt was a cut and dry case. Shouldn't have taken any time at all!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:17:12?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:34 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 07:46:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131367030/rob-campbell-faces-axe-from-second-government-job-after-te-whatu-ora-sacking
Something is very dysfunctional.
The only thing that is dysfunctional is that Labour ministers have not
acted in concert over a generic issue with respect to Campbell.
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political >> >> >neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not >> >> >the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet. >> >> Two different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later.
Ministers.
necessary at all, and waiting for defence lawyers is a bit much as
well. Due process? Actually well worth the wait in enough cases to be
both expected and accepted. The feral far right is not always correct, John.
I think Bryce Edwards gets it spot on:
"Is the Chair of Te Whatu Ora Health New Zealand, Rob Campbell, trying to rid himself of a job he no longer wants? The idea that he’s trying to get himself fired is the most obvious conclusion to draw from his overt attempts over the weekend to stoke
The health boss has published his strident views on the National Party and its leader, implying they are being racist. His partisan statement is a clear breach of the code of conduct for senior public servants like himself.election chances of one political party or another.
Such politicised public statements are not normally acceptable from what is meant to be an impartial and professional public service. The bureaucracy serves the public and democracy best when it is not operating along partisan lines nor helping the
In light of this, Campbell’s comments seem to suggest he wishes to be relieved of his job running the health system – a role that is proving especially difficult. Health Minister Ayesha Verrall should probably grant this wish."
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is precisely why they had to!
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, John Bowes<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of politicalTwo different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later. >>>You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on the same day...
neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both >>Ministers.
Once again Rich is right, due process (or any other process) takes
some finite time. But it beggars belief that Labour would fire
Campbell for "violating political neutrality" when it was on behalf of
Labour policy.
More likely he was already earmarked for removal for
other reasons, but a public reason was needed to do so, and this was
it. And look how meritorious they look doing it. Win-win.
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 20:35:02 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)Yup, keep guessing - you wouldn't know anythiing about it.
wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is precisely why they had to!
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, John Bowes<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political >>>>> >neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but notTwo different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later. >>>>You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on >>>>the same day...
the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet.
Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both >>>Ministers.
Once again Rich is right, due process (or any other process) takes
some finite time. But it beggars belief that Labour would fire
Campbell for "violating political neutrality" when it was on behalf of >>Labour policy.
More likely he was already earmarked for removal for
other reasons, but a public reason was needed to do so, and this was
it. And look how meritorious they look doing it. Win-win.
What is interesting is that for all we know (and I doubt we ever will
know) all he was saying was entirely consistent with the independent >professional advice Labour received from the Environment Agency - I
think that advice to Ministers is confidential and not obtainable
under Freedom of Information Act requests. Cooperating with community
groups and using different groups to reinforce government statements
is hardly political; there has tobe some central control but by
delegating environmental activity to a local level there is better buy
in from practical business people and workers - they all want a better
New Zealand. National's plans perpetuate the myth that lower rates and
taxes are always good - sadly their scheme centralised decision making
to the center, but ensured that blame for results would rest with
locals.
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
More likely he was already earmarked for removal for
other reasons, but a public reason was needed to do so, and this was
it. And look how meritorious they look doing it. Win-win.
What is interesting is that for all we know (and I doubt we ever will
know) all he was saying was entirely consistent with ...
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Rich obviously has difficulty comprehending open government along with everything else he doesn't comprehend!
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 20:35:02 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:That is precisely why they had to!
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, John Bowes<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
the same day...Both ministers should have fired him because the issue of political >>>>> >neutrality applies to both roles. Being fired for one role but not >>>>> >the other indicates either disunity or dysfunction within Cabinet. >>>>> Two different Ministers - one may not have been avaialble until later. >>>>You sure of that? Because both ministers seem to have talked to Campbell on
Due process may well have taken longer than a phone call for both >>>Ministers.
Once again Rich is right, due process (or any other process) takes
some finite time. But it beggars belief that Labour would fire
Campbell for "violating political neutrality" when it was on behalf of >>Labour policy.
More likely he was already earmarked for removal for
other reasons, but a public reason was needed to do so, and this was
it. And look how meritorious they look doing it. Win-win.
What is interesting is that for all we know (and I doubt we ever will >know) all he was saying was entirely consistent with the independent >professional advice Labour received from the Environment Agency - IYup, keep guessing - you wouldn't know anythiing about it.
think that advice to Ministers is confidential and not obtainable
under Freedom of Information Act requests. Cooperating with community >groups and using different groups to reinforce government statements
is hardly political; there has tobe some central control but by
delegating environmental activity to a local level there is better buy
in from practical business people and workers - they all want a better
New Zealand. National's plans perpetuate the myth that lower rates and >taxes are always good - sadly their scheme centralised decision making
to the center, but ensured that blame for results would rest with
locals.
On Thu, 02 Mar 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
More likely he was already earmarked for removal for
other reasons, but a public reason was needed to do so, and this was
it. And look how meritorious they look doing it. Win-win.
What is interesting is that for all we know (and I doubt we ever will
know) all he was saying was entirely consistent with ...
I think I get why this has happened. Think of Ned Flanders. If
you're on the Labour's Inner Council, would you want Ned Flanders on
that Council? No way, right? Campbell's screed looks like something >Flanders would write. Campbell was making his move to get on to the
Inner Council. To make sure this never happened, the Council has... >unpersoned him. Good-bye Ned.
On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 04:52:39 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)MWAHAHAHA!
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
More likely he was already earmarked for removal for
other reasons, but a public reason was needed to do so, and this was >>>it. And look how meritorious they look doing it. Win-win.
What is interesting is that for all we know (and I doubt we ever will >>know) all he was saying was entirely consistent with ...
I think I get why this has happened. Think of Ned Flanders. If
you're on the Labour's Inner Council, would you want Ned Flanders on
that Council? No way, right? Campbell's screed looks like something >Flanders would write. Campbell was making his move to get on to the
Inner Council. To make sure this never happened, the Council has... >unpersoned him. Good-bye Ned.
That sounds like a Nat-bot fantasy. They have little left other than fantasy, so I am happy to leave tht garbled mess to you, Willy Nilly.
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