Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has triedNothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the future.
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful
not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a
certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of
views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and
would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may
even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-readingACT/National have always been a better fit than Labour and it's communist colleagues in the Maori party and the Greens Rich. Especially for all those that cherish freedom. Despite all your support for Labour/Green/Marxism Rich nothing you have posted has
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful
not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a
certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of
views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and
would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may
even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-readingThat's one side of it Tony. The other side of it is that if a post
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the >future.
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful
not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of
views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and
would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may
even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the >future.
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful
not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of
views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and
would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may
even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-readingAlso Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the >future.
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>better fit . . .
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond
with.
--
Crash McBash
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-readingThat's one side of it Tony. The other side of it is that if a post
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the >>future.
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>better fit . . .
like this - so incorrect on detail and so full of >Labour-diehard-wishful-thinking - is the best that Rich can do he is
sinking to new lows in the crap he posts.
Pugh made comments not about Climate Change but her belief that no
clear evidence exists that it is caused by humans. Everyone misses
this detail.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the >>future.
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>better fit . . .
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond
with.
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 5:11:25 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:has explained Labours totalitarian attitude despite you claiming National is that. We all know you are very good at seeing your failings and Labours in everyone else and lying to support your unscientific and highly politicised views :)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-readingACT/National have always been a better fit than Labour and it's communist colleagues in the Maori party and the Greens Rich. Especially for all those that cherish freedom. Despite all your support for Labour/Green/Marxism Rich nothing you have posted
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful
not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a
certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the
nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of
views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and
would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may
even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 7:53:06 PM UTC+13, Crash wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-readingNothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried
to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful
not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a
certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the
nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of
views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and
would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may
even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
future.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond
with.
--
Crash McBash
Maureen Pugh is pushing those former ACT clowns Jamie Whyte and "Dr. Miriam" for the honour of New Zealand's stupidest ever member of parliament.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>I don't know of any poster here who has said that humans do not influence climate change - perhaps you could post a cite.
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the >>>future.
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>better fit . . .
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond
with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the >>>future.
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>better fit . . .
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond
with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Regrettably Rich has been sucked in by the UN religion of climate change Tony. He's as religiously fanatical as he is a political fanatic...
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - MaureenI don't know of any poster here who has said that humans do not influence climate change - perhaps you could post a cite.
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
I strongly believe that humans are not the major cause of climate change and others here have said the same. That view is well supported by competent scientists.
Very different to your unsupported accusation.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:I don't know of any poster here who has said that humans do not influence climate change - perhaps you could post a cite.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
I strongly believe that humans are not the major cause of climate change and others here have said the same. That view is well supported by competent scientists.
Very different to your unsupported accusation.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 17:44:28 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-readingThat's one side of it Tony. The other side of it is that if a post
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the >>>future.
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>better fit . . .
like this - so incorrect on detail and so full of >>Labour-diehard-wishful-thinking - is the best that Rich can do he is >>sinking to new lows in the crap he posts.
Pugh made comments not about Climate Change but her belief that no
clear evidence exists that it is caused by humans. Everyone misses
this detail.
Christopher Luxon did not miss that detail - he objected to it and
made it clear that there is clear evidence that it is caused by humans
- later Maureen Pugh retracted her earlier statements. Can't have
anyone having different thoughts than the Leader in the National Party
- did you not know that, Crash?
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:55:06 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:Nah John - he is quite simply a political hack and cannot think for himself. Labour says jump and he asks how high. He is pathetic.
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Regrettably Rich has been sucked in by the UN religion of climate change Tony. >He's as religiously fanatical as he is a political fanatic...
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>I don't know of any poster here who has said that humans do not influence
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in >> >>>thehttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >> >>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >> >>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a
certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the
nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of
views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and
would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may
even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond
with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
climate change - perhaps you could post a cite.
I strongly believe that humans are not the major cause of climate change and >> others here have said the same. That view is well supported by competent
scientists.
Very different to your unsupported accusation.
On 2023-02-21, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Currently there is an international investigation into what effect the Tonga volcano has had on our weather/climate As we've been trying to get into Richie's dense skull it's far more than idiots like him with his EV that are changing the climate. Hell
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The point is What is causing climate change? The main stream theory is that it is CO2 amounts of, in the atmosphere. If this is the case why has the earth warmed when the atmosphere CO2 levels were low?
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:I don't know of any poster here who has said that humans do not influence climate change - perhaps you could post a cite.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
The earth's climate changed several times in the times that humans have been on the earth until 1850. All low CO2.
I strongly believe that humans are not the major cause of climate change andTo me it is case of the influence of human activity is just on of the factors in the mix.
others here have said the same. That view is well supported by competent scientists.
Very different to your unsupported accusation.
On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 23:22:49 -0800 (PST), "morriss...@gmail.com" <morriss...@gmail.com> wrote:What utter fucking rubbish. But guess it's what we expect from the fucking imbecile Rich80105!
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 7:53:06 PM UTC+13, Crash wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-readingNothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >> >>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided
that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >> >>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a
certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >> >>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >> >>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step
too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >> >>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit
that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >> >>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
future.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond
with.
--
Crash McBash
Maureen Pugh is pushing those former ACT clowns Jamie Whyte and "Dr. Miriam" for the honour of New Zealand's stupidest ever member of parliament.I doubt she will be as high on the list next time - being a modern
National MP requires flexibility about a lot of things - but
particularly the ability to ensure that changes in policy from the
leader are instantly followed. Some National MPs don't appear to fit
any more- look for a few electorates needing a new selection process
for the National candidate as we go through winter . . .
On 2023-02-21, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I agree, as I posted I do not believe Rich's accusation about posters here is correct - he will not be able to provide a cite - so he lied.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:I don't know of any poster here who has said that humans do not influence
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in >>>>>the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
climate change - perhaps you could post a cite.
The point is What is causing climate change? The main stream theory is that >it is CO2 amounts of, in the atmosphere. If this is the case why has the >earth warmed when the atmosphere CO2 levels were low?
The earth's climate changed several times in the times that humans have been >on the earth until 1850. All low CO2.
I strongly believe that humans are not the major cause of climate change and >> others here have said the same. That view is well supported by competent
scientists.
To me it is case of the influence of human activity is just on of the
factors in the mix.
Very different to your unsupported accusation.
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:Pathetic is an accolade in Rich's case Tony. They haven't created a word to describe how bad Rich is, though Marxist comes close...
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:55:06 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:Nah John - he is quite simply a political hack and cannot think for himself. Labour says jump and he asks how high. He is pathetic.
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Regrettably Rich has been sucked in by the UN religion of climate change Tony.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>I don't know of any poster here who has said that humans do not influence >> climate change - perhaps you could post a cite.
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do inhttps://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >> >>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees
with anything the government does). that increased support for
National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In
reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >> >>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >> >>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was
doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >> >>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need
for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >> >>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >> >>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any
further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate
Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >> >>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was
mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National
position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >> >>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >> >>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions
targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >> >>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who
previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a
better fit . . .
the
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond
with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
I strongly believe that humans are not the major cause of climate change and
others here have said the same. That view is well supported by competent >> scientists.
Very different to your unsupported accusation.
He's as religiously fanatical as he is a political fanatic...
On 2023-02-21, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
Why should they? For they are watching the great hoax in human history.
On another level they are looking at all the related information and
checking it out how it all fits in. In much the same way as the alternative >viewer have to the covid vaccine.
It says alot about the situation if a person can change their mind witin a >day on a subject so important as climate change.
On 21 Feb 2023 20:10:57 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:He has already told you what he thinks - do catch up.
On 2023-02-21, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in >>>>>the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
Why should they? For they are watching the great hoax in human history.
On another level they are looking at all the related information and >>checking it out how it all fits in. In much the same way as the alternative >>viewer have to the covid vaccine.
It says alot about the situation if a person can change their mind witin a >>day on a subject so important as climate change.
Perhaps it is a lot, but in what way you mean that is not clear -
certainly Maureen Pugh says that she has changed her mind, and in only
a few hours rather than a full day. What do you think it says, Gordon?
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:As always Richie's lack of comprehension makes him look like a bigger fucking imbecile than he is! Some things only get worse, much like Labours "fixed" problems..
On 21 Feb 2023 20:10:57 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-02-21, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in >>>>>the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
Why should they? For they are watching the great hoax in human history.
On another level they are looking at all the related information and >>checking it out how it all fits in. In much the same way as the alternative >>viewer have to the covid vaccine.
It says alot about the situation if a person can change their mind witin a >>day on a subject so important as climate change.
Perhaps it is a lot, but in what way you mean that is not clear -He has already told you what he thinks - do catch up.
certainly Maureen Pugh says that she has changed her mind, and in only
a few hours rather than a full day. What do you think it says, Gordon?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Feb 2023 20:10:57 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:He has already told you what he thinks - do catch up.
On 2023-02-21, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in >>>>>>the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group
who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
Why should they? For they are watching the great hoax in human history.
On another level they are looking at all the related information and >>>checking it out how it all fits in. In much the same way as the alternative >>>viewer have to the covid vaccine.
It says alot about the situation if a person can change their mind witin a >>>day on a subject so important as climate change.
Perhaps it is a lot, but in what way you mean that is not clear -
certainly Maureen Pugh says that she has changed her mind, and in only
a few hours rather than a full day. What do you think it says, Gordon?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 02:18:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyRich YOU are the queen of wrong! As usual your total lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fucking imbecile!!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Tony is wrong as usual.
On 21 Feb 2023 20:10:57 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:He has already told you what he thinks - do catch up.
On 2023-02-21, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>>> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>>>better fit . . .
the
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone: >>>>>
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group >>>> who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
Why should they? For they are watching the great hoax in human history. >>>
On another level they are looking at all the related information and >>>checking it out how it all fits in. In much the same way as the alternative
viewer have to the covid vaccine.
It says alot about the situation if a person can change their mind witin a >>>day on a subject so important as climate change.
Perhaps it is a lot, but in what way you mean that is not clear - >>certainly Maureen Pugh says that she has changed her mind, and in only
a few hours rather than a full day. What do you think it says, Gordon?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 02:18:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat a silly twerp you are - when will you debate without being offensive? Eh?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Feb 2023 20:10:57 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:He has already told you what he thinks - do catch up.
On 2023-02-21, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 19:53:04 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 04:18:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
Nothing that every Labour opposition has done in the past and will do in >>>>>>>the
Ever since he became the Leader of the National Party, Luxon has tried >>>>>>>>to never disagree with anyone except the government (he neer agrees >>>>>>>>with anything the government does). that increased support for >>>>>>>>National as numerous nutters saw a sympathetic ear in Luxon. In >>>>>>>>reality he needed the nutters - too many National supporters decided >>>>>>>>that ACT was a better bet, and had headed that way - so he was careful >>>>>>>>not to alienate a lot of extremist nutters - but even while he was >>>>>>>>doing that he knew that climate change could only be minimised for a >>>>>>>>certain time - eventually he would need to be honest about the need >>>>>>>>for change. All Maureen saw was that National agreed with many of the >>>>>>>>nutters, and did not recognise that the flooding has changed a lot of >>>>>>>>views about the need for us to do something to try to minimise any >>>>>>>>further such events - so she gaily aligned herslef with the Climate >>>>>>>>Change deniers. The National boffins were appalled - that was a step >>>>>>>>too far; Luxon had to act before he was really ready; and she was >>>>>>>>mildly slapped down.
But now we can see more clearly the dishonesty of the National >>>>>>>>position - they were milking those they disagreed with for votes, and >>>>>>>>would ignore them when in government. Luxon has been forced to admit >>>>>>>>that climate change is real, and that we have to meet emissions >>>>>>>>targets. That is a significant policy switch for National - there may >>>>>>>>even be a poster to nz.general who decides that like other who >>>>>>>>previously supported National, that David Seymour and ACT are now a >>>>>>>>better fit . . .
future.
Also Rich posted too early - the logic behind his post is now gone: >>>>>>
https://tinyurl.com/2p8v5jj8
No doubt though the Rich will have an irrelevant new line to respond >>>>>>with.
It does emphasise that there has been a change of policy - Maureen
Pugh got the message very quickly and adopted the "new think" laid
down by Luxon in just a few hours. Will those who post to this group >>>>> who have not believed that humans have or are influencing climate
change their mind as quickly?
Why should they? For they are watching the great hoax in human history. >>>>
On another level they are looking at all the related information and >>>>checking it out how it all fits in. In much the same way as the alternative >>>>viewer have to the covid vaccine.
It says alot about the situation if a person can change their mind witin a >>>>day on a subject so important as climate change.
Perhaps it is a lot, but in what way you mean that is not clear - >>>certainly Maureen Pugh says that she has changed her mind, and in only
a few hours rather than a full day. What do you think it says, Gordon?
Tony is wrong as usual.
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