• Hope all those up north are okay!

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 01:38:59 2023
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Jan 28 11:17:51 2023
    On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance >battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.

    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but
    they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get.
    The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of
    our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from
    extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing
    the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in
    areas without adequate drainage.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 27 23:41:22 2023
    On 2023-01-27, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:27:28 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance >>> >battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.
    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but
    they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get.
    The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of
    our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from
    extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing
    the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in
    areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!

    So what happened with the current burst of rain in that area, John -
    and what are the requirements on the developer for adequate drainage
    in that area?

    Up until now it was up to the local body to decide on the level of service,
    1 in x years storm. Just like earthquakes you can not design for the largest storm/earthquake or rouge wave even.

    We have to accept the big/huge ones will be out of our control.

    I did not support the criticism based on inadeqaute data, but equally
    I did not have adequate information to support the decision. You were
    unable to recognise the difference.

    Why do you insist Rich in slapping these last sentences as that above?

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 16:18:58 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 12:06:31 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:27:28 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance
    battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.
    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but
    they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get.
    The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of
    our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from
    extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing
    the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in
    areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!
    So what happened with the current burst of rain in that area, John -
    and what are the requirements on the developer for adequate drainage
    in that area?

    It was a flood prone area Rich. You know a place that fills up with water easily. It';s part of the lands drainage reservoir a natural catchment area. Probably a swamp that had been 'reclaimed'.Somewhere that should be kept and not built on. Labour
    however did their typical stupid flip flop!

    I did not support the criticism based on inadeqaute data, but equally
    I did not have adequate information to support the decision. You were
    unable to recognise the difference.

    No Rich you didn't support it because you refuse to accept Labour are useless!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Jan 27 16:21:25 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 12:41:24 PM UTC+13, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:27:28 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance
    battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.
    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but >>> they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get. >>> The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of
    our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from
    extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing
    the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in
    areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!

    So what happened with the current burst of rain in that area, John -
    and what are the requirements on the developer for adequate drainage
    in that area?
    Up until now it was up to the local body to decide on the level of service, 1 in x years storm. Just like earthquakes you can not design for the largest storm/earthquake or rouge wave even.

    We have to accept the big/huge ones will be out of our control.

    I did not support the criticism based on inadeqaute data, but equally
    I did not have adequate information to support the decision. You were unable to recognise the difference.
    Why do you insist Rich in slapping these last sentences as that above?
    Because Rich is stupid and a compulsive liar. The events in Auckland was an exceptional event even for thge current weather patterns. Another inconvenient fact Rich hasn't the comprehension skills to comprehend...

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sat Jan 28 12:02:24 2023
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:27:28 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance >> >battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.
    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but
    they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get.
    The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of
    our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from
    extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing
    the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in
    areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!

    So what happened with the current burst of rain in that area, John -
    and what are the requirements on the developer for adequate drainage
    in that area?

    I did not support the criticism based on inadeqaute data, but equally
    I did not have adequate information to support the decision. You were
    unable to recognise the difference.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 14:27:28 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance >battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.
    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but
    they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get.
    The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of
    our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from
    extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing
    the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in
    areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Fri Jan 27 21:09:38 2023
    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.

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  • From Kerr Avon@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Sat Jan 28 14:16:50 2023
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 01:38:59 -0800, John Bowes wrote:

    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope
    any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    It looks jolly miserable up there John. I also hope folks are on the mend
    soon.

    --
    Agency News | news.bbs.nz

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Jan 28 15:38:56 2023
    On 27 Jan 2023 23:41:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:27:28 -0800 (PST), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance
    battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.
    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but >>>> they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get. >>>> The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of
    our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from
    extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing
    the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in
    areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!

    So what happened with the current burst of rain in that area, John -
    and what are the requirements on the developer for adequate drainage
    in that area?

    Up until now it was up to the local body to decide on the level of service,
    1 in x years storm. Just like earthquakes you can not design for the largest >storm/earthquake or rouge wave even.

    We have to accept the big/huge ones will be out of our control.

    I did not support the criticism based on inadeqaute data, but equally
    I did not have adequate information to support the decision. You were
    unable to recognise the difference.

    Why do you insist Rich in slapping these last sentences as that above?

    Because John had criticised a decision by the government without
    adequate information or consideration as to why why a change may have legitimately been made. I also made the point that I had not supported
    either the earlier or later decisions made by the government, but gave
    possible reasons why such a change to a previous decision may have
    been made.

    Some such as John will always criticise the government, mostly without
    giving any reason for his criticism. https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832273/jim-hubbard-cartoons

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 20:07:22 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 23:41:22 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:27:28 -0800 (PST), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance
    battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.
    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but >>>> they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get. >>>> The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of >>>> our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from >>>> extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing >>>> the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in >>>> areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!

    So what happened with the current burst of rain in that area, John -
    and what are the requirements on the developer for adequate drainage
    in that area?

    Up until now it was up to the local body to decide on the level of service, >1 in x years storm. Just like earthquakes you can not design for the largest
    storm/earthquake or rouge wave even.

    We have to accept the big/huge ones will be out of our control.

    I did not support the criticism based on inadeqaute data, but equally
    I did not have adequate information to support the decision. You were
    unable to recognise the difference.

    Why do you insist Rich in slapping these last sentences as that above? Because John had criticised a decision by the government without
    adequate information or consideration as to why why a change may have legitimately been made. I also made the point that I had not supported either the earlier or later decisions made by the government, but gave possible reasons why such a change to a previous decision may have
    been made.

    All I did was point out yet ANOTHER stupid flip flop from the government Rich. The criticism was more than justified. A flood prone area doesn't change just because Megan Wood want's it to. It's more dangerous for 300 odd homes tan for 36. Your wailing
    won't change that unless you're fucking imbecile blindly supporting the most useless government in New Zealands history!


    Some such as John will always criticise the government, mostly without giving any reason for his criticism. '

    I certainly did give justification for the criticism. It's your total lack of comprehension that as so often made you look like the loser you are Rich!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832273/jim-hubbard-cartoons

    Why this cartoon Rich? Luxon had nothing to do with Megan Woods stupid decission!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sat Jan 28 22:46:52 2023
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 20:07:22 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 23:41:22 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:27:28 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance
    battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to.
    Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but >> >>>> they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get. >> >>>> The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of
    our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from
    extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing
    the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in
    areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!

    So what happened with the current burst of rain in that area, John -
    and what are the requirements on the developer for adequate drainage
    in that area?

    Up until now it was up to the local body to decide on the level of service, >> >1 in x years storm. Just like earthquakes you can not design for the largest
    storm/earthquake or rouge wave even.

    We have to accept the big/huge ones will be out of our control.

    I did not support the criticism based on inadeqaute data, but equally
    I did not have adequate information to support the decision. You were
    unable to recognise the difference.

    Why do you insist Rich in slapping these last sentences as that above?
    Because John had criticised a decision by the government without
    adequate information or consideration as to why why a change may have
    legitimately been made. I also made the point that I had not supported
    either the earlier or later decisions made by the government, but gave
    possible reasons why such a change to a previous decision may have
    been made.

    All I did was point out yet ANOTHER stupid flip flop from the government Rich. The criticism was more than justified. A flood prone area doesn't change just because Megan Wood want's it to. It's more dangerous for 300 odd homes tan for 36. Your wailing
    won't change that unless you're fucking imbecile blindly supporting the most useless government in New Zealands history!

    It was not a flip flop - the situation had changed significantly - the requirements for a project to erect 300 homes will have had to have
    sorted out water problems; a poject for 36 may well have not needed
    the same oversight. Recent rain and its effect in Auckland may well concenntrate everyones mond on flood prone areas - if there are
    problems relating to flooding they are likely to be much more
    important to ordinary New Zealanders than previously . In short you
    had no idea what problems there were with a previous proposal; they
    may have been fixed in a second and much larger proposal, but in any
    case commercial viability relies on the develope being fairly certain
    there is a market.

    You jumped to a conclusion without any knowledge of the factors that
    influenced either decision. When the situation changes, a change of
    mind may not be a flip flop - it may be a recognition of changed
    circumstances.


    Some such as John will always criticise the government, mostly without
    giving any reason for his criticism. '

    I certainly did give justification for the criticism. It's your total lack of comprehension that as so often made you look like the loser you are Rich!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832273/jim-hubbard-cartoons

    Why this cartoon Rich? Luxon had nothing to do with Megan Woods stupid decission!
    The particular cartoon that shows when you open the url is a graphic
    protrayal of your knee-jerk reaction to almost anything that is done
    in the name of the current government. Try clicking the arrow to the
    right of the latest cartoon - Jim Hubbard has some quite clever takes
    on issues that have been in news.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 12:56:44 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:51:02 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 20:07:22 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 3:43:09 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 27 Jan 2023 23:41:22 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 14:27:28 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:22:01 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >> >>>> On 27 Jan 2023 21:09:38 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-27, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just been looking at the updates on what is happening in Auckland. hope any who live in the region aren't being impacted to badly.

    By the looks of it some sure are impacted. More to come with the insurance
    battles to come.

    24 hour word record 1,825mm Foc Foc, La Réunion 7-8 Jan 1966
    Makes the 71mm in Auckland amount look rather small.

    Wednesday. Install the new PM.
    Friday night. State of emergency in Auckland for PM to attend to. >> >>>> Primary role is for the Mayor and Local Council. Not a good start, but
    they should have got processes going now. Clearly we have not
    anticipated the extent of extreme weather that we are starting to get.
    The flooding is in many places a clear example of the inadequacy of >> >>>> our storm water systems. We cannot expect to avoid all problems from >> >>>> extreme weather, but it did occur to me that yet again we are seeing >> >>>> the results of poor decisions from the past in allowing building in >> >>>> areas without adequate drainage.
    Yet you supported Labours decision to let them build more houses in a flood prone area in Tauranga. an area they had refused building permission for about a tenth of the number in the past. Hypocrisy is surely your main attribute Rich!

    So what happened with the current burst of rain in that area, John - >> >> and what are the requirements on the developer for adequate drainage >> >> in that area?

    Up until now it was up to the local body to decide on the level of service,
    1 in x years storm. Just like earthquakes you can not design for the largest
    storm/earthquake or rouge wave even.

    We have to accept the big/huge ones will be out of our control.

    I did not support the criticism based on inadeqaute data, but equally >> >> I did not have adequate information to support the decision. You were >> >> unable to recognise the difference.

    Why do you insist Rich in slapping these last sentences as that above? >> Because John had criticised a decision by the government without
    adequate information or consideration as to why why a change may have
    legitimately been made. I also made the point that I had not supported
    either the earlier or later decisions made by the government, but gave
    possible reasons why such a change to a previous decision may have
    been made.

    All I did was point out yet ANOTHER stupid flip flop from the government Rich. The criticism was more than justified. A flood prone area doesn't change just because Megan Wood want's it to. It's more dangerous for 300 odd homes tan for 36. Your
    wailing won't change that unless you're fucking imbecile blindly supporting the most useless government in New Zealands history!
    It was not a flip flop - the situation had changed significantly - the requirements for a project to erect 300 homes will have had to have
    sorted out water problems; a poject for 36 may well have not needed
    the same oversight. Recent rain and its effect in Auckland may well concenntrate everyones mond on flood prone areas - if there are
    problems relating to flooding they are likely to be much more
    important to ordinary New Zealanders than previously . In short you
    had no idea what problems there were with a previous proposal; they
    may have been fixed in a second and much larger proposal, but in any
    case commercial viability relies on the develope being fairly certain
    there is a market.

    No cite to back up your claim makes it just another of your constant lies to support the worse government New Zealand has ever had Rich!


    You jumped to a conclusion without any knowledge of the factors that influenced either decision. When the situation changes, a change of
    mind may not be a flip flop - it may be a recognition of changed circumstances.

    Some such as John will always criticise the government, mostly without
    giving any reason for his criticism. '

    I certainly did give justification for the criticism. It's your total lack of comprehension that as so often made you look like the loser you are Rich!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832273/jim-hubbard-cartoons

    Why this cartoon Rich? Luxon had nothing to do with Megan Woods stupid decission!
    The particular cartoon that shows when you open the url is a graphic protrayal of your knee-jerk reaction to almost anything that is done
    in the name of the current government. Try clicking the arrow to the
    right of the latest cartoon - Jim Hubbard has some quite clever takes
    on issues that have been in news.
    Utter bullshit! If the government actually achieved any of their election promises I wouldn't have anything to criticise Rich!

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