• Something prepared earlier . . .

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 00:01:34 2023
    Good thinking from Luxon - propose to do a whole lot of things that
    have already been done, some by Labour recently . . . Do they know
    what they are talking about?

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/et-voila-heres-something-someone-prepared-a-little-earlier?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 07:55:33 2023
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 00:01:34 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Good thinking from Luxon - propose to do a whole lot of things that
    have already been done, some by Labour recently . . . Do they know
    what they are talking about?

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/et-voila-heres-something-someone-prepared-a-little-earlier?

    You cant have it both ways Rich. You criticise Luxon for opposition
    to Labour for the sake of it, then criticise him when he keeps the
    Water Quality Regulator. The significance of the Water Infrastructure
    Manager and ring-fenced water revenue is not mentioned.

    Yet again previous National governments are criticised for doing
    nothing, ignoring previous Labour governments that also did nothing.
    When Labour did do something they never signaled it as policy prior to
    an election but sprung it on us as only a majority government can do.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 08:37:11 2023
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 07:55:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 00:01:34 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Good thinking from Luxon - propose to do a whole lot of things that
    have already been done, some by Labour recently . . . Do they know
    what they are talking about?
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/et-voila-heres-something-someone-prepared-a-little-earlier?

    You cant have it both ways Rich. You criticise Luxon for opposition
    to Labour for the sake of it, then criticise him when he keeps the
    Water Quality Regulator. The significance of the Water Infrastructure >Manager and ring-fenced water revenue is not mentioned.

    Yet again previous National governments are criticised for doing
    nothing, ignoring previous Labour governments that also did nothing.
    When Labour did do something they never signaled it as policy prior to
    an election but sprung it on us as only a majority government can do.

    I disagree with you on this issue, as I have expressed prevopusly. No government is restricted to actions that have been signalled in an
    election campaign. They are elected based on more than is ever
    possible to include in election discussions. Part of that is obvious -
    no-one expected to predict the future. I posted above on regulatory
    chnges that I had not been aware of - but which very surprisingly,
    apparently the Opposition was also not aware of!. I do not avidly
    follow the detail of what happens across government; I would expect an opposition to be aware. In the same sort of thing I was surprised to
    hear did hear of people coming from overseas to look at our emergency
    response to the cyclones; there was a comment that NZ was regarded as
    a world leader in the changes that had been made in developing NEMA -
    I was just not aware of those developments, but clearly good work had
    happened - and possibly something similar would have happened under a
    National government or a coalition government - but none of it
    featured in an election campaign. We elect on reptation and trust as
    well as on stated policies. Not signalling the flag referendum was not
    what was complained about when the Key Government decided to have it -
    it was the waste of money it invovled and the way it was put together
    that angered a lot of people.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 28 14:06:14 2023
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:38:15 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 07:55:33 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 00:01:34 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Good thinking from Luxon - propose to do a whole lot of things that
    have already been done, some by Labour recently . . . Do they know
    what they are talking about?
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/et-voila-heres-something-someone-prepared-a-little-earlier?

    You cant have it both ways Rich. You criticise Luxon for opposition
    to Labour for the sake of it, then criticise him when he keeps the
    Water Quality Regulator. The significance of the Water Infrastructure >Manager and ring-fenced water revenue is not mentioned.

    Yet again previous National governments are criticised for doing
    nothing, ignoring previous Labour governments that also did nothing.
    When Labour did do something they never signaled it as policy prior to
    an election but sprung it on us as only a majority government can do.
    I disagree with you on this issue, as I have expressed prevopusly. No government is restricted to actions that have been signalled in an
    election campaign. They are elected based on more than is ever
    possible to include in election discussions. Part of that is obvious - no-one expected to predict the future. I posted above on regulatory
    chnges that I had not been aware of - but which very surprisingly, apparently the Opposition was also not aware of!. I do not avidly
    follow the detail of what happens across government; I would expect an opposition to be aware. In the same sort of thing I was surprised to
    hear did hear of people coming from overseas to look at our emergency response to the cyclones; there was a comment that NZ was regarded as
    a world leader in the changes that had been made in developing NEMA -
    I was just not aware of those developments, but clearly good work had happened - and possibly something similar would have happened under a National government or a coalition government - but none of it
    featured in an election campaign. We elect on reptation and trust as
    well as on stated policies. Not signalling the flag referendum was not
    what was complained about when the Key Government decided to have it -
    it was the waste of money it invovled and the way it was put together
    that angered a lot of people.
    Good fucking grief Rich! Do something about your political bias ffs! While your at it get a bloody spell checker so your political rants are easier to follow. You sound like the sort of imbecile covering for Putins war agains the Ukraine a lot of bombast
    a fuck all truth:)

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 28 14:03:01 2023
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 12:02:36 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    Good thinking from Luxon - propose to do a whole lot of things that
    have already been done, some by Labour recently . . . Do they know
    what they are talking about?

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/et-voila-heres-something-someone-prepared-a-little-earlier?

    It's called karma sucks Rich. Remember all the claims Labour made of progress on KiwiBuild in the first years before Labour wailed it was impossible? All of which had been started by National.

    Now stop your grizzling and political bullshit1 Most are sick of you lying to support the most useless government in NZ history:)

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Crash on Tue Feb 28 23:47:28 2023
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.newsroom.co.nz/et-voila-heres-something-someone-prepared-a-little-earlier?

    You cant have it both ways Rich. You criticise Luxon for opposition
    to Labour for the sake of it, then criticise him when he keeps the
    Water Quality Regulator. The significance of the Water Infrastructure >Manager and ring-fenced water revenue is not mentioned.

    I agree with Rich, Luxon should not keep any of the Labour
    initiatives. National is useless to do so, they just bed in Labour
    policies as they have been doing for decades. With an opposition like
    that, who needs supporters?

    Who needs more bureaucrats, more overseeing bodies? Throw the rascals
    out, all of them. Here's a quick fix for the NZ labour shortage: fire
    half of government bureaucrats and they can go work for private
    industry doing something actually productive. Abolish the income tax
    and fire the entire IRD -- government can print money to pay its
    bills, that way there is no increasing national debt either -- no debt
    at all, actually.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 14:00:49 2023
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 08:37:11 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 07:55:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 00:01:34 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    Good thinking from Luxon - propose to do a whole lot of things that
    have already been done, some by Labour recently . . . Do they know
    what they are talking about?
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/et-voila-heres-something-someone-prepared-a-little-earlier?

    You cant have it both ways Rich. You criticise Luxon for opposition
    to Labour for the sake of it, then criticise him when he keeps the
    Water Quality Regulator. The significance of the Water Infrastructure >>Manager and ring-fenced water revenue is not mentioned.

    Yet again previous National governments are criticised for doing
    nothing, ignoring previous Labour governments that also did nothing.
    When Labour did do something they never signaled it as policy prior to
    an election but sprung it on us as only a majority government can do.

    I disagree with you on this issue, as I have expressed prevopusly. No >government is restricted to actions that have been signalled in an
    election campaign.

    You are correct - but they must suffer the consequences if the reforms
    they enact are deeply unpopular. This is what has happened with he
    water reforms. The reforms initiated by the Lange/Douglas government
    elected in 1984 were a contrast with that government being re-elected
    in 1987.

    They are elected based on more than is ever
    possible to include in election discussions. Part of that is obvious -
    no-one expected to predict the future.

    Correct but the need for changes to the way our local authorities
    deliver 3-waters is long evident. The Water reforms were an
    unannounced approach to a long-standing issue.

    I posted above on regulatory
    chnges that I had not been aware of - but which very surprisingly,
    apparently the Opposition was also not aware of!. I do not avidly
    follow the detail of what happens across government; I would expect an >opposition to be aware. In the same sort of thing I was surprised to
    hear did hear of people coming from overseas to look at our emergency >response to the cyclones; there was a comment that NZ was regarded as
    a world leader in the changes that had been made in developing NEMA -
    I was just not aware of those developments, but clearly good work had >happened - and possibly something similar would have happened under a >National government or a coalition government - but none of it
    featured in an election campaign. We elect on reptation and trust as
    well as on stated policies.

    That is correct in part - everything you identify is a
    business-as-usual response to unexpected disasters, so there is
    nothing in common with the water reforms.

    Not signalling the flag referendum was not
    what was complained about when the Key Government decided to have it -
    it was the waste of money it invovled and the way it was put together
    that angered a lot of people.

    Quite where this fits into a debate on National's water policy I don't
    know. However a referendum is not anywhere close to the same impact
    as legislated changes. National did signal their intent prior to the
    2014 election, and carried out the referenda after being re-elected.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%932016_New_Zealand_flag_referendums

    Keep digging Rich - you are making more of a fool of yourself with
    every post.




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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Wed Mar 1 07:56:07 2023
    On 2023-02-28, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.newsroom.co.nz/et-voila-heres-something-someone-prepared-a-little-earlier?

    You cant have it both ways Rich. You criticise Luxon for opposition
    to Labour for the sake of it, then criticise him when he keeps the
    Water Quality Regulator. The significance of the Water Infrastructure >>Manager and ring-fenced water revenue is not mentioned.

    I agree with Rich, Luxon should not keep any of the Labour
    initiatives. National is useless to do so, they just bed in Labour
    policies as they have been doing for decades. With an opposition like
    that, who needs supporters?

    There are separate points

    1) The big is better, true of false
    2) The local Councils have not been looking after the 3 waters
    3) How to fix the problem?
    4) The proposed way is only an option which the country dislikes intently.

    It is the co-governance and reorganisation which is the main issue, along
    with how it was produced.




    Who needs more bureaucrats, more overseeing bodies? Throw the rascals
    out, all of them. Here's a quick fix for the NZ labour shortage: fire
    half of government bureaucrats and they can go work for private
    industry doing something actually productive. Abolish the income tax
    and fire the entire IRD -- government can print money to pay its
    bills, that way there is no increasing national debt either -- no debt
    at all, actually.


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