Seems Hipkins has better leadership skills than his predecessor :)

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/health-nz-chair-rob-campbell-sacked-hits-back-calling-it-an-overreaction/ar-AA181gpo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6dd4ed56957548f6c635b90ae3a206c3&ei=5

Oh and Rich it's certainly not an overreaction unless your a unionist with delusions of worth...

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 20:59:19 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems Hipkins has better leadership skills than his predecessor :)

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/health-nz-chair-rob-campbell-sacked-hits-back-calling-it-an-overreaction/ar-AA181gpo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6dd4ed56957548f6c635b90ae3a206c3&ei=5

Oh and Rich it's certainly not an overreaction unless your a unionist with delusions of worth...

While it may seem strange to some, I consider this to be an indication
that Labour have some balls. Campbell publicly and without
provocation demonstrated his failure to understand what the political neutrality he signed up for with his position at HNZ was, and either
Dr Verrall or Mr Hipkins called his bluff as they should. The only
issue now is what the golden handshake was - Labour would further
enhance their standing if there was none.

I can see what is coming - what past National governments may or may
not have done is irrelevant and off-topic. This is all about Campbell
and Labour.


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On 2023-02-28, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems Hipkins has better leadership skills than his predecessor :)

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/health-nz-chair-rob-campbell-sacked-hits-back-calling-it-an-overreaction/ar-AA181gpo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6dd4ed56957548f6c635b90ae3a206c3&ei=5

Oh and Rich it's certainly not an overreaction unless your a unionist with delusions of worth...

Job Done Good. Now we can reflect how it has been said in this ng that
Labour does not make people responsible for their actions caomapsrted to National for example.

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On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:06:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 20:59:19 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems Hipkins has better leadership skills than his predecessor :)

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/health-nz-chair-rob-campbell-sacked-hits-back-calling-it-an-overreaction/ar-AA181gpo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6dd4ed56957548f6c635b90ae3a206c3&ei=5

Oh and Rich it's certainly not an overreaction unless your a unionist with delusions of worth...

While it may seem strange to some, I consider this to be an indication
that Labour have some balls. Campbell publicly and without
provocation demonstrated his failure to understand what the political >neutrality he signed up for with his position at HNZ was, and either
Dr Verrall or Mr Hipkins called his bluff as they should. The only
issue now is what the golden handshake was - Labour would further
enhance their standing if there was none.

As I have said before, I suspect his position with Environmental
Protection was more relevant than that of Health - and while it is
also true that he wrongly made himself the political news and
embarrassed his Ministers, it is still relevant that what he said was
a legitimate criticism of National's proposals. He gave an opening for
National and its dirty tricks brigade to create a political storm; so
he had to go. I well remember the instructions to some heads of
Department under National - they were to accept cuts to budgets
without complaint, they were to tell the public that the cuts would
not affect services, and they would ensure that nothing negative
relating to their department ever got into the press. It was of course
blatant bullying, and they managed in that way to get a few
resignations with the new appointees beng very clear that they did not
work for New Zealand, they worked for the National-led government.

Also of interest is that the National party false front of the "Free
Speech Union" made no public comments on this case, despite the
"principles' that they cynically tout on their website. Tellingly, the
Nat-bot posters to nz.general saw no value in those principles
themselves - they took a stright forward highly authoritarian view
that "what the boss says goes." Even ACT, who espouse libertarianism,
put politics before principle and made no objection to the
vilification through the press - they too put politics before their
so-called 'principles.'

On the plus side for National and its followers, they did claim a
scalp of someone who called their shitty plans for water for what they
were - an Opposition can have small wins, but the way they achieved
this one has also scarred their reputation; I presict they will see
little movement in polls as a result.

I can see what is coming - what past National governments may or may
not have done is irrelevant and off-topic. This is all about Campbell
and Labour.

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On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 11:03:28 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:06:12 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 20:59:19 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems Hipkins has better leadership skills than his predecessor :)

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/health-nz-chair-rob-campbell-sacked-hits-back-calling-it-an-overreaction/ar-AA181gpo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6dd4ed56957548f6c635b90ae3a206c3&ei=5

Oh and Rich it's certainly not an overreaction unless your a unionist with delusions of worth...

While it may seem strange to some, I consider this to be an indication >that Labour have some balls. Campbell publicly and without
provocation demonstrated his failure to understand what the political >neutrality he signed up for with his position at HNZ was, and either
Dr Verrall or Mr Hipkins called his bluff as they should. The only
issue now is what the golden handshake was - Labour would further
enhance their standing if there was none.

As I have said before, I suspect his position with Environmental
Protection was more relevant than that of Health - and while it is
also true that he wrongly made himself the political news and
embarrassed his Ministers, it is still relevant that what he said was
a legitimate criticism of National's proposals. He gave an opening for National and its dirty tricks brigade to create a political storm; so
he had to go. I well remember the instructions to some heads of
Department under National - they were to accept cuts to budgets
without complaint, they were to tell the public that the cuts would
not affect services, and they would ensure that nothing negative
relating to their department ever got into the press. It was of course blatant bullying, and they managed in that way to get a few
resignations with the new appointees beng very clear that they did not
work for New Zealand, they worked for the National-led government.

Also of interest is that the National party false front of the "Free
Speech Union" made no public comments on this case, despite the
"principles' that they cynically tout on their website. Tellingly, the Nat-bot posters to nz.general saw no value in those principles
themselves - they took a stright forward highly authoritarian view
that "what the boss says goes." Even ACT, who espouse libertarianism,
put politics before principle and made no objection to the
vilification through the press - they too put politics before their so-called 'principles.'

The case didn't have anything to interest the Free Speech Union Rich. It wasn't a case of freedom of speech. It was a case of some stupid unionist thinking he didn't have to obey the rules!

On the plus side for National and its followers, they did claim a
scalp of someone who called their shitty plans for water for what they
were - an Opposition can have small wins, but the way they achieved
this one has also scarred their reputation; I presict they will see
little movement in polls as a result.

I can see what is coming - what past National governments may or may
not have done is irrelevant and off-topic. This is all about Campbell
and Labour.

Your bleating and lies don't change a thing Rich! Campbell broke the rules and suffered the consequences. It's good to see that Hipkins isn't following Labours past response to Labour rule breakers.

As usual you display a total lack of comprehension about the whole issue and as usual show your political bia..

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On Tuesday, 28 February 2023 at 23:03:28 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:06:12 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 20:59:19 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems Hipkins has better leadership skills than his predecessor :)

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/health-nz-chair-rob-campbell-sacked-hits-back-calling-it-an-overreaction/ar-AA181gpo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6dd4ed56957548f6c635b90ae3a206c3&ei=5

Oh and Rich it's certainly not an overreaction unless your a unionist with delusions of worth...

While it may seem strange to some, I consider this to be an indication >that Labour have some balls. Campbell publicly and without
provocation demonstrated his failure to understand what the political >neutrality he signed up for with his position at HNZ was, and either
Dr Verrall or Mr Hipkins called his bluff as they should. The only
issue now is what the golden handshake was - Labour would further
enhance their standing if there was none.

As I have said before, I suspect his position with Environmental
Protection was more relevant than that of Health - and while it is

Don't be a twit. Health is a far bigger department than Environmental Protection - it's $30billion and tens of thousands of staff.

Oh, and he's about to be shit-canned out of that one as well. Good job. The pubic service has been polluted with Labour jobs-for-the-boys over the last 5 years and needs cleaning up and return to a proper politically neutral posture.

also true that he wrongly made himself the political news and
embarrassed his Ministers, it is still relevant that what he said was
a legitimate criticism of National's proposals. He gave an opening for

Whether it was legitimate criticism is entirely irrelevant. He can have his political leanings expressed via free speech as a non public servant, or he can keep it to himself if he wishes to remain in the public service. Just like every other senior
public servant.

National and its dirty tricks brigade to create a political storm; so
he had to go. I well remember the instructions to some heads of
Department under National - they were to accept cuts to budgets
without complaint, they were to tell the public that the cuts would
not affect services, and they would ensure that nothing negative
relating to their department ever got into the press. It was of course blatant bullying, and they managed in that way to get a few
resignations with the new appointees beng very clear that they did not
work for New Zealand, they worked for the National-led government.

Also of interest is that the National party false front of the "Free
Speech Union" made no public comments on this case, despite the
"principles' that they cynically tout on their website. Tellingly, the Nat-bot posters to nz.general saw no value in those principles
themselves - they took a stright forward highly authoritarian view
that "what the boss says goes." Even ACT, who espouse libertarianism,
put politics before principle and made no objection to the
vilification through the press - they too put politics before their so-called 'principles.'

On the plus side for National and its followers, they did claim a
scalp of someone who called their shitty plans for water for what they
were - an Opposition can have small wins, but the way they achieved
this one has also scarred their reputation; I presict they will see
little movement in polls as a result.

I can see what is coming - what past National governments may or may
not have done is irrelevant and off-topic. This is all about Campbell
and Labour.

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