• Life lines

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 03:21:43 2023
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, water supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in 20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time.
    Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the
    national grid ...

    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on
    this issue.


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency” following the loss of electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of
    outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours”. Phones across
    Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was
    probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that
    distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result.

    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without
    power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours,
    Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where
    it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and
    dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a
    brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Feb 14 03:56:51 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to >function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, water >supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in >20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time.
    Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the
    national grid ...

    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on >this issue.


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency” following the loss of >electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of
    outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours”. Phones across
    Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was
    probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that
    distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result.

    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without
    power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours,
    Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where >it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and >dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines. The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world.
    Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in any way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without recrimination and political posturing.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Feb 15 08:08:26 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to >>function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, water >>supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in >>20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time.
    Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the
    national grid ...
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on >>this issue.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency? following the loss of >>electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of
    outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours?. Phones across
    Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was
    probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that
    distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result.

    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without
    power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours,
    Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where >>it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and >>dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >>brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines. >The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world.
    Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in any >way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without >recrimination and political posturing.

    And that is indeed happening; transpower will be already planning
    alternatives to the 1927 Redclyffe substation pending better
    information when they are able to access that facility. One in one
    hundred year events are no longer sufficient.

    Christopher Luxon is now saying that we need a multi-government
    planning for the effects of climate change and adaptation for the
    greater anticipated climate effects likely ahead of us, and mitigation
    of contributions by New Zealand towards efficiency of emissions to
    assist the world effort. He is very clear that recognition of climate
    change does now require a big effort.

    He expressed the view that Climate deniers and climate minimalists
    just need to give those views up, and we need to work together and get
    moving to lead the world on minimising emmissions; and he has offered
    to work with Government. .

    Meanwhile Seymour wants MPs to be kept away from their electorates and
    home areas to sit in parliament; hiding out in Wellington to get on
    with whatever he thinks is of more importance than the emergency.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 11:58:49 2023
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 8:09:22 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to >>function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, water
    supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in
    20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time.
    Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the
    national grid ...
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on >>this issue.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency�€? following the loss of >>electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of
    outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours�€?. Phones across >>Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was
    probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that
    distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result.

    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without
    power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours,
    Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where
    it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and >>dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >>brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines.
    The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world.
    Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in any
    way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without >recrimination and political posturing.
    And that is indeed happening; transpower will be already planning alternatives to the 1927 Redclyffe substation pending better
    information when they are able to access that facility. One in one
    hundred year events are no longer sufficient.

    Isn't what New Zealand is experiencing just another one in one thousand year event? The second in a matter of weeks...


    Christopher Luxon is now saying that we need a multi-government
    planning for the effects of climate change and adaptation for the
    greater anticipated climate effects likely ahead of us, and mitigation
    of contributions by New Zealand towards efficiency of emissions to
    assist the world effort. He is very clear that recognition of climate
    change does now require a big effort.

    Got a cite for this Rich? Or do we as usual just have to take your word for it as you usually expect?


    He expressed the view that Climate deniers and climate minimalists
    just need to give those views up, and we need to work together and get moving to lead the world on minimising emmissions; and he has offered
    to work with Government. .

    Why should we try to lead the world in a UN project? In reality anything we do won't even be noticed...


    Meanwhile Seymour wants MPs to be kept away from their electorates and
    home areas to sit in parliament; hiding out in Wellington to get on
    with whatever he thinks is of more importance than the emergency.

    You must have a good solid, protected bridge Rich. According to the news Wellington hasn'r escaped the effects of this weather bomb...

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 14 20:05:11 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to >>>function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, water >>>supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in >>>20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time.
    Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the
    national grid ...
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on >>>this issue.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency? following the loss of >>>electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of
    outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours?. Phones across >>>Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was
    probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that
    distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result.

    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without
    power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours,
    Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where >>>it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and >>>dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >>>brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines. >>The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world.
    Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in any >>way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without >>recrimination and political posturing.

    And that is indeed happening; transpower will be already planning >alternatives to the 1927 Redclyffe substation pending better
    information when they are able to access that facility. One in one
    hundred year events are no longer sufficient.

    Christopher Luxon is now saying that we need a multi-government
    planning for the effects of climate change and adaptation for the
    greater anticipated climate effects likely ahead of us, and mitigation
    of contributions by New Zealand towards efficiency of emissions to
    assist the world effort. He is very clear that recognition of climate
    change does now require a big effort.

    He expressed the view that Climate deniers and climate minimalists
    just need to give those views up, and we need to work together and get
    moving to lead the world on minimising emmissions; and he has offered
    to work with Government. .

    Meanwhile Seymour wants MPs to be kept away from their electorates and
    home areas to sit in parliament; hiding out in Wellington to get on
    with whatever he thinks is of more importance than the emergency.
    What a typical Rich post - nothing we did not already know.
    What exactly is a climate denier, I have never met anybody who denies that the climate is changing?
    Climate denier and climate minimalist are silly meaningless phrases,

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Feb 14 12:20:21 2023
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 9:05:13 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to
    function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, water
    supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in
    20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time.
    Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the
    national grid ...
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on
    this issue.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency�€? following the loss of >>>electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of >>>outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours�€?. Phones across >>>Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was
    probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that
    distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result.

    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without
    power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours,
    Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where
    it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and
    dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >>>brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines.
    The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world.
    Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in any
    way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without >>recrimination and political posturing.

    And that is indeed happening; transpower will be already planning >alternatives to the 1927 Redclyffe substation pending better
    information when they are able to access that facility. One in one
    hundred year events are no longer sufficient.

    Christopher Luxon is now saying that we need a multi-government
    planning for the effects of climate change and adaptation for the
    greater anticipated climate effects likely ahead of us, and mitigation
    of contributions by New Zealand towards efficiency of emissions to
    assist the world effort. He is very clear that recognition of climate >change does now require a big effort.

    He expressed the view that Climate deniers and climate minimalists
    just need to give those views up, and we need to work together and get >moving to lead the world on minimising emmissions; and he has offered
    to work with Government. .

    Meanwhile Seymour wants MPs to be kept away from their electorates and >home areas to sit in parliament; hiding out in Wellington to get on
    with whatever he thinks is of more importance than the emergency.
    What a typical Rich post - nothing we did not already know.
    What exactly is a climate denier, I have never met anybody who denies that the
    climate is changing?
    Climate denier and climate minimalist are silly meaningless phrases,

    Yup. But then Rich is a silly minimalist poster with only three major topics: climate change bs, 3.5 waters and government propaganda and he has to lie to justify all of them :)

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 14 20:57:25 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:05:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to
    function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, >>>>>water
    supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in
    20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time.
    Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the
    national grid ...
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on >>>>>this issue.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency? following the loss of >>>>>electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of >>>>>outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours?. Phones across >>>>>Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was
    probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that
    distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result.

    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without >>>>>power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours,
    Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where
    it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and >>>>>dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >>>>>brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines.
    The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world.
    Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in >>>>any
    way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without >>>>recrimination and political posturing.

    And that is indeed happening; transpower will be already planning >>>alternatives to the 1927 Redclyffe substation pending better
    information when they are able to access that facility. One in one >>>hundred year events are no longer sufficient.

    Christopher Luxon is now saying that we need a multi-government
    planning for the effects of climate change and adaptation for the
    greater anticipated climate effects likely ahead of us, and mitigation
    of contributions by New Zealand towards efficiency of emissions to
    assist the world effort. He is very clear that recognition of climate >>>change does now require a big effort.

    He expressed the view that Climate deniers and climate minimalists
    just need to give those views up, and we need to work together and get >>>moving to lead the world on minimising emmissions; and he has offered
    to work with Government. .

    Meanwhile Seymour wants MPs to be kept away from their electorates and >>>home areas to sit in parliament; hiding out in Wellington to get on
    with whatever he thinks is of more importance than the emergency.
    What a typical Rich post - nothing we did not already know.
    What exactly is a climate denier, I have never met anybody who denies that >>the
    climate is changing?
    You would have to ask Luxon - it was the term he used on Radio NZ this >morning.
    But you posted it as if it means something -it doesn't

    Climate denier and climate minimalist are silly meaningless phrases,
    You are being a bit harsh on Luxon - jhe only had a few minutes to
    talk, but he did support New Zealand meeting emmission targets - but
    for farming through a seprate scheme.
    I was referring to your use of silly phrasers - why do you post such rubbish?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Feb 15 09:34:12 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:05:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to >>>>function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, water
    supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in >>>>20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time.
    Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the
    national grid ...
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on >>>>this issue.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency? following the loss of >>>>electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of >>>>outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours?. Phones across >>>>Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was
    probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that
    distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result.

    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without
    power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours,
    Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where >>>>it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and >>>>dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >>>>brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines. >>>The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world.
    Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in any
    way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without >>>recrimination and political posturing.

    And that is indeed happening; transpower will be already planning >>alternatives to the 1927 Redclyffe substation pending better
    information when they are able to access that facility. One in one
    hundred year events are no longer sufficient.

    Christopher Luxon is now saying that we need a multi-government
    planning for the effects of climate change and adaptation for the
    greater anticipated climate effects likely ahead of us, and mitigation
    of contributions by New Zealand towards efficiency of emissions to
    assist the world effort. He is very clear that recognition of climate >>change does now require a big effort.

    He expressed the view that Climate deniers and climate minimalists
    just need to give those views up, and we need to work together and get >>moving to lead the world on minimising emmissions; and he has offered
    to work with Government. .

    Meanwhile Seymour wants MPs to be kept away from their electorates and
    home areas to sit in parliament; hiding out in Wellington to get on
    with whatever he thinks is of more importance than the emergency.
    What a typical Rich post - nothing we did not already know.
    What exactly is a climate denier, I have never met anybody who denies that the >climate is changing?
    You would have to ask Luxon - it was the term he used on Radio NZ this
    morning.

    Climate denier and climate minimalist are silly meaningless phrases,
    You are being a bit harsh on Luxon - jhe only had a few minutes to
    talk, but he did support New Zealand meeting emmission targets - but
    for farming through a seprate scheme.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Feb 15 10:33:49 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:57:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:05:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable to
    function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, >>>>>>water
    supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then in
    20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time. >>>>>>Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of
    the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the >>>>>>national grid ...
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled on
    this issue.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency? following the loss of >>>>>>electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of >>>>>>outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours?. Phones across >>>>>>Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was >>>>>>probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that >>>>>>distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result. >>>>>>
    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without >>>>>>power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared
    to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours, >>>>>>Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built where
    it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high and
    dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >>>>>>brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life lines.
    The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world. >>>>>Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in >>>>>any
    way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without >>>>>recrimination and political posturing.

    And that is indeed happening; transpower will be already planning >>>>alternatives to the 1927 Redclyffe substation pending better >>>>information when they are able to access that facility. One in one >>>>hundred year events are no longer sufficient.

    Christopher Luxon is now saying that we need a multi-government >>>>planning for the effects of climate change and adaptation for the >>>>greater anticipated climate effects likely ahead of us, and mitigation >>>>of contributions by New Zealand towards efficiency of emissions to >>>>assist the world effort. He is very clear that recognition of climate >>>>change does now require a big effort.

    He expressed the view that Climate deniers and climate minimalists
    just need to give those views up, and we need to work together and get >>>>moving to lead the world on minimising emmissions; and he has offered >>>>to work with Government. .

    Meanwhile Seymour wants MPs to be kept away from their electorates and >>>>home areas to sit in parliament; hiding out in Wellington to get on >>>>with whatever he thinks is of more importance than the emergency.
    What a typical Rich post - nothing we did not already know.
    What exactly is a climate denier, I have never met anybody who denies that >>>the
    climate is changing?
    You would have to ask Luxon - it was the term he used on Radio NZ this >>morning.
    But you posted it as if it means something -it doesn't

    Merely quoting a politician who you are demonstrating may have been deliberately speaking so that those like yourself can read whatever
    they want into his statements - whether that makes him a better
    politician or just deceptive if up to you.


    Climate denier and climate minimalist are silly meaningless phrases,
    You are being a bit harsh on Luxon - he only had a few minutes to
    talk, but he did support New Zealand meeting emission targets - but
    for farming through a separate scheme.
    I was referring to your use of silly phrasers - why do you post such rubbish?

    See above - merely quoting Luxon. But listen for yourself: https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018877829/luxon-backs-delaying-parliament-a-week

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 14 21:49:08 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:57:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:05:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:56:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    In a natural disaster there are ceratin things which are very desirable >>>>>>>to
    function throught the disaster, examples are bridges/roads, hospitals, >>>>>>>water
    supply lines, power supply, sewers, communication networks.

    New Zealand is on the cyclone alley from the Coral sea. We have had then >>>>>>>in
    20-30 years intervals. There will be another one in 30 years time. >>>>>>>Or maybe sooner for the climate change relgion.

    The substation at Redclyffe, located near the northern banks of >>>>>>>the Tutaekuri river on the outskirts of Napier, flooded, the >>>>>>>national grid ...
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/climate-change/hawkes-bay-and-gisborne-lose-all-electricity-possibly-for-weeks


    On the banks of the River, read in the flood plane. The river has ruled >>>>>>>on
    this issue.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/131220400/gisborne-and-hawkes-bay-communications-down-power-out-for-days-to-weeks


    Transpower has declared a “grid emergency? following the loss of >>>>>>>electricity supply to Hawke's Bay and Gisborne and is warning of >>>>>>>outages for “days to weeks, rather than hours?. Phones across >>>>>>>Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay went down on Tuesday morning.

    Transpower said its Redclyffe substation, near Taradale, was >>>>>>>probably underwater. The Unison and Eastland networks that >>>>>>>distribute electricity to the region are currently down as a result. >>>>>>>
    "Until we are able to gain access to the substation we will
    not have a clear picture of how long the region will be without >>>>>>>power, but we are advising that the community should be prepared >>>>>>>to be without power for days to weeks, rather than hours, >>>>>>>Transpower said in a statement shortly after 11am."

    There might be migigating factors as to why the subsatation was built >>>>>>>where
    it is. However it would have paid dividends it the substation was high >>>>>>>and
    dry.

    I hope that Transpower does understand that building back better is a >>>>>>>brilliant idea which must be done as power supply is one of the life >>>>>>>lines.
    The situation is driven by a climate event.
    They happen every year.
    This time it was our turn.
    It will be our turn again one day as well as the rest of the world. >>>>>>Now let us please ignore the cretins who believe that 3/5 waters would in >>>>>>any
    way improve this situation and let us get on with recovery without >>>>>>recrimination and political posturing.

    And that is indeed happening; transpower will be already planning >>>>>alternatives to the 1927 Redclyffe substation pending better >>>>>information when they are able to access that facility. One in one >>>>>hundred year events are no longer sufficient.

    Christopher Luxon is now saying that we need a multi-government >>>>>planning for the effects of climate change and adaptation for the >>>>>greater anticipated climate effects likely ahead of us, and mitigation >>>>>of contributions by New Zealand towards efficiency of emissions to >>>>>assist the world effort. He is very clear that recognition of climate >>>>>change does now require a big effort.

    He expressed the view that Climate deniers and climate minimalists >>>>>just need to give those views up, and we need to work together and get >>>>>moving to lead the world on minimising emmissions; and he has offered >>>>>to work with Government. .

    Meanwhile Seymour wants MPs to be kept away from their electorates and >>>>>home areas to sit in parliament; hiding out in Wellington to get on >>>>>with whatever he thinks is of more importance than the emergency.
    What a typical Rich post - nothing we did not already know.
    What exactly is a climate denier, I have never met anybody who denies that >>>>the
    climate is changing?
    You would have to ask Luxon - it was the term he used on Radio NZ this >>>morning.
    But you posted it as if it means something -it doesn't

    Merely quoting a politician who you are demonstrating may have been >deliberately speaking so that those like yourself can read whatever
    they want into his statements - whether that makes him a better
    politician or just deceptive if up to you.
    No, you clearly believe that those two stupid phrases mean something - stop wriggling.


    Climate denier and climate minimalist are silly meaningless phrases,
    You are being a bit harsh on Luxon - he only had a few minutes to
    talk, but he did support New Zealand meeting emission targets - but
    for farming through a separate scheme.
    I was referring to your use of silly phrasers - why do you post such rubbish?

    See above - merely quoting Luxon. But listen for yourself: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018877829/luxon-backs-delaying-parliament-a-week
    Not interested.

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