https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it
wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting itWhat bullshit - can you even read?
wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other
spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:43:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspendFrom that article:
What bullshit - can you even read?
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it >>wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other >>spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have got it
worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such childish lies.
If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break your >nose.
"Instead, he stated the obvious: that if the Government borrows up big
to spend on the cyclone recovery it will pump new cash into the
economy.
That, in turn, will make his job harder.
Ergo, too much borrowing could mean more interest rate hikes and
higher repayments on household mortgages and business loans.
He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some “reprioritisation” of spending (in other words, to make cuts to redistribute funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for
it, that would make his life easier. "
or from this article: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131304505/tax-or-borrow-labour-and-national-clash-over-cyclone-recovery?rm=a&cx_rm-ctrl=true
"Robertson, who is also the first Cyclone Recovery Minister, faced
questions at select committee and in the House from opposition MPs
about how the Government will pay for the crisis which has caused
serious damage to housing, productive land, businesses and
infrastructure. However, he said no decisions had been made.
“There are people whose homes, whose businesses have been completely devastated. We owe it to them to consider carefully both how much this
is going to cost and how we pay for it,” he said.
Labour promised it wouldn’t bring any new taxes in 2020. But Robertson said he wouldn’t play “political games and do rule in, rule out”."
and later:
"National leader Christopher Luxon said his party would still give
people a tax cut through adjusting the tax thresholds to account for inflation, and would borrow to pay for the flood recovery work."
Here is another report that may make it clearer for you:So who is the government at present Rich? It certainly isn't National which makes your comment just more childish and politically biased bullshit and lies from you Rich! Besides BOTH party's are suggesting borrowing is the answer to the problem. Facts
https://www.politik.co.nz/orr-raise-taxes-or-i-will-raise-interest-rates/
from which:
"Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr could not have been more clear.
If the Government includes raising taxes in its plans to pay for the
Cyclone Gabrielle rebuild, then that will take pressure off him to
raise interest rates.
Twice in his Monetary Policy press conference yesterday, he carefully
stated that position.
“Reprioritisation of current spending and revenue arising through
other alternatives makes the job of monetary policy easier because
it’s redirecting current income rather than creating new cash in the economy,” he said.
And then: “If they (the Government) chose the reprioritisation and
tax increases, then that does mean less increase in aggregate demand;
less monetary policy pressure.”
Orr’s comments came after National Leader Christopher Luxon, Finance spokesperson Nicola Willis and ACT Leader, David Seymour, had all
piled on to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister
Robertson during this year’s first Question Time in Parliament,
claiming that Labour intended to raise taxes.
Robertson, presumably unaware of what Orr was about to say at the
press conference, did not put the possibility that not raising taxes
could lead to higher interest rates to Parliament. Instead, he
insisted the Government had yet to make any decisions. “However, what responsible Governments do in this situation is assess options,’ he
said.
______________
Most of us have two eyes, Tony - it appears you have lost perspective
and gone down a rabbit hole . .
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:43:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
What bullshit - can you even read?
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it >>>wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other >>>spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have got it >>worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such childish lies.
If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break your >>nose.
From that article:
"Instead, he stated the obvious: that if the Government borrows up big
to spend on the cyclone recovery it will pump new cash into the
economy.
That, in turn, will make his job harder.
Ergo, too much borrowing could mean more interest rate hikes and
higher repayments on household mortgages and business loans.
He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >reprioritisation of spending (in other words, to make cuts to
redistribute funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for
it, that would make his life easier. "
or from this article: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131304505/tax-or-borrow-labour-and-national-clash-over-cyclone-recovery?rm=a&cx_rm-ctrl=true
"Robertson, who is also the first Cyclone Recovery Minister, faced
questions at select committee and in the House from opposition MPs
about how the Government will pay for the crisis which has caused
serious damage to housing, productive land, businesses and
infrastructure. However, he said no decisions had been made.
There are people whose homes, whose businesses have been completely >devastated. We owe it to them to consider carefully both how much this
is going to cost and how we pay for it, he said.
Labour promised it wouldnt bring any new taxes in 2020. But Robertson
said he wouldnt play political games and do rule in, rule out."
and later:
"National leader Christopher Luxon said his party would still give
people a tax cut through adjusting the tax thresholds to account for >inflation, and would borrow to pay for the flood recovery work."
Here is another report that may make it clearer for you:You cherry pick and lie like lizard you are.
https://www.politik.co.nz/orr-raise-taxes-or-i-will-raise-interest-rates/
from which:
"Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr could not have been more clear.
If the Government includes raising taxes in its plans to pay for the
Cyclone Gabrielle rebuild, then that will take pressure off him to
raise interest rates.
Twice in his Monetary Policy press conference yesterday, he carefully
stated that position.
Reprioritisation of current spending and revenue arising through
other alternatives makes the job of monetary policy easier because
its redirecting current income rather than creating new cash in the >economy, he said.
And then: If they (the Government) chose the reprioritisation and
tax increases, then that does mean less increase in aggregate demand;
less monetary policy pressure.
Orrs comments came after National Leader Christopher Luxon, Finance >spokesperson Nicola Willis and ACT Leader, David Seymour, had all
piled on to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister
Robertson during this years first Question Time in Parliament,
claiming that Labour intended to raise taxes.
Robertson, presumably unaware of what Orr was about to say at the
press conference, did not put the possibility that not raising taxes
could lead to higher interest rates to Parliament. Instead, he
insisted the Government had yet to make any decisions. However, what >responsible Governments do in this situation is assess options, he
said.
______________
Most of us have two eyes, Tony - it appears you have lost perspective
and gone down a rabbit hole . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it
wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other
spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
What bullshit - can you even read?
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it
wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other >>spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have got it >worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such childish lies. >If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break your >nose.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:43:09 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou cherry pick and lie like lizard you are.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
What bullshit - can you even read?
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it >>>>wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other >>>>spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have got it
worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such childish lies.
If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break your >>>nose.
From that article:
"Instead, he stated the obvious: that if the Government borrows up big
to spend on the cyclone recovery it will pump new cash into the
economy.
That, in turn, will make his job harder.
Ergo, too much borrowing could mean more interest rate hikes and
higher repayments on household mortgages and business loans.
He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >>reprioritisation of spending (in other words, to make cuts to >>redistribute funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for
it, that would make his life easier. "
or from this article: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131304505/tax-or-borrow-labour-and-national-clash-over-cyclone-recovery?rm=a&cx_rm-ctrl=true
"Robertson, who is also the first Cyclone Recovery Minister, faced >>questions at select committee and in the House from opposition MPs
about how the Government will pay for the crisis which has caused
serious damage to housing, productive land, businesses and
infrastructure. However, he said no decisions had been made.
There are people whose homes, whose businesses have been completely >>devastated. We owe it to them to consider carefully both how much this
is going to cost and how we pay for it, he said.
Labour promised it wouldnt bring any new taxes in 2020. But Robertson
said he wouldnt play political games and do rule in, rule out."
and later:
"National leader Christopher Luxon said his party would still give
people a tax cut through adjusting the tax thresholds to account for >>inflation, and would borrow to pay for the flood recovery work."
Here is another report that may make it clearer for you:
https://www.politik.co.nz/orr-raise-taxes-or-i-will-raise-interest-rates/
from which:
"Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr could not have been more clear.
If the Government includes raising taxes in its plans to pay for the >>Cyclone Gabrielle rebuild, then that will take pressure off him to
raise interest rates.
Twice in his Monetary Policy press conference yesterday, he carefully >>stated that position.
Reprioritisation of current spending and revenue arising through
other alternatives makes the job of monetary policy easier because
its redirecting current income rather than creating new cash in the >>economy, he said.
And then: If they (the Government) chose the reprioritisation and
tax increases, then that does mean less increase in aggregate demand;
less monetary policy pressure.
Orrs comments came after National Leader Christopher Luxon, Finance >>spokesperson Nicola Willis and ACT Leader, David Seymour, had all
piled on to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister
Robertson during this years first Question Time in Parliament,
claiming that Labour intended to raise taxes.
Robertson, presumably unaware of what Orr was about to say at the
press conference, did not put the possibility that not raising taxes
could lead to higher interest rates to Parliament. Instead, he
insisted the Government had yet to make any decisions. However, what >>responsible Governments do in this situation is assess options, he
said.
______________
Most of us have two eyes, Tony - it appears you have lost perspective
and gone down a rabbit hole . .
Here are the quotes that support my post.
I have two eyes and you have none.
"He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >reprioritisation of spending (in other words, to make cuts to redistribute >funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for it, that would make >his life easier.
That presents significant challenges for both of the major political parties, >because Orrs point is that more government borrowing and spending simply works
against getting inflation under control."
and
"For the politics of the moment, this will sharpen the difference between >Labour and National. If Labour is to heed the governors advice it will either >have to cut spending or raise taxes, and Finance Minister Grant Robertson has >so far refused to rule out any tax hikes."
and
"In other words, both major parties may now be forced into something they don't
really wish to do.
In an election year Labour probably doesn't really want to raise taxes >(although it may calculate some upside in a limited cyclone-related hike), and >National doesnt really want to show how it would pay for the cyclone or where >it would make any cuts.
The centre-right party is convinced there is plenty of fat and poor quality >spending in Government and there clearly is but actually identifying cuts >creates losers and people could campaign against you."
All of which supports what I wrote. Shove your lies and cherrypicking, one-eyed
marxist garbage where it belongs.
It was a criticism of the government and the opposition you retarded little >turd.
On 2023-02-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it
wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other
spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
Which is the issue.
In the past, and recent past, national disasters were taken as a given and >the Government took responsibilty to help $ wise. It readjusted the cash
flow and the people in the affected area(s) recovered.
Now we have the Reserve Bank saying $20B for Covid relief at a moments >notice, and now the Reserve Bank is suggesting that there might not be
enough maney to pay for the natural disaster.
It is fair to say that most people agree on the principle that they (we) all >need to pay our fair share for the recovery. Next time it might be in your >area.
It is the Government's job to "find" the money for the recovery, as money is >needed for the recovery. It is an investment in the country. Sure the >recovery might hold the inflation rate slightly higher for longer, but the >economy is not going to recovery without money.
During Covid the response was to splash the cash to keep the economy alive. >Rich has told us how successful this was, now it is time to repeat.
The Reserve Bank is starting to sound like a Big bank, not the country's >bank.
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 03:09:43 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou stupid man. I did not say that Orr said that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Somewhwere in that last few paragraphs you stopped quoting and
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:43:09 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou cherry pick and lie like lizard you are.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
What bullshit - can you even read?
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it >>>>>wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other >>>>>spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have got >>>>it
worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such childish >>>>lies.
If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break your >>>>nose.
From that article:
"Instead, he stated the obvious: that if the Government borrows up big
to spend on the cyclone recovery it will pump new cash into the
economy.
That, in turn, will make his job harder.
Ergo, too much borrowing could mean more interest rate hikes and
higher repayments on household mortgages and business loans.
He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >>>reprioritisation of spending (in other words, to make cuts to >>>redistribute funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for >>>it, that would make his life easier. "
or from this article: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131304505/tax-or-borrow-labour-and-national-clash-over-cyclone-recovery?rm=a&cx_rm-ctrl=true
"Robertson, who is also the first Cyclone Recovery Minister, faced >>>questions at select committee and in the House from opposition MPs
about how the Government will pay for the crisis which has caused
serious damage to housing, productive land, businesses and >>>infrastructure. However, he said no decisions had been made.
There are people whose homes, whose businesses have been completely >>>devastated. We owe it to them to consider carefully both how much this
is going to cost and how we pay for it, he said.
Labour promised it wouldnt bring any new taxes in 2020. But Robertson >>>said he wouldnt play political games and do rule in, rule out."
and later:
"National leader Christopher Luxon said his party would still give
people a tax cut through adjusting the tax thresholds to account for >>>inflation, and would borrow to pay for the flood recovery work."
Here is another report that may make it clearer for you:
from which:https://www.politik.co.nz/orr-raise-taxes-or-i-will-raise-interest-rates/ >>>
"Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr could not have been more clear.
If the Government includes raising taxes in its plans to pay for the >>>Cyclone Gabrielle rebuild, then that will take pressure off him to
raise interest rates.
Twice in his Monetary Policy press conference yesterday, he carefully >>>stated that position.
Reprioritisation of current spending and revenue arising through
other alternatives makes the job of monetary policy easier because
its redirecting current income rather than creating new cash in the >>>economy, he said.
And then: If they (the Government) chose the reprioritisation and
tax increases, then that does mean less increase in aggregate demand; >>>less monetary policy pressure.
Orrs comments came after National Leader Christopher Luxon, Finance >>>spokesperson Nicola Willis and ACT Leader, David Seymour, had all
piled on to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister
Robertson during this years first Question Time in Parliament,
claiming that Labour intended to raise taxes.
Robertson, presumably unaware of what Orr was about to say at the
press conference, did not put the possibility that not raising taxes >>>could lead to higher interest rates to Parliament. Instead, he
insisted the Government had yet to make any decisions. However, what >>>responsible Governments do in this situation is assess options, he
said.
______________
Most of us have two eyes, Tony - it appears you have lost perspective
and gone down a rabbit hole . .
Here are the quotes that support my post.
I have two eyes and you have none.
"He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >>reprioritisation of spending (in other words, to make cuts to redistribute >>funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for it, that would make >>his life easier.
That presents significant challenges for both of the major political parties, >>because Orrs point is that more government borrowing and spending simply >>works
against getting inflation under control."
and
"For the politics of the moment, this will sharpen the difference between >>Labour and National. If Labour is to heed the governors advice it will >>either
have to cut spending or raise taxes, and Finance Minister Grant Robertson has >>so far refused to rule out any tax hikes."
and
"In other words, both major parties may now be forced into something they >>don't
really wish to do.
In an election year Labour probably doesn't really want to raise taxes >>(although it may calculate some upside in a limited cyclone-related hike), >>and
National doesnt really want to show how it would pay for the cyclone or >>where
it would make any cuts.
The centre-right party is convinced there is plenty of fat and poor quality >>spending in Government and there clearly is but actually identifying cuts >>creates losers and people could campaign against you."
All of which supports what I wrote. Shove your lies and cherrypicking, >>one-eyed
marxist garbage where it belongs.
It was a criticism of the government and the opposition you retarded little >>turd.
inserted your own views; Orr did not say that there was plenty of fat
and poor quality spending - that is your lie . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As anticipated - no response from rich80105. He either deliberately attacked me by lying aboiut what was posted or he made a mistake and has no integrity.
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 03:09:43 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou stupid man. I did not say that Orr said that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Somewhwere in that last few paragraphs you stopped quoting and
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:43:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You cherry pick and lie like lizard you are.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
What bullshit - can you even read?
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it >>>>>>wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other >>>>>>spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have got >>>>>it
worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such childish >>>>>lies.
If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break >>>>>your
nose.
From that article:
"Instead, he stated the obvious: that if the Government borrows up big >>>>to spend on the cyclone recovery it will pump new cash into the >>>>economy.
That, in turn, will make his job harder.
Ergo, too much borrowing could mean more interest rate hikes and
higher repayments on household mortgages and business loans.
He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >>>>reprioritisation of spending (in other words, to make cuts to >>>>redistribute funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for >>>>it, that would make his life easier. "
or from this article: >>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131304505/tax-or-borrow-labour-and-national-clash-over-cyclone-recovery?rm=a&cx_rm-ctrl=true
"Robertson, who is also the first Cyclone Recovery Minister, faced >>>>questions at select committee and in the House from opposition MPs >>>>about how the Government will pay for the crisis which has caused >>>>serious damage to housing, productive land, businesses and >>>>infrastructure. However, he said no decisions had been made.
There are people whose homes, whose businesses have been completely >>>>devastated. We owe it to them to consider carefully both how much this >>>>is going to cost and how we pay for it, he said.
Labour promised it wouldnt bring any new taxes in 2020. But Robertson >>>>said he wouldnt play political games and do rule in, rule out."
and later:
"National leader Christopher Luxon said his party would still give >>>>people a tax cut through adjusting the tax thresholds to account for >>>>inflation, and would borrow to pay for the flood recovery work."
Here is another report that may make it clearer for you:
from which:https://www.politik.co.nz/orr-raise-taxes-or-i-will-raise-interest-rates/ >>>>
"Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr could not have been more clear.
If the Government includes raising taxes in its plans to pay for the >>>>Cyclone Gabrielle rebuild, then that will take pressure off him to >>>>raise interest rates.
Twice in his Monetary Policy press conference yesterday, he carefully >>>>stated that position.
Reprioritisation of current spending and revenue arising through
other alternatives makes the job of monetary policy easier because
its redirecting current income rather than creating new cash in the >>>>economy, he said.
And then: If they (the Government) chose the reprioritisation and
tax increases, then that does mean less increase in aggregate demand; >>>>less monetary policy pressure.
Orrs comments came after National Leader Christopher Luxon, Finance >>>>spokesperson Nicola Willis and ACT Leader, David Seymour, had all
piled on to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister
Robertson during this years first Question Time in Parliament, >>>>claiming that Labour intended to raise taxes.
Robertson, presumably unaware of what Orr was about to say at the
press conference, did not put the possibility that not raising taxes >>>>could lead to higher interest rates to Parliament. Instead, he
insisted the Government had yet to make any decisions. However, what >>>>responsible Governments do in this situation is assess options, he >>>>said.
______________
Most of us have two eyes, Tony - it appears you have lost perspective >>>>and gone down a rabbit hole . .
Here are the quotes that support my post.
I have two eyes and you have none.
"He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >>>reprioritisation of spending (in other words, to make cuts to redistribute >>>funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for it, that would >>>make
his life easier.
That presents significant challenges for both of the major political >>>parties,
because Orrs point is that more government borrowing and spending simply >>>works
against getting inflation under control."
and
"For the politics of the moment, this will sharpen the difference between >>>Labour and National. If Labour is to heed the governors advice it will >>>either
have to cut spending or raise taxes, and Finance Minister Grant Robertson >>>has
so far refused to rule out any tax hikes."
and
"In other words, both major parties may now be forced into something they >>>don't
really wish to do.
In an election year Labour probably doesn't really want to raise taxes >>>(although it may calculate some upside in a limited cyclone-related hike), >>>and
National doesnt really want to show how it would pay for the cyclone or >>>where
it would make any cuts.
The centre-right party is convinced there is plenty of fat and poor quality >>>spending in Government and there clearly is but actually identifying >>>cuts
creates losers and people could campaign against you."
All of which supports what I wrote. Shove your lies and cherrypicking, >>>one-eyed
marxist garbage where it belongs.
It was a criticism of the government and the opposition you retarded little >>>turd.
inserted your own views; Orr did not say that there was plenty of fat
and poor quality spending - that is your lie . . .
That quote came from the article that YOU POSTED you cretin. And it is in >quotes so that even you could work out that it was a bloody quote.
Piss off you under educated earthworm.
Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:He's just a member of the woke left wing river of filth and like so many of his(?) kind he's to imbecilic to understand that fact!
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:As anticipated - no response from rich80105. He either deliberately attacked me
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 03:09:43 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou stupid man. I did not say that Orr said that.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Somewhwere in that last few paragraphs you stopped quoting and
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:43:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You cherry pick and lie like lizard you are.
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
What bullshit - can you even read?
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it >>>>>>wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other >>>>>>spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have got
it
worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such childish
lies.
If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break >>>>>your
nose.
From that article:
"Instead, he stated the obvious: that if the Government borrows up big >>>>to spend on the cyclone recovery it will pump new cash into the >>>>economy.
That, in turn, will make his job harder.
Ergo, too much borrowing could mean more interest rate hikes and >>>>higher repayments on household mortgages and business loans.
He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >>>>“reprioritisation” of spending (in other words, to make cuts to >>>>redistribute funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for >>>>it, that would make his life easier. "
or from this article: >>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131304505/tax-or-borrow-labour-and-national-clash-over-cyclone-recovery?rm=a&cx_rm-ctrl=true
"Robertson, who is also the first Cyclone Recovery Minister, faced >>>>questions at select committee and in the House from opposition MPs >>>>about how the Government will pay for the crisis which has caused >>>>serious damage to housing, productive land, businesses and >>>>infrastructure. However, he said no decisions had been made.
“There are people whose homes, whose businesses have been completely >>>>devastated. We owe it to them to consider carefully both how much this >>>>is going to cost and how we pay for it,” he said.
Labour promised it wouldn’t bring any new taxes in 2020. But Robertson >>>>said he wouldn’t play “political games and do rule in, rule out”." >>>>
and later:
"National leader Christopher Luxon said his party would still give >>>>people a tax cut through adjusting the tax thresholds to account for >>>>inflation, and would borrow to pay for the flood recovery work."
Here is another report that may make it clearer for you:
https://www.politik.co.nz/orr-raise-taxes-or-i-will-raise-interest-rates/
from which:
"Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr could not have been more clear.
If the Government includes raising taxes in its plans to pay for the >>>>Cyclone Gabrielle rebuild, then that will take pressure off him to >>>>raise interest rates.
Twice in his Monetary Policy press conference yesterday, he carefully >>>>stated that position.
“Reprioritisation of current spending and revenue arising through >>>>other alternatives makes the job of monetary policy easier because >>>>it’s redirecting current income rather than creating new cash in the >>>>economy,” he said.
And then: “If they (the Government) chose the reprioritisation and >>>>tax increases, then that does mean less increase in aggregate demand; >>>>less monetary policy pressure.”
Orr’s comments came after National Leader Christopher Luxon, Finance >>>>spokesperson Nicola Willis and ACT Leader, David Seymour, had all >>>>piled on to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister >>>>Robertson during this year’s first Question Time in Parliament, >>>>claiming that Labour intended to raise taxes.
Robertson, presumably unaware of what Orr was about to say at the >>>>press conference, did not put the possibility that not raising taxes >>>>could lead to higher interest rates to Parliament. Instead, he >>>>insisted the Government had yet to make any decisions. “However, what >>>>responsible Governments do in this situation is assess options,’ he >>>>said.
______________
Most of us have two eyes, Tony - it appears you have lost perspective >>>>and gone down a rabbit hole . .
Here are the quotes that support my post.
I have two eyes and you have none.
"He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >>>“reprioritisation” of spending (in other words, to make cuts to redistribute
funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for it, that would >>>make
his life easier.
That presents significant challenges for both of the major political >>>parties,
because Orr’s point is that more government borrowing and spending simply
works
against getting inflation under control."
and
"For the politics of the moment, this will sharpen the difference between >>>Labour and National. If Labour is to heed the governor’s advice it will >>>either
have to cut spending or raise taxes, and Finance Minister Grant Robertson >>>has
so far refused to rule out any tax hikes."
and
"In other words, both major parties may now be forced into something they >>>don't
really wish to do.
In an election year Labour probably doesn't really want to raise taxes >>>(although it may calculate some upside in a limited cyclone-related hike),
and
National doesn’t really want to show how it would pay for the cyclone or
where
it would make any cuts.
The centre-right party is convinced there is plenty of fat and poor quality
spending in Government – and there clearly is – but actually identifying
cuts
creates losers and people could campaign against you."
All of which supports what I wrote. Shove your lies and cherrypicking, >>>one-eyed
marxist garbage where it belongs.
It was a criticism of the government and the opposition you retarded little
turd.
inserted your own views; Orr did not say that there was plenty of fat >>and poor quality spending - that is your lie . . .
That quote came from the article that YOU POSTED you cretin. And it is in >quotes so that even you could work out that it was a bloody quote.
Piss off you under educated earthworm.
by lying aboiut what was posted or he made a mistake and has no integrity. In the former case - business as usual for him and in the latter I wonder what
his first language really is. It isn't English that's for sure.
He posted the article that my quotes were from - he is a low life.
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He is a bloody coward - he stuffed up and is cowering under his rock with the other cockroaches.Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:He's just a member of the woke left wing river of filth and like so many of >his(?) kind he's to imbecilic to understand that fact!
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:As anticipated - no response from rich80105. He either deliberately attacked >>me
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 03:09:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:43:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
What bullshit - can you even read?https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it >> >>>>>>wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other >> >>>>>>spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have >> >>>>>got
it
worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such
childish
lies.
If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break >> >>>>>your
nose.
From that article:
"Instead, he stated the obvious: that if the Government borrows up big >> >>>>to spend on the cyclone recovery it will pump new cash into the
economy.
That, in turn, will make his job harder.
Ergo, too much borrowing could mean more interest rate hikes and
higher repayments on household mortgages and business loans.
He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some
“reprioritisation” of spending (in other words, to make cuts to
redistribute funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for >> >>>>it, that would make his life easier. "
or from this article:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131304505/tax-or-borrow-labour-and-national-clash-over-cyclone-recovery?rm=a&cx_rm-ctrl=true
"Robertson, who is also the first Cyclone Recovery Minister, faced
questions at select committee and in the House from opposition MPs
about how the Government will pay for the crisis which has caused
serious damage to housing, productive land, businesses and
infrastructure. However, he said no decisions had been made.
“There are people whose homes, whose businesses have been completely >> >>>>devastated. We owe it to them to consider carefully both how much this >> >>>>is going to cost and how we pay for it,” he said.
Labour promised it wouldn’t bring any new taxes in 2020. But Robertson >> >>>>said he wouldn’t play “political games and do rule in, rule out”." >> >>>>
and later:
"National leader Christopher Luxon said his party would still give
people a tax cut through adjusting the tax thresholds to account for
inflation, and would borrow to pay for the flood recovery work."
Here is another report that may make it clearer for you:
You stupid man. I did not say that Orr said that.Somewhwere in that last few paragraphs you stopped quoting andYou cherry pick and lie like lizard you are.https://www.politik.co.nz/orr-raise-taxes-or-i-will-raise-interest-rates/
from which:
"Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr could not have been more clear.
If the Government includes raising taxes in its plans to pay for the
Cyclone Gabrielle rebuild, then that will take pressure off him to
raise interest rates.
Twice in his Monetary Policy press conference yesterday, he carefully
stated that position.
“Reprioritisation of current spending and revenue arising through
other alternatives makes the job of monetary policy easier because
it’s redirecting current income rather than creating new cash in the >> >>>>economy,” he said.
And then: “If they (the Government) chose the reprioritisation and
tax increases, then that does mean less increase in aggregate demand;
less monetary policy pressure.”
Orr’s comments came after National Leader Christopher Luxon, Finance >> >>>>spokesperson Nicola Willis and ACT Leader, David Seymour, had all
piled on to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister
Robertson during this year’s first Question Time in Parliament,
claiming that Labour intended to raise taxes.
Robertson, presumably unaware of what Orr was about to say at the
press conference, did not put the possibility that not raising taxes
could lead to higher interest rates to Parliament. Instead, he
insisted the Government had yet to make any decisions. “However, what >> >>>>responsible Governments do in this situation is assess options,’ he
said.
______________
Most of us have two eyes, Tony - it appears you have lost perspective
and gone down a rabbit hole . .
Here are the quotes that support my post.
I have two eyes and you have none.
"He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some
“reprioritisation” of spending (in other words, to make cuts to
redistribute
funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for it, that would >> >>>make
his life easier.
That presents significant challenges for both of the major political
parties,
because Orr’s point is that more government borrowing and spending
simply
works
against getting inflation under control."
and
"For the politics of the moment, this will sharpen the difference between >> >>>Labour and National. If Labour is to heed the governor’s advice it will >> >>>either
have to cut spending or raise taxes, and Finance Minister Grant Robertson >> >>>has
so far refused to rule out any tax hikes."
and
"In other words, both major parties may now be forced into something they >> >>>don't
really wish to do.
In an election year Labour probably doesn't really want to raise taxes
(although it may calculate some upside in a limited cyclone-related
hike),
and
National doesn’t really want to show how it would pay for the cyclone >> >>>or
where
it would make any cuts.
The centre-right party is convinced there is plenty of fat and poor
quality
spending in Government – and there clearly is – but actually
identifying
cuts
creates losers and people could campaign against you."
All of which supports what I wrote. Shove your lies and cherrypicking,
one-eyed
marxist garbage where it belongs.
It was a criticism of the government and the opposition you retarded
little
turd.
inserted your own views; Orr did not say that there was plenty of fat
and poor quality spending - that is your lie . . .
That quote came from the article that YOU POSTED you cretin. And it is in >> >quotes so that even you could work out that it was a bloody quote.
Piss off you under educated earthworm.
by lying aboiut what was posted or he made a mistake and has no integrity. >> In the former case - business as usual for him and in the latter I wonder >>what
his first language really is. It isn't English that's for sure.
He posted the article that my quotes were from - he is a low life.
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John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:You'll have the poor wee soulless twit grizzling about threats soon Tony :)
On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:56:31 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
He is a bloody coward - he stuffed up and is cowering under his rock with theTony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:He's just a member of the woke left wing river of filth and like so many of >his(?) kind he's to imbecilic to understand that fact!
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:As anticipated - no response from rich80105. He either deliberately attacked
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 03:09:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 01:43:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
What bullshit - can you even read?https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131308473/adrian-orr-gives-the-political-class-a-wakeup-call-on-borrowandspend
Which is shorthand for saying that Luxon and National are getting it
wrong, and Labour need to follow through on their plans to cut other
spending to meet the needs of the communities hit by floods.
Nothing new there then . . .
What it is saying is that either the government or the opposition have
got
it
worng or even that both have.
What a jerk you are to think that you can fool people with such
childish
lies.
If you could understand the word balance you would fall over and break
your
nose.
From that article:
"Instead, he stated the obvious: that if the Government borrows up big
to spend on the cyclone recovery it will pump new cash into the
economy.
That, in turn, will make his job harder.
Ergo, too much borrowing could mean more interest rate hikes and
higher repayments on household mortgages and business loans.
He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >> >>>>“reprioritisation” of spending (in other words, to make cuts to >> >>>>redistribute funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for
it, that would make his life easier. "
or from this article:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131304505/tax-or-borrow-labour-and-national-clash-over-cyclone-recovery?rm=a&cx_rm-ctrl=true
"Robertson, who is also the first Cyclone Recovery Minister, faced
questions at select committee and in the House from opposition MPs
about how the Government will pay for the crisis which has caused
serious damage to housing, productive land, businesses and
infrastructure. However, he said no decisions had been made.
“There are people whose homes, whose businesses have been completely
devastated. We owe it to them to consider carefully both how much this
is going to cost and how we pay for it,” he said.
Labour promised it wouldn’t bring any new taxes in 2020. But Robertson
said he wouldn’t play “political games and do rule in, rule out”."
and later:
"National leader Christopher Luxon said his party would still give
people a tax cut through adjusting the tax thresholds to account for >> >>>>inflation, and would borrow to pay for the flood recovery work."
Here is another report that may make it clearer for you:
You stupid man. I did not say that Orr said that.Somewhwere in that last few paragraphs you stopped quoting andYou cherry pick and lie like lizard you are.https://www.politik.co.nz/orr-raise-taxes-or-i-will-raise-interest-rates/
from which:
"Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr could not have been more clear.
If the Government includes raising taxes in its plans to pay for the >> >>>>Cyclone Gabrielle rebuild, then that will take pressure off him to
raise interest rates.
Twice in his Monetary Policy press conference yesterday, he carefully >> >>>>stated that position.
“Reprioritisation of current spending and revenue arising through >> >>>>other alternatives makes the job of monetary policy easier because
it’s redirecting current income rather than creating new cash in the
economy,” he said.
And then: “If they (the Government) chose the reprioritisation and >> >>>>tax increases, then that does mean less increase in aggregate demand; >> >>>>less monetary policy pressure.”
Orr’s comments came after National Leader Christopher Luxon, Finance
spokesperson Nicola Willis and ACT Leader, David Seymour, had all
piled on to Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister
Robertson during this year’s first Question Time in Parliament,
claiming that Labour intended to raise taxes.
Robertson, presumably unaware of what Orr was about to say at the
press conference, did not put the possibility that not raising taxes >> >>>>could lead to higher interest rates to Parliament. Instead, he
insisted the Government had yet to make any decisions. “However, what
responsible Governments do in this situation is assess options,’ he >> >>>>said.
______________
Most of us have two eyes, Tony - it appears you have lost perspective >> >>>>and gone down a rabbit hole . .
Here are the quotes that support my post.
I have two eyes and you have none.
"He diplomatically suggested if the government were minded to do some >> >>>“reprioritisation” of spending (in other words, to make cuts to
redistribute
funds to cyclone relief) or jack up taxes to help pay for it, that would
make
his life easier.
That presents significant challenges for both of the major political >> >>>parties,
because Orr’s point is that more government borrowing and spending >> >>>simply
works
against getting inflation under control."
and
"For the politics of the moment, this will sharpen the difference between
Labour and National. If Labour is to heed the governor’s advice it will
either
have to cut spending or raise taxes, and Finance Minister Grant Robertson
has
so far refused to rule out any tax hikes."
and
"In other words, both major parties may now be forced into something they
don't
really wish to do.
In an election year Labour probably doesn't really want to raise taxes >> >>>(although it may calculate some upside in a limited cyclone-related
hike),
and
National doesn’t really want to show how it would pay for the cyclone
or
where
it would make any cuts.
The centre-right party is convinced there is plenty of fat and poor
quality
spending in Government – and there clearly is – but actually
identifying
cuts
creates losers and people could campaign against you."
All of which supports what I wrote. Shove your lies and cherrypicking, >> >>>one-eyed
marxist garbage where it belongs.
It was a criticism of the government and the opposition you retarded >> >>>little
turd.
inserted your own views; Orr did not say that there was plenty of fat >> >>and poor quality spending - that is your lie . . .
That quote came from the article that YOU POSTED you cretin. And it is in
quotes so that even you could work out that it was a bloody quote.
Piss off you under educated earthworm.
me
by lying aboiut what was posted or he made a mistake and has no integrity.
In the former case - business as usual for him and in the latter I wonder >>what
his first language really is. It isn't English that's for sure.
He posted the article that my quotes were from - he is a low life.
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