• Re: "Cut it out". "Pull your horns in". This is utterly pathetic

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to JohnO on Sun Feb 19 14:10:48 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:49:47 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.

    Pretty typical of a ball less lefty woke government! Saw a report of gang members threatening a road crew with saw of shotgun and a pistol. Pricks like that should be greeted with a warning shot between the ears!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to JohnO on Sun Feb 19 21:55:19 2023
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid >the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there >putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. >If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing >is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    Yes I noticed that. I can see it now - a gang leader saying to his "boys" OK fellas let's stop doing this, cos they asked nicely.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 13:49:46 2023
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to JohnO on Sun Feb 19 17:36:50 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:49:47 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    Seems the Napier mayor asked for military assistance which has been turned down. I'm surprised there isn't more help coming from army! Guess our wishy washy government is worried it might traumatise the gangs. Didn't take long to have them in
    Christchurch after the quake and they're eminently capable of providing assistance with accommodation, food, medical assistance and support!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 17:40:43 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:34:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the government response has been excellent.
    What you mean Rich is the government departments response has been excellent! Nash has grizzling at the gangs to take off their patches and help out. I'd bet some gang members are only helping by removing goods from businesses and homes along with stealing desperately needed generators! Hipkins has been wafling a load of shit
    about roads etc. Apart from that he's just been a pretty face at the podium of truth!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 14:33:28 2023
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the government response has been excellent.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Mon Feb 20 15:21:01 2023
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:36:50 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:49:47 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    Seems the Napier mayor asked for military assistance which has been turned down. I'm surprised there isn't more help coming from army! Guess our wishy washy government is worried it might traumatise the gangs. Didn't take long to have them in
    Christchurch after the quake and they're eminently capable of providing assistance with accommodation, food, medical assistance and support!

    What are you talking about - the army were there very quickly - doing
    jobs that were assessed as most turgent - and those related to major infrastructure that needed urent attention, and life-saving events
    such as getting people off building roofs!

    Perhaps you were just listening to ZB and the discussion about whether
    closing Auckland Schools was OK . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 20 02:26:36 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid >>the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down >>there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these >>gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing >>is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the >government response has been excellent.
    Can you ever post without being sarcastic?
    Don't answer we know the answer already.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Mon Feb 20 15:29:15 2023
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:40:43 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:34:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.
    What you mean Rich is the government departments response has been excellent!

    Yes it has been - NEMA was possibly little known before these events,
    but it was set up following needs identified following the November
    2016 earthquake and the 2017 Port Hiss Fire - it is a credit to the
    current government that our emergency management plans are
    internationally recognised as being world-leading; integrating people
    at different levels throughout New Zealand. With climate change, such
    events are sadly increasing, but Labour has done well in setting it up
    to be able to step in quickly and do better that previously - the
    organisation has greater autonomy than the organisation it replaced -
    National always wants greater political control . . ..


    Nash has grizzling at the gangs to take off their patches and help out. I'd bet some gang members are only helping by removing goods from businesses and homes along with stealing desperately needed generators! Hipkins has been wafling a load of shit
    about roads etc. Apart from that he's just been a pretty face at the podium of truth!

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 20 02:52:48 2023
    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the government response has been excellent.

    You certainly are not talking about the Covid response.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 18:55:25 2023
    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 14:34:38 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are

    If they are up to it then why is the minister having to beg the gangs to desist? Because clearly the police have not been sufficiently resourced to prevent the ongoing looting.

    behind the times, aren't you?

    The NZDF are doing recovery not security, you mentally retarded amoeba.


    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the government response has been excellent.

    What a stupid comment.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 20 03:06:09 2023
    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:40:43 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:34:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.
    What you mean Rich is the government departments response has been excellent!

    Yes it has been - NEMA was possibly little known before these events,
    but it was set up following needs identified following the November
    2016 earthquake and the 2017 Port Hiss Fire - it is a credit to the
    current government that our emergency management plans are
    internationally recognised as being world-leading; integrating people
    at different levels throughout New Zealand.

    Warning, detour ahead.



    With climate change, such
    events are sadly increasing, but Labour has done well in setting it up
    to be able to step in quickly and do better that previously - the organisation has greater autonomy than the organisation it replaced - National always wants greater political control . . ..

    Labour mean while thinks Labour even more.

    Rich, could you stop and desist making polictical statements in the wake of
    a large natural disaster.

    Natural disasters happen, the point that Kiwis need to know that all parties agree to the plan and put it into action when needed. That the recovery will not be politicalised.

    The pepole in Hawkes Bay have who they are going to vote for in October.
    Some do not have food, water or power, or shelter.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 20 03:11:36 2023
    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:36:50 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:49:47 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    Seems the Napier mayor asked for military assistance which has been turned down. I'm surprised there isn't more help coming from army! Guess our wishy washy government is worried it might traumatise the gangs. Didn't take long to have them in
    Christchurch after the quake and they're eminently capable of providing assistance with accommodation, food, medical assistance and support!

    What are you talking about - the army were there very quickly - doing
    jobs that were assessed as most turgent - and those related to major infrastructure that needed urent attention, and life-saving events
    such as getting people off building roofs!

    Along with the three Maori lads who rescured many people

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131270510/cyclone-gabrielle-nah-were-just-three-mori-boys-the-heroes-who-saved-dozens-of-people-are-revealed


    Perhaps you were just listening to ZB and the discussion about whether closing Auckland Schools was OK . . .

    During Covid?

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sun Feb 19 20:36:48 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 3:52:50 PM UTC+13, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the government response has been excellent.
    You certainly are not talking about the Covid response.
    A pleasant change. Maybe it's sunk into the lump of granite standing in for Rich's brain that praising the governments stupidity was only highlighting Rich's own stupidity. We can but hope :)

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to JohnO on Sun Feb 19 20:38:02 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 3:55:26 PM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 14:34:38 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    If they are up to it then why is the minister having to beg the gangs to desist? Because clearly the police have not been sufficiently resourced to prevent the ongoing looting.
    behind the times, aren't you?
    The NZDF are doing recovery not security, you mentally retarded amoeba.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the government response has been excellent.
    What a stupid comment.
    Interesting that the mayor of Napier disagrees with Rich's claim the army is already there...

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 20:35:01 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 3:30:25 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:40:43 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:34:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.
    What you mean Rich is the government departments response has been excellent!
    Yes it has been - NEMA was possibly little known before these events,
    but it was set up following needs identified following the November
    2016 earthquake and the 2017 Port Hiss Fire - it is a credit to the
    current government that our emergency management plans are
    internationally recognised as being world-leading; integrating people
    at different levels throughout New Zealand. With climate change, such
    events are sadly increasing, but Labour has done well in setting it up
    to be able to step in quickly and do better that previously - the organisation has greater autonomy than the organisation it replaced -

    These have been working perfectly well without needing government interference Rich. Regretably Labour are panic merchants who are really only any good at talking about things rather than doing them. In the current case they were as usual late in
    responding and bloody lucky they had profesionals to make them looks good!
    National always wants greater political control . . ..

    That is an outright fucking lie Rich! It's your precious and woke Labour/Green communists desperate for political control of every aspect of our lives from what sort of shower head we use to forcing people to get a dodgy bloody vaccine to protect them
    from a virus the vaccine never ever addressed!

    Nash has grizzling at the gangs to take off their patches and help out. I'd bet some gang members are only helping by removing goods from businesses and homes along with stealing desperately needed generators! Hipkins has been wafling a load of shit
    about roads etc. Apart from that he's just been a pretty face at the podium of truth!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 20:29:56 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 3:22:12 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:36:50 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:49:47 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    Seems the Napier mayor asked for military assistance which has been turned down. I'm surprised there isn't more help coming from army! Guess our wishy washy government is worried it might traumatise the gangs. Didn't take long to have them in
    Christchurch after the quake and they're eminently capable of providing assistance with accommodation, food, medical assistance and support!
    What are you talking about - the army were there very quickly - doing
    jobs that were assessed as most turgent - and those related to major infrastructure that needed urent attention, and life-saving events
    such as getting people off building roofs!

    got a cite for this Rich? Because apart from a civvie using a mog to get a pregnant woman to Kaitaia hospital the only members of the armed forces involved are the navy and airforce and three maori boys using their inflatable jet boat to rescue people!


    Perhaps you were just listening to ZB and the discussion about whether closing Auckland Schools was OK . . .

    I don't listen to ZB because those who phone in sound like gormless fucking imbeciles like you Rich!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to JohnO on Sun Feb 19 22:15:19 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:49:47 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.

    The loopy Labour MPs need to get their act together! Police minister says one thing and the PM says another! Might have a new leader but it's still the same old woke Labour party...

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131277480/cyclone-gabrielle-chris-hipkins-denies-outbreak-of-lawlessness-in-hawkes-bay

    42 arrests in just a few days looks to me like a serious outbreak of crime unless you're a party relying on their vote later this year :)

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Feb 20 20:38:28 2023
    On 20 Feb 2023 02:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.

    You certainly are not talking about the Covid response. No I was not - that would have been off topic. The Covid response was handled very well - in world comparisons New Zealand comes through as being better than most countries as regards both a lower
    death rate and a better economic recovery. One of the reasons National now have no policies is because they were burned from having countries that adopted the policies they were pushing doing much worse thnan New Zealand - in terms of both health and
    economic outcomes.

    There is no reason to believe that the work going into recovery from
    Cyclone Gabrielle will not be just as succesful.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Mon Feb 20 20:51:01 2023
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:35:01 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 3:30:25 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:40:43 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:34:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.
    What you mean Rich is the government departments response has been excellent!
    Yes it has been - NEMA was possibly little known before these events,
    but it was set up following needs identified following the November
    2016 earthquake and the 2017 Port Hiss Fire - it is a credit to the
    current government that our emergency management plans are
    internationally recognised as being world-leading; integrating people
    at different levels throughout New Zealand. With climate change, such
    events are sadly increasing, but Labour has done well in setting it up
    to be able to step in quickly and do better that previously - the
    organisation has greater autonomy than the organisation it replaced -

    These have been working perfectly well without needing government interference Rich. Regretably Labour are panic merchants who are really only any good at talking about things rather than doing them. In the current case they were as usual late in
    responding and bloody lucky they had profesionals to make them looks good!
    They set up a structure to make sure that the response was good, you
    moron! And they were not late! Why do you lie so consistently?


    National always wants greater political control . . ..

    That is an outright fucking lie Rich! It's your precious and woke Labour/Green communists desperate for political control of every aspect of our lives from what sort of shower head we use to forcing people to get a dodgy bloody vaccine to protect them
    from a virus the vaccine never ever addressed!

    Nash has grizzling at the gangs to take off their patches and help out. I'd bet some gang members are only helping by removing goods from businesses and homes along with stealing desperately needed generators! Hipkins has been wafling a load of shit
    about roads etc. Apart from that he's just been a pretty face at the podium of truth!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 20:41:08 2023
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:55:25 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 14:34:38 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are

    If they are up to it then why is the minister having to beg the gangs to desist? Because clearly the police have not been sufficiently resourced to prevent the ongoing looting.

    behind the times, aren't you?

    The NZDF are doing recovery not security, you mentally retarded amoeba.

    I did not say they were - you said that the government should get the
    NZDF in there, and I told you that they were already there. There are
    legal issues with having defence force assist police; but that
    probably means little to you.



    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.

    What a stupid comment.
    No, just a fair assessment of your stupidity

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Feb 20 20:47:39 2023
    On 20 Feb 2023 03:11:36 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:36:50 -0800 (PST), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:49:47 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    Seems the Napier mayor asked for military assistance which has been turned down. I'm surprised there isn't more help coming from army! Guess our wishy washy government is worried it might traumatise the gangs. Didn't take long to have them in
    Christchurch after the quake and they're eminently capable of providing assistance with accommodation, food, medical assistance and support!

    What are you talking about - the army were there very quickly - doing
    jobs that were assessed as most turgent - and those related to major
    infrastructure that needed urent attention, and life-saving events
    such as getting people off building roofs!

    Along with the three Maori lads who rescured many people

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131270510/cyclone-gabrielle-nah-were-just-three-mori-boys-the-heroes-who-saved-dozens-of-people-are-revealed


    Perhaps you were just listening to ZB and the discussion about whether
    closing Auckland Schools was OK . . .

    During Covid?

    No, when people were being warned to prepare for the Cyclone: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300809224/cyclone-gabrielle-scepticism-is-a-sting-in-covids-tail

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 01:18:14 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:42:16 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:55:25 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 14:34:38 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are

    If they are up to it then why is the minister having to beg the gangs to desist? Because clearly the police have not been sufficiently resourced to prevent the ongoing looting.

    behind the times, aren't you?

    The NZDF are doing recovery not security, you mentally retarded amoeba.
    I did not say they were - you said that the government should get the
    NZDF in there, and I told you that they were already there. There are
    legal issues with having defence force assist police; but that
    probably means little to you.

    Wrong! That was me Rich. Guess as usual you're to dumb to be able to keep track of who your replying to. No wonder you think this government is capable of anything except talking and abusing good New Zealanders!


    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.

    What a stupid comment.
    No, just a fair assessment of your stupidity

    As always Rich the stupidity is all yours!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Mon Feb 20 22:23:58 2023
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 01:15:37 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:39:39 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Feb 2023 02:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.

    You certainly are not talking about the Covid response. No I was not - that would have been off topic. The Covid response was handled very well - in world comparisons New Zealand comes through as being better than most countries as regards both a
    lower death rate and a better economic recovery. One of the reasons National now have no policies is because they were burned from having countries that adopted the policies they were pushing doing much worse thnan New Zealand - in terms of both health
    and economic outcomes.

    There is no reason to believe that the work going into recovery from
    Cyclone Gabrielle will not be just as succesful.
    There's also no reason to believe Labour can actually successfully organise it going by their past performance Rich. Just because your political bias is so far left leaning your incapable of seeing the shit Labours been wading through for the last five
    years doesn't mean they'll achieve anything with this crisis!

    They already have, John Bowes - stop a bit from dreaming and listen to
    the news!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 01:15:37 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:39:39 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Feb 2023 02:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.

    You certainly are not talking about the Covid response. No I was not - that would have been off topic. The Covid response was handled very well - in world comparisons New Zealand comes through as being better than most countries as regards both a
    lower death rate and a better economic recovery. One of the reasons National now have no policies is because they were burned from having countries that adopted the policies they were pushing doing much worse thnan New Zealand - in terms of both health
    and economic outcomes.

    There is no reason to believe that the work going into recovery from
    Cyclone Gabrielle will not be just as succesful.
    There's also no reason to believe Labour can actually successfully organise it going by their past performance Rich. Just because your political bias is so far left leaning your incapable of seeing the shit Labours been wading through for the last five
    years doesn't mean they'll achieve anything with this crisis!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 01:19:31 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:48:49 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Feb 2023 03:11:36 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:36:50 -0800 (PST), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:49:47 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    Seems the Napier mayor asked for military assistance which has been turned down. I'm surprised there isn't more help coming from army! Guess our wishy washy government is worried it might traumatise the gangs. Didn't take long to have them in
    Christchurch after the quake and they're eminently capable of providing assistance with accommodation, food, medical assistance and support!

    What are you talking about - the army were there very quickly - doing
    jobs that were assessed as most turgent - and those related to major
    infrastructure that needed urent attention, and life-saving events
    such as getting people off building roofs!

    Along with the three Maori lads who rescured many people

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131270510/cyclone-gabrielle-nah-were-just-three-mori-boys-the-heroes-who-saved-dozens-of-people-are-revealed


    Perhaps you were just listening to ZB and the discussion about whether
    closing Auckland Schools was OK . . .

    During Covid?
    No, when people were being warned to prepare for the Cyclone: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300809224/cyclone-gabrielle-scepticism-is-a-sting-in-covids-tail
    They're so used to your government crying wolf Rich they just thought it was more lies from them like the ones they used to keep the fear going during covid!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Mon Feb 20 22:25:38 2023
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 01:18:14 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:42:16 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:55:25 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 14:34:38 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are

    If they are up to it then why is the minister having to beg the gangs to desist? Because clearly the police have not been sufficiently resourced to prevent the ongoing looting.

    behind the times, aren't you?

    The NZDF are doing recovery not security, you mentally retarded amoeba.
    I did not say they were - you said that the government should get the
    NZDF in there, and I told you that they were already there. There are
    legal issues with having defence force assist police; but that
    probably means little to you.

    Wrong! That was me Rich. Guess as usual you're to dumb to be able to keep track of who your replying to. No wonder you think this government is capable of anything except talking and abusing good New Zealanders!

    My apologies for confusing John Bowes with JohnO - both posters are
    remarkeably similar; if either thought at all they would both be
    offended.



    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.

    What a stupid comment.
    No, just a fair assessment of your stupidity

    As always Rich the stupidity is all yours!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 01:30:02 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:26:45 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 01:18:14 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:42:16 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:55:25 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 14:34:38 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to >> >> Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are

    If they are up to it then why is the minister having to beg the gangs to desist? Because clearly the police have not been sufficiently resourced to prevent the ongoing looting.

    behind the times, aren't you?

    The NZDF are doing recovery not security, you mentally retarded amoeba. >> I did not say they were - you said that the government should get the
    NZDF in there, and I told you that they were already there. There are
    legal issues with having defence force assist police; but that
    probably means little to you.

    Wrong! That was me Rich. Guess as usual you're to dumb to be able to keep track of who your replying to. No wonder you think this government is capable of anything except talking and abusing good New Zealanders!
    My apologies for confusing John Bowes with JohnO - both posters are remarkeably similar; if either thought at all they would both be
    offended.

    Do stop being a stupid imbecile Rich. You don't need to highlight your stupidity, we're all quite used to it :)


    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening >> >> have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the >> >> government response has been excellent.

    What a stupid comment.
    No, just a fair assessment of your stupidity

    As always Rich the stupidity is all yours!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 01:28:48 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:25:05 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 01:15:37 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:39:39 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Feb 2023 02:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the >> >> number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to >> >> Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are >> >> behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening >> >> have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the >> >> government response has been excellent.

    You certainly are not talking about the Covid response. No I was not - that would have been off topic. The Covid response was handled very well - in world comparisons New Zealand comes through as being better than most countries as regards both a
    lower death rate and a better economic recovery. One of the reasons National now have no policies is because they were burned from having countries that adopted the policies they were pushing doing much worse thnan New Zealand - in terms of both health
    and economic outcomes.

    There is no reason to believe that the work going into recovery from
    Cyclone Gabrielle will not be just as succesful.
    There's also no reason to believe Labour can actually successfully organise it going by their past performance Rich. Just because your political bias is so far left leaning your incapable of seeing the shit Labours been wading through for the last
    five years doesn't mean they'll achieve anything with this crisis!
    They already have, John Bowes - stop a bit from dreaming and listen to
    the news!
    Wrong! NEMA did that! You need to get your head out of your arse and learn something about New Zealand rich :)

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 01:27:18 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:52:08 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:35:01 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 3:30:25 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:40:43 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:34:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the >> >> number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to >> >> Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are >> >> behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening >> >> have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the >> >> government response has been excellent.
    What you mean Rich is the government departments response has been excellent!
    Yes it has been - NEMA was possibly little known before these events,
    but it was set up following needs identified following the November
    2016 earthquake and the 2017 Port Hiss Fire - it is a credit to the
    current government that our emergency management plans are
    internationally recognised as being world-leading; integrating people
    at different levels throughout New Zealand. With climate change, such
    events are sadly increasing, but Labour has done well in setting it up
    to be able to step in quickly and do better that previously - the
    organisation has greater autonomy than the organisation it replaced -

    These have been working perfectly well without needing government interference Rich. Regretably Labour are panic merchants who are really only any good at talking about things rather than doing them. In the current case they were as usual late in
    responding and bloody lucky they had profesionals to make them looks good!
    They set up a structure to make sure that the response was good, you
    moron! And they were not late! Why do you lie so consistently?
    National always wants greater political control . . ..

    That is an outright fucking lie Rich! It's your precious and woke Labour/Green communists desperate for political control of every aspect of our lives from what sort of shower head we use to forcing people to get a dodgy bloody vaccine to protect them
    from a virus the vaccine never ever addressed!

    Nash has grizzling at the gangs to take off their patches and help out. I'd bet some gang members are only helping by removing goods from businesses and homes along with stealing desperately needed generators! Hipkins has been wafling a load of
    shit about roads etc. Apart from that he's just been a pretty face at the podium of truth!
    The structure has been up for years Rich! All that happened in 2017 was a clarification of their role! Labour had little to do with it. The original structure has got us through a whole bunch of natural disasters for over 100 years under various names.
    It seems all Labour did was change it's name :)

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 21 05:13:55 2023
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:33:28 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the >government response has been excellent.

    In the aftermath of the 1906 San Fransisco earthquake, there were
    signs posted around the damaged areas warning people that looters
    would be shot. Quite the appropriate response IMHO.

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Tue Feb 21 08:10:36 2023
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 05:13:55 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:33:28 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to >>Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are
    behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the >>government response has been excellent.

    In the aftermath of the 1906 San Fransisco earthquake, there were
    signs posted around the damaged areas warning people that looters
    would be shot. Quite the appropriate response IMHO.

    Bill.

    I doubt that even Nat/ACT would be prepared to change the law to allow
    such a threat, Bill - they didn't with a much worse situation in
    Christchurch after the earthquake - do you know something we don't? I
    haven't heard anything about this from Luxon; has he said anything?

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 15:52:30 2023
    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 20:42:16 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:55:25 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 14:34:38 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the
    number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to
    Hosking . . .

    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are

    If they are up to it then why is the minister having to beg the gangs to desist? Because clearly the police have not been sufficiently resourced to prevent the ongoing looting.

    behind the times, aren't you?

    The NZDF are doing recovery not security, you mentally retarded amoeba.
    I did not say they were - you said that the government should get the
    NZDF in there, and I told you that they were already there. There are

    I said they should get the NZDF in there to help provide security. Too bad you are too thick to comprehend this in its obvious context.

    legal issues with having defence force assist police; but that
    probably means little to you.


    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening
    have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the
    government response has been excellent.

    What a stupid comment.
    No, just a fair assessment of your stupidity

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 21 17:33:52 2023
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 08:10:36 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 05:13:55 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:33:28 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the >>>number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to >>>Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are >>>behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening >>>have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the >>>government response has been excellent.

    In the aftermath of the 1906 San Fransisco earthquake, there were
    signs posted around the damaged areas warning people that looters
    would be shot. Quite the appropriate response IMHO.

    Bill.

    I doubt that even Nat/ACT would be prepared to change the law to allow
    such a threat, Bill - they didn't with a much worse situation in
    Christchurch after the earthquake - do you know something we don't? I >haven't heard anything about this from Luxon; has he said anything?

    Where did I make mention of politics or any political party?

    Do you think the authorities in San Francisco in 1906 were wrong?

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Tue Feb 21 21:59:18 2023
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 17:33:52 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 08:10:36 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 05:13:55 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:33:28 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:49:46 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    Two government ministers have said this about gangs looting and stealing amid the Gabrielle disaster in the Hawkes Bay.
    But of course that is not all they said - they also talked about the >>>>number of arrests for looting, but perhaps you were busy listening to >>>>Hosking . . .


    How pathetic. Instead of this feeble mewling, they should have been down there putting immense pressure on the police "flood" the area and smash these gangs. If the police are not up to it, get the NZDF in there.
    They are up to it, and yes the NZDF are in the area already. You are >>>>behind the times, aren't you?

    At a time like this people need to be protected. All the government is doing is asking the gangs pretty-please to stop.
    You have a very closed mind if you think that is all that is happening >>>>have you been hiding under a rock in your fear of having to admit the >>>>government response has been excellent.

    In the aftermath of the 1906 San Fransisco earthquake, there were
    signs posted around the damaged areas warning people that looters
    would be shot. Quite the appropriate response IMHO.

    Bill.

    I doubt that even Nat/ACT would be prepared to change the law to allow
    such a threat, Bill - they didn't with a much worse situation in >>Christchurch after the earthquake - do you know something we don't? I >>haven't heard anything about this from Luxon; has he said anything?

    Where did I make mention of politics or any political party?

    Do you think the authorities in San Francisco in 1906 were wrong?

    Bill.

    Not really a relevant question, Bill - the situation is not the same.
    You did however introduce the description of how looting was
    discouraged in 1906 in San Fransisco - did you see that solution as
    relevant to New Zealand at present?

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