https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoonsThe only lesson for the future Rich is that you'll continue to post political bullshit and lies! Now THAT_IS_A_FACT!
How fast policy changes from National!
Day 1. We will help Councils with long term finding, which will be
repaid through rate levies or water charges.
Day 2. Rates will not increase while National is in Government
So what does the past tell us: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tiny-councils-debt-at-100m/ZHOUA6WSCP7DU6TZCXRVKEUPXU/
and a few years later https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaipara_District#cite_note-11 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-district-council-gets-vote-of-confidence-from-crown-manager/ERDAHJ7RHOYDHXQA2XYI2FGD74/
So the lesson for the future is:
If National are elected, get your Council to borrow hugely to get the
best water systems you can buy - National will sack the Council,
appoint a manager, and the next Labour / NZ First Government will fix
it all up (NZ First used the Regional Development Fund and Labour took
some from the National Land Transport Fund - but Kaipara got th
capital works (Roads, streetlights and a stormwater nad flood
reduction project). Such is the foresight of National . . .
Better yet, don't elect a National Government.
The big picture is that National will do anything to get the top tax
rate down. They ignore the reality that the highest effective tax
rates are being paid by workers who are on a benefit that reduces as
their pay increases - effectively more than half a pay rise can
disappear in higher tax - but National don;t care about that - they
just want that top tax rate gone.
To go back to 3Waters, the need for capital is clearly evident around
New Zealand. When NZ developed an electricity system, the big capital
cost was met by central government - and the charging system to users
was based on the same rate for all (that got mixed up a bit with the smelter, but generally it still applies). Contrast that with what
would have happened had the current National Party held sway - people
in Sountland would pay nothing for electricity - the excess
electricity from hydro stations in their region would be sold to the
north, who would have had to pay more. Would you want to live in
Auckland under that sort of a system for electricity and yes also
water?
Poor Luxon - National must look back and ask why did Muller have to
go? Will they bring back Crusher Collins?
How fast policy changes from National!What an idiot you are if you think any of the tripe above will convince even the dumbest person to vote Labour.
Day 1. We will help Councils with long term finding, which will be
repaid through rate levies or water charges.
Day 2. Rates will not increase while National is in Government
So what does the past tell us: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tiny-councils-debt-at-100m/ZHOUA6WSCP7DU6TZCXRVKEUPXU/
and a few years later >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaipara_District#cite_note-11 >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-district-council-gets-vote-of-confidence-from-crown-manager/ERDAHJ7RHOYDHXQA2XYI2FGD74/
So the lesson for the future is:
If National are elected, get your Council to borrow hugely to get the
best water systems you can buy - National will sack the Council,
appoint a manager, and the next Labour / NZ First Government will fix
it all up (NZ First used the Regional Development Fund and Labour took
some from the National Land Transport Fund - but Kaipara got th
capital works (Roads, streetlights and a stormwater nad flood
reduction project). Such is the foresight of National . . .
Better yet, don't elect a National Government.
The big picture is that National will do anything to get the top tax
rate down. They ignore the reality that the highest effective tax
rates are being paid by workers who are on a benefit that reduces as
their pay increases - effectively more than half a pay rise can
disappear in higher tax - but National don;t care about that - they
just want that top tax rate gone.
To go back to 3Waters, the need for capital is clearly evident around
New Zealand. When NZ developed an electricity system, the big capital
cost was met by central government - and the charging system to users
was based on the same rate for all (that got mixed up a bit with the
smelter, but generally it still applies). Contrast that with what
would have happened had the current National Party held sway - people
in Sountland would pay nothing for electricity - the excess
electricity from hydro stations in their region would be sold to the
north, who would have had to pay more. Would you want to live in
Auckland under that sort of a system for electricity and yes also
water?
Poor Luxon - National must look back and ask why did Muller have to
go? Will they bring back Crusher Collins?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoons
How fast policy changes from National!
Day 1. We will help Councils with long term finding, which will be
repaid through rate levies or water charges.
Day 2. Rates will not increase while National is in Government
So what does the past tell us: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tiny-councils-debt-at-100m/ZHOUA6WSCP7DU6TZCXRVKEUPXU/
and a few years later >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaipara_District#cite_note-11 >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-district-council-gets-vote-of-confidence-from-crown-manager/ERDAHJ7RHOYDHXQA2XYI2FGD74/
So the lesson for the future is:
If National are elected, get your Council to borrow hugely to get the
best water systems you can buy - National will sack the Council,
appoint a manager, and the next Labour / NZ First Government will fix
it all up (NZ First used the Regional Development Fund and Labour took
some from the National Land Transport Fund - but Kaipara got th
capital works (Roads, streetlights and a stormwater nad flood
reduction project). Such is the foresight of National . . .
Better yet, don't elect a National Government.
The big picture is that National will do anything to get the top tax
rate down. They ignore the reality that the highest effective tax
rates are being paid by workers who are on a benefit that reduces as
their pay increases - effectively more than half a pay rise can
disappear in higher tax - but National don;t care about that - they
just want that top tax rate gone.
To go back to 3Waters, the need for capital is clearly evident around
New Zealand. When NZ developed an electricity system, the big capital
cost was met by central government - and the charging system to users
was based on the same rate for all (that got mixed up a bit with the
smelter, but generally it still applies). Contrast that with what
would have happened had the current National Party held sway - people
in Sountland would pay nothing for electricity - the excess
electricity from hydro stations in their region would be sold to the
north, who would have had to pay more. Would you want to live in
Auckland under that sort of a system for electricity and yes also
water?
Poor Luxon - National must look back and ask why did Muller have to
go? Will they bring back Crusher Collins?
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 10:34:43 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoons
How fast policy changes from National!
Day 1. We will help Councils with long term finding, which will be
repaid through rate levies or water charges.
Day 2. Rates will not increase while National is in Government
So what does the past tell us: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tiny-councils-debt-at-100m/ZHOUA6WSCP7DU6TZCXRVKEUPXU/
and a few years later >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaipara_District#cite_note-11 >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-district-council-gets-vote-of-confidence-from-crown-manager/ERDAHJ7RHOYDHXQA2XYI2FGD74/
So the lesson for the future is:
If National are elected, get your Council to borrow hugely to get the
best water systems you can buy - National will sack the Council,
appoint a manager, and the next Labour / NZ First Government will fix
it all up (NZ First used the Regional Development Fund and Labour took
some from the National Land Transport Fund - but Kaipara got th
capital works (Roads, streetlights and a stormwater nad flood
reduction project). Such is the foresight of National . . .
Better yet, don't elect a National Government.
The big picture is that National will do anything to get the top tax
rate down. They ignore the reality that the highest effective tax
rates are being paid by workers who are on a benefit that reduces as
their pay increases - effectively more than half a pay rise can
disappear in higher tax - but National don;t care about that - they
just want that top tax rate gone.
To go back to 3Waters, the need for capital is clearly evident around
New Zealand. When NZ developed an electricity system, the big capital
cost was met by central government - and the charging system to users
was based on the same rate for all (that got mixed up a bit with the >>smelter, but generally it still applies). Contrast that with what
would have happened had the current National Party held sway - people
in Sountland would pay nothing for electricity - the excess
electricity from hydro stations in their region would be sold to the
north, who would have had to pay more. Would you want to live in
Auckland under that sort of a system for electricity and yes also
water?
Poor Luxon - National must look back and ask why did Muller have to
go? Will they bring back Crusher Collins?
So Rich your post is to speculate on the outcome of National's plan.
Ergo there is nothing wrong with that plan but careful attention will
need to be focused on these areas when National get the chance to
implement it.
Let me be very clear on the major difference that you can never
counter:
- With Labour Water Entities are governed by appointed directors (half
of them iwi-appointed) with no specified performance requirements
other than water quality standards.
- With National water assets are governed by the local bodies that ownThose dedicated regulatory controls are the same as the specified waer
them, but with increased dedicated regulatory control for both water
quality standards and asset maintenance standards.
You simply cannot find fault with water assets remaining under the
control of the current owners with assistance on an as-needed basis
and the imposition of regulators. You can speculate about rate and
water costs rising because of Nationals plan but that same speculation
also applies to each Water Entity but with no ballot-box fallout.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoons
How fast policy changes from National!
Day 1. We will help Councils with long term finding, which will be
repaid through rate levies or water charges.
Day 2. Rates will not increase while National is in Government
So what does the past tell us: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tiny-councils-debt-at-100m/ZHOUA6WSCP7DU6TZCXRVKEUPXU/
and a few years later https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaipara_District#cite_note-11 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-district-council-gets-vote-of-confidence-from-crown-manager/ERDAHJ7RHOYDHXQA2XYI2FGD74/
So the lesson for the future is:
If National are elected, get your Council to borrow hugely to get the
best water systems you can buy - National will sack the Council,
appoint a manager, and the next Labour / NZ First Government will fix
it all up (NZ First used the Regional Development Fund and Labour took
some from the National Land Transport Fund - but Kaipara got th
capital works (Roads, streetlights and a stormwater nad flood
reduction project). Such is the foresight of National . . .
Better yet, don't elect a National Government.
The big picture is that National will do anything to get the top tax
rate down. They ignore the reality that the highest effective tax
rates are being paid by workers who are on a benefit that reduces as
their pay increases - effectively more than half a pay rise can
disappear in higher tax - but National don;t care about that - they
just want that top tax rate gone.
To go back to 3Waters, the need for capital is clearly evident around
New Zealand. When NZ developed an electricity system, the big capital
cost was met by central government - and the charging system to users
was based on the same rate for all (that got mixed up a bit with the
smelter, but generally it still applies). Contrast that with what
would have happened had the current National Party held sway - people
in Sountland would pay nothing for electricity - the excess
electricity from hydro stations in their region would be sold to the
north, who would have had to pay more. Would you want to live in
Auckland under that sort of a system for electricity and yes also
water?
Poor Luxon - National must look back and ask why did Muller have to
go? Will they bring back Crusher Collins?
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:07:49 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 10:34:43 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoons
How fast policy changes from National!
Day 1. We will help Councils with long term finding, which will be
repaid through rate levies or water charges.
Day 2. Rates will not increase while National is in Government
So what does the past tell us: >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tiny-councils-debt-at-100m/ZHOUA6WSCP7DU6TZCXRVKEUPXU/
and a few years later >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaipara_District#cite_note-11 >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-district-council-gets-vote-of-confidence-from-crown-manager/ERDAHJ7RHOYDHXQA2XYI2FGD74/
So the lesson for the future is:
If National are elected, get your Council to borrow hugely to get the >>>best water systems you can buy - National will sack the Council,
appoint a manager, and the next Labour / NZ First Government will fix
it all up (NZ First used the Regional Development Fund and Labour took >>>some from the National Land Transport Fund - but Kaipara got th
capital works (Roads, streetlights and a stormwater nad flood
reduction project). Such is the foresight of National . . .
Better yet, don't elect a National Government.
The big picture is that National will do anything to get the top tax
rate down. They ignore the reality that the highest effective tax
rates are being paid by workers who are on a benefit that reduces as >>>their pay increases - effectively more than half a pay rise can
disappear in higher tax - but National don;t care about that - they
just want that top tax rate gone.
To go back to 3Waters, the need for capital is clearly evident around
New Zealand. When NZ developed an electricity system, the big capital >>>cost was met by central government - and the charging system to users
was based on the same rate for all (that got mixed up a bit with the >>>smelter, but generally it still applies). Contrast that with what
would have happened had the current National Party held sway - people
in Sountland would pay nothing for electricity - the excess
electricity from hydro stations in their region would be sold to the >>>north, who would have had to pay more. Would you want to live in
Auckland under that sort of a system for electricity and yes also
water?
Poor Luxon - National must look back and ask why did Muller have to
go? Will they bring back Crusher Collins?
So Rich your post is to speculate on the outcome of National's plan.
Ergo there is nothing wrong with that plan but careful attention will
need to be focused on these areas when National get the chance to
implement it.
Let me be very clear on the major difference that you can never
counter:
- With Labour Water Entities are governed by appointed directors (half
of them iwi-appointed) with no specified performance requirements
other than water quality standards.
Those water quality standards are there now, and we know that they are
not currently being met - or enforced.
- With National water assets are governed by the local bodies that own >>them, but with increased dedicated regulatory control for both water >>quality standards and asset maintenance standards.Those dedicated regulatory controls are the same as the specified waer >quality standards. They are not currently being met - or enforced.
You simply cannot find fault with water assets remaining under the
control of the current owners with assistance on an as-needed basis
and the imposition of regulators. You can speculate about rate and
water costs rising because of Nationals plan but that same speculation
also applies to each Water Entity but with no ballot-box fallout.
We do have a statement from National this morning that rates will not >increase as a result of their plan. Clearly the ''assistance as
needed" is of significant value - but how will a National Government
deliver on that promise? I referred to the Kaipara Council issue in
the previous post. Getting something for nothing sounds good, but do
you believe the National spokesperson? (See the first url in my post
above).
Essentially the difference is that National want a fragmented system
that would make life very difficult for smaller entities that cannot
afford even expert advice, let alone the cost of works required.
A
larger organisation (in effect similar to the Auckland and Wellington
large water organisations) have the economies of scale to address a
number of issues at once, using the same expertise, equipment and
workers.
The biggest difference is however that Labour''s proposals will spread
costs much more widely - there will not be small councils (Like the
Kaipara Council) that are left unable to afford what is needed.
In a post a few days ago I identified some of the farmers in
Canterbury that are outside any current water authority - have we
heard anything from those people who have never been required to meet
water standards? Indeed National disbanded the democratically elected
ECANZ organisation to prevent them from addressing that issue. I
wonder what they think of National now deciding to enforce water
standards requiring htem to raise further capital finding - even with
the assistance of National . . .?
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:07:49 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 10:34:43 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoons
How fast policy changes from National!
Day 1. We will help Councils with long term finding, which will be >>repaid through rate levies or water charges.
Day 2. Rates will not increase while National is in Government
So what does the past tell us: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tiny-councils-debt-at-100m/ZHOUA6WSCP7DU6TZCXRVKEUPXU/
and a few years later >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaipara_District#cite_note-11 >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-district-council-gets-vote-of-confidence-from-crown-manager/ERDAHJ7RHOYDHXQA2XYI2FGD74/
So the lesson for the future is:
If National are elected, get your Council to borrow hugely to get the >>best water systems you can buy - National will sack the Council,
appoint a manager, and the next Labour / NZ First Government will fix
it all up (NZ First used the Regional Development Fund and Labour took >>some from the National Land Transport Fund - but Kaipara got th
capital works (Roads, streetlights and a stormwater nad flood
reduction project). Such is the foresight of National . . .
Better yet, don't elect a National Government.
The big picture is that National will do anything to get the top tax >>rate down. They ignore the reality that the highest effective tax
rates are being paid by workers who are on a benefit that reduces as >>their pay increases - effectively more than half a pay rise can >>disappear in higher tax - but National don;t care about that - they
just want that top tax rate gone.
To go back to 3Waters, the need for capital is clearly evident around >>New Zealand. When NZ developed an electricity system, the big capital >>cost was met by central government - and the charging system to users >>was based on the same rate for all (that got mixed up a bit with the >>smelter, but generally it still applies). Contrast that with what
would have happened had the current National Party held sway - people
in Sountland would pay nothing for electricity - the excess
electricity from hydro stations in their region would be sold to the >>north, who would have had to pay more. Would you want to live in >>Auckland under that sort of a system for electricity and yes also
water?
Poor Luxon - National must look back and ask why did Muller have to
go? Will they bring back Crusher Collins?
So Rich your post is to speculate on the outcome of National's plan.
Ergo there is nothing wrong with that plan but careful attention will
need to be focused on these areas when National get the chance to >implement it.
Let me be very clear on the major difference that you can never
counter:
- With Labour Water Entities are governed by appointed directors (halfThose water quality standards are there now, and we know that they are
of them iwi-appointed) with no specified performance requirements
other than water quality standards.
not currently being met - or enforced.
- With National water assets are governed by the local bodies that own >them, but with increased dedicated regulatory control for both water >quality standards and asset maintenance standards.Those dedicated regulatory controls are the same as the specified waer quality standards. They are not currently being met - or enforced.
You simply cannot find fault with water assets remaining under theWe do have a statement from National this morning that rates will not increase as a result of their plan. Clearly the ''assistance as
control of the current owners with assistance on an as-needed basis
and the imposition of regulators. You can speculate about rate and
water costs rising because of Nationals plan but that same speculation >also applies to each Water Entity but with no ballot-box fallout.
needed" is of significant value - but how will a National Government
deliver on that promise? I referred to the Kaipara Council issue in
the previous post. Getting something for nothing sounds good, but do
you believe the National spokesperson? (See the first url in my post
above).
Essentially the difference is that National want a fragmented system
that would make life very difficult for smaller entities that cannot
afford even expert advice, let alone the cost of works required. A
larger organisation (in effect similar to the Auckland and Wellington
large water organisations) have the economies of scale to address a
number of issues at once, using the same expertise, equipment and
workers.
The biggest difference is however that Labour''s proposals will spread
costs much more widely - there will not be small councils (Like the
Kaipara Council) that are left unable to afford what is needed.
In a post a few days ago I identified some of the farmers in
Canterbury that are outside any current water authority - have we
heard anything from those people who have never been required to meet
water standards? Indeed National disbanded the democratically elected
ECANZ organisation to prevent them from addressing that issue. I
wonder what they think of National now deciding to enforce water
standards requiring htem to raise further capital finding - even with
the assistance of National . . .?
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