From the 1860 Kohimarama Conference
Quote
His Excellency Governor Browne opened the proceedings by
reading the following address, a translation, of which was
afterwards read by Donald McLean. Esq., (Native Secretary,
and President of the Conference):—
My Friends,—Chiefs of New Zealand,
[ 1 to 10 which is the intro and some good points]
11. It is unnecessary for me to remind you that Her Majesty's engagements >to Her Native subjects in New Zealand have been faithfully observed. No >foreign enemy has visited your shores, Your lands have remained in your >possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire.
Your people have availed themselves of their privileges as British subjects, >seeking and obtaining in the Courts of Law that protection and redress which >they afford to all Her Majesty's subjects. But it is right you should know and >understand that in return for these advantages you must prove yourselves to be >loyal and faithful subjects, and that the establishment of a Maori King would >be an act of disobedience and defiance to Her Majesty which cannot be tolerated.
It is necessary for the preservation of peace in every country that the inhabitants
should acknowledge one Head.
Unquote
https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM504Kohi-t1-g1-t1-body1-d2.html
It does seem that the people might benefit from a refresher course. Those >words resound to-day 160 years later.
On 1 Mar 2023 01:06:54 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
From the 1860 Kohimarama Conference
Quote
His Excellency Governor Browne opened the proceedings by
reading the following address, a translation, of which was
afterwards read by Donald McLean. Esq., (Native Secretary,
and President of the Conference):—
My Friends,—Chiefs of New Zealand,
[ 1 to 10 which is the intro and some good points]
11. It is unnecessary for me to remind you that Her Majesty's engagements >>to Her Native subjects in New Zealand have been faithfully observed. No >>foreign enemy has visited your shores, Your lands have remained in your >>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire.
Your people have availed themselves of their privileges as British subjects, >>seeking and obtaining in the Courts of Law that protection and redress which >>they afford to all Her Majesty's subjects. But it is right you should know and
understand that in return for these advantages you must prove yourselves to be
loyal and faithful subjects, and that the establishment of a Maori King would >>be an act of disobedience and defiance to Her Majesty which cannot be tolerated.
It is necessary for the preservation of peace in every country that the inhabitants
should acknowledge one Head.
Unquote
https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM504Kohi-t1-g1-t1-body1-d2.html
It does seem that the people might benefit from a refresher course. Those >>words resound to-day 160 years later.
An interesting extract - the words "Your lands have remained in your >possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire." >certainly covered an area that saw much change from around that time.
I am not sure what you were asking about regarding the Subject of the
thread - certainly Maori were very pporly treated as regards property
by both government and private persons subsequently . .
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:51:22 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>Inconvenient facts only confuse an already VERY confused Rich80105. They've never helped him catch up with what is being discussed EVER! :)
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 01:06:54 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
From the 1860 Kohimarama Conference
Quote
His Excellency Governor Browne opened the proceedings by
reading the following address, a translation, of which was
afterwards read by Donald McLean. Esq., (Native Secretary,
and President of the Conference):—
My Friends,—Chiefs of New Zealand,
[ 1 to 10 which is the intro and some good points]
11. It is unnecessary for me to remind you that Her Majesty's engagements >>to Her Native subjects in New Zealand have been faithfully observed. No >>foreign enemy has visited your shores, Your lands have remained in your >>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire. >>Your people have availed themselves of their privileges as British subjects,
seeking and obtaining in the Courts of Law that protection and redress which
they afford to all Her Majesty's subjects. But it is right you should know and
understand that in return for these advantages you must prove yourselves to be
loyal and faithful subjects, and that the establishment of a Maori King would
be an act of disobedience and defiance to Her Majesty which cannot be tolerated.
It is necessary for the preservation of peace in every country that the inhabitants
should acknowledge one Head.
Unquote
https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM504Kohi-t1-g1-t1-body1-d2.html
It does seem that the people might benefit from a refresher course. Those >>words resound to-day 160 years later.
An interesting extract - the words "Your lands have remained in your >possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire." >certainly covered an area that saw much change from around that time.
I am not sure what you were asking about regarding the Subject of the >thread - certainly Maori were very pporly treated as regards propertyWhat property was owned by pre-European Maori, and by whom?
by both government and private persons subsequently . .
Bill.
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On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:51:22 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>An excellent question!
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2023 01:06:54 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
From the 1860 Kohimarama Conference
Quote
His Excellency Governor Browne opened the proceedings by
reading the following address, a translation, of which was
afterwards read by Donald McLean. Esq., (Native Secretary,
and President of the Conference):—
My Friends,—Chiefs of New Zealand,
[ 1 to 10 which is the intro and some good points]
11. It is unnecessary for me to remind you that Her Majesty's engagements >>>to Her Native subjects in New Zealand have been faithfully observed. No >>>foreign enemy has visited your shores, Your lands have remained in your >>>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire. >>>Your people have availed themselves of their privileges as British subjects, >>>seeking and obtaining in the Courts of Law that protection and redress which >>>they afford to all Her Majesty's subjects. But it is right you should know >>>and
understand that in return for these advantages you must prove yourselves to >>>be
loyal and faithful subjects, and that the establishment of a Maori King >>>would
be an act of disobedience and defiance to Her Majesty which cannot be >>>tolerated.
It is necessary for the preservation of peace in every country that the >>>inhabitants
should acknowledge one Head.
Unquote
https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM504Kohi-t1-g1-t1-body1-d2.html
It does seem that the people might benefit from a refresher course. Those >>>words resound to-day 160 years later.
An interesting extract - the words "Your lands have remained in your >>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire." >>certainly covered an area that saw much change from around that time.
I am not sure what you were asking about regarding the Subject of the >>thread - certainly Maori were very pporly treated as regards property
by both government and private persons subsequently . .
What property was owned by pre-European Maori, and by whom?
Bill.
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BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:51:22 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:An excellent question!
On 1 Mar 2023 01:06:54 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
From the 1860 Kohimarama Conference
Quote
His Excellency Governor Browne opened the proceedings by
reading the following address, a translation, of which was
afterwards read by Donald McLean. Esq., (Native Secretary,
and President of the Conference):—
My Friends,—Chiefs of New Zealand,
[ 1 to 10 which is the intro and some good points]
11. It is unnecessary for me to remind you that Her Majesty's engagements >>>>to Her Native subjects in New Zealand have been faithfully observed. No >>>>foreign enemy has visited your shores, Your lands have remained in your >>>>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire. >>>>Your people have availed themselves of their privileges as British subjects,
seeking and obtaining in the Courts of Law that protection and redress which
they afford to all Her Majesty's subjects. But it is right you should know >>>>and
understand that in return for these advantages you must prove yourselves to >>>>be
loyal and faithful subjects, and that the establishment of a Maori King >>>>would
be an act of disobedience and defiance to Her Majesty which cannot be >>>>tolerated.
It is necessary for the preservation of peace in every country that the >>>>inhabitants
should acknowledge one Head.
Unquote
https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM504Kohi-t1-g1-t1-body1-d2.html
It does seem that the people might benefit from a refresher course. Those >>>>words resound to-day 160 years later.
An interesting extract - the words "Your lands have remained in your >>>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire." >>>certainly covered an area that saw much change from around that time.
I am not sure what you were asking about regarding the Subject of the >>>thread - certainly Maori were very pporly treated as regards property
by both government and private persons subsequently . .
What property was owned by pre-European Maori, and by whom?
Bill.
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:53:20 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs always well put Crash. However Maori caught on very quickly and joined in the money making scheme...
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:The modern interpretation is that Maori did not own land before the
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:51:22 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>wrote:An excellent question!
On 1 Mar 2023 01:06:54 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
From the 1860 Kohimarama Conference
Quote
His Excellency Governor Browne opened the proceedings by
reading the following address, a translation, of which was >>>>afterwards read by Donald McLean. Esq., (Native Secretary,
and President of the Conference):—
My Friends,—Chiefs of New Zealand,
[ 1 to 10 which is the intro and some good points]
11. It is unnecessary for me to remind you that Her Majesty's engagements
to Her Native subjects in New Zealand have been faithfully observed. No >>>>foreign enemy has visited your shores, Your lands have remained in your >>>>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire. >>>>Your people have availed themselves of their privileges as British subjects,
seeking and obtaining in the Courts of Law that protection and redress which
they afford to all Her Majesty's subjects. But it is right you should know
and
understand that in return for these advantages you must prove yourselves to
be
loyal and faithful subjects, and that the establishment of a Maori King >>>>would
be an act of disobedience and defiance to Her Majesty which cannot be >>>>tolerated.
It is necessary for the preservation of peace in every country that the >>>>inhabitants
should acknowledge one Head.
Unquote
https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM504Kohi-t1-g1-t1-body1-d2.html
It does seem that the people might benefit from a refresher course. Those
words resound to-day 160 years later.
An interesting extract - the words "Your lands have remained in your >>>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire." >>>certainly covered an area that saw much change from around that time.
I am not sure what you were asking about regarding the Subject of the >>>thread - certainly Maori were very pporly treated as regards property >>>by both government and private persons subsequently . .
What property was owned by pre-European Maori, and by whom?
ToW as colonising British understood it and said British well knew
this. Said British then exploited said Maori to dispossess them of
their land using questionable financial recompense and British
military force.
This is an issue of practices over 150 years ago or more, and the fact
that there are no direct descendants of said swindled Maori appears to
be considered irrelevant today.
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Crash McBash
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:51:22 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:An excellent question!
On 1 Mar 2023 01:06:54 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
From the 1860 Kohimarama Conference
Quote
His Excellency Governor Browne opened the proceedings by
reading the following address, a translation, of which was
afterwards read by Donald McLean. Esq., (Native Secretary,
and President of the Conference):—
My Friends,—Chiefs of New Zealand,
[ 1 to 10 which is the intro and some good points]
11. It is unnecessary for me to remind you that Her Majesty's engagements
to Her Native subjects in New Zealand have been faithfully observed. No >>>>>foreign enemy has visited your shores, Your lands have remained in your >>>>>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire. >>>>>Your people have availed themselves of their privileges as British subjects,
seeking and obtaining in the Courts of Law that protection and redress which
they afford to all Her Majesty's subjects. But it is right you should know >>>>>and
understand that in return for these advantages you must prove yourselves to
be
loyal and faithful subjects, and that the establishment of a Maori King >>>>>would
be an act of disobedience and defiance to Her Majesty which cannot be >>>>>tolerated.
It is necessary for the preservation of peace in every country that the >>>>>inhabitants
should acknowledge one Head.
Unquote
https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM504Kohi-t1-g1-t1-body1-d2.html
It does seem that the people might benefit from a refresher course. Those >>>>>words resound to-day 160 years later.
An interesting extract - the words "Your lands have remained in your >>>>possession, or have been bought by the Government at your own desire." >>>>certainly covered an area that saw much change from around that time.
I am not sure what you were asking about regarding the Subject of the >>>>thread - certainly Maori were very pporly treated as regards property >>>>by both government and private persons subsequently . .
What property was owned by pre-European Maori, and by whom?
The modern interpretation is that Maori did not own land before the
ToW as colonising British understood it and said British well knew
this. Said British then exploited said Maori to dispossess them of
their land using questionable financial recompense and British
military force.
This is an issue of practices over 150 years ago or more, and the factThere certainly are of many of those swindled - it is only 4 or 5
that there are no direct descendants of said swindled Maori appears to
be considered irrelevant today.
Bill.
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