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  • Robertson scared of losing?

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 14:11:51 2023
    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jan 26 22:31:57 2023
    On 2023-01-26, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    Try actually reading the article - it is well explained there.

    Quote, all of apart from headline

    "Finance Minister Grant Robertson plans not to run in the Wellington
    Central electorate this election, campaigning as a list-only candidate.

    In a social media post, Robertson - who opted out of contesting the Labour leadership after Jacinda Ardern's shock resignation - said he loved representing the electorate but he believed it was the right decision.

    He said he intended to continue being the Finance Minister under the
    leadership of Chris Hipkins next term."


    Yep it was the right decision. The question is Why?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Jan 27 11:36:54 2023
    On 26 Jan 2023 22:31:57 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-26, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    Try actually reading the article - it is well explained there.

    Quote, all of apart from headline

    "Finance Minister Grant Robertson plans not to run in the Wellington
    Central electorate this election, campaigning as a list-only candidate.

    In a social media post, Robertson - who opted out of contesting the Labour >leadership after Jacinda Ardern's shock resignation - said he loved >representing the electorate but he believed it was the right decision.

    He said he intended to continue being the Finance Minister under the >leadership of Chris Hipkins next term."


    Yep it was the right decision. The question is Why?


    Sorry - the second Stuff url I gave includes:

    "In a statement, Shaw said he would be nominating himself to stand for
    the Green Party in Wellington again. The partys Wellington branch was
    expected to make campaign decisions in the coming weeks.

    Shaw said he had huge respect for Robertsons work, balancing being an electorate MP and finance minister.

    I will miss him on the campaign trail. It has been a privilege to
    campaign alongside him four times and to consider him a friend, he
    said.

    Robertson said, if re-elected later this year, he would want to focus
    almost exclusively on his responsibilities as minister of finance.

    As I contemplated this years election I thought about two previous
    ministers of finance. Sir Michael Cullen was a list MP while minister
    of finance and Sir Bill English became a list MP after six years as
    minister of finance, Robertson said in a statement.

    There is a reason for that. Being minister of finance is a huge job,
    and does often draw you away from electorate responsibilities. "

    I had red that just before seeing the post from John Bowes, and only
    realised after I sent a quick response that the link he sent was
    nothte same one.

    Essentially Robertson is fairly confident that Labour will be
    re-elected, and like previous senior Cabinet Ministers will move to
    the list to give himself more time. I know many people in the
    electorate and he is regarded as a good electorate MP with good staff
    who do more than normal chasing of queries as he is so busy.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 14:45:17 2023
    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:41:05 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 26 Jan 2023 22:31:57 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-26, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    Try actually reading the article - it is well explained there.

    Quote, all of apart from headline

    "Finance Minister Grant Robertson plans not to run in the Wellington >Central electorate this election, campaigning as a list-only candidate.

    In a social media post, Robertson - who opted out of contesting the Labour >leadership after Jacinda Ardern's shock resignation - said he loved >representing the electorate but he believed it was the right decision.

    He said he intended to continue being the Finance Minister under the >leadership of Chris Hipkins next term."


    Yep it was the right decision. The question is Why?


    Sorry - the second Stuff url I gave includes:

    "In a statement, Shaw said he would be nominating himself to stand for
    the Green Party in Wellington again. The party’s Wellington branch was expected to make campaign decisions in the coming weeks.

    Shaw said he had huge respect for Robertson’s work, balancing being an electorate MP and finance minister.

    “I will miss him on the campaign trail. It has been a privilege to campaign alongside him four times and to consider him a friend,” he
    said.

    Robertson said, if re-elected later this year, he would want to focus
    almost exclusively on his responsibilities as minister of finance.

    “As I contemplated this year’s election I thought about two previous ministers of finance. Sir Michael Cullen was a list MP while minister
    of finance and Sir Bill English became a list MP after six years as
    minister of finance,” Robertson said in a statement.

    “There is a reason for that. Being minister of finance is a huge job,
    and does often draw you away from electorate responsibilities.” "

    I had red that just before seeing the post from John Bowes, and only realised after I sent a quick response that the link he sent was
    nothte same one.

    To be expected from headline reading losers like you Rich:)

    Essentially Robertson is fairly confident that Labour will be
    re-elected, and like previous senior Cabinet Ministers will move to
    the list to give himself more time. I know many people in the
    electorate and he is regarded as a good electorate MP with good staff
    who do more than normal chasing of queries as he is so busy.
    Essentially Robertson is a dreamer. As for Shaw? Hardly a reliable supporter as he's setting his party up for coalition if by some miracle Labour is actually in a position to rule :)

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 14:28:25 2023
    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:25:52 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:18:35 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    Try actually reading the article - it is well explained there.
    Or read it here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131080548/grant-robertson-not-contesting-wellington-central-at-election?
    Considering Labours propensity for lying it looks like he's coping out because he knows Labour will lose next year and he'll just be Labours finance spokesperson next year :)

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 11:21:44 2023
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:18:35 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    Try actually reading the article - it is well explained there.
    Or read it here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131080548/grant-robertson-not-contesting-wellington-central-at-election?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Fri Jan 27 11:18:35 2023
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    Try actually reading the article - it is well explained there.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Fri Jan 27 12:22:59 2023
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    I suppose being defeated as an electorate candidate is not a good
    look. If Labour loose this seat it is best to sacrifice someone who
    is an unknown wannabe. All parties have plenty of these.

    Robertson was number 3 on Labour's list in 2020. In the 2014 election
    Labour only got 5 list seats so I am sure he will be looking to keep
    this ranking.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 27 02:29:29 2023
    On 2023-01-26, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:18:35 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    Try actually reading the article - it is well explained there.
    Or read it here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131080548/grant-robertson-not-contesting-wellington-central-at-election?


    Here is a thoery.

    A electrol MP has people that he/she represents. No some of these people
    might actually want to discuss a something alternative in nature. What an absolute hassle this is. Being someones MP means that you have people to
    serve apart from yourself, what a thought having to deal with average Joe
    Blow, espically when they are not on your side.

    A list MP does not need to report to the people you can do as you wish as
    lonf as the party line is towed. Being on the party seat one can not be
    fired by the people. That is why the party list starts with the leaders of
    the party and works it way down. (see below as an example)

    So the advantages of going List MP have many advantages, you can lose you
    seat, but remain in the House.


    https://www.labour.org.nz/2020-list

    Labour's list for the 2020 General Election

    Jacinda Ardern
    Kelvin Davis
    Grant Robertson
    Phil Twyford
    Megan Woods
    Chris Hipkins
    Andrew Little
    Carmel Sepuloni
    David Parker
    Nanaia Mahuta
    Trevor Mallard
    Stuart Nash
    Jenny Salesa
    Damien O'Connor
    Kris Faafoi
    David Clark
    Ayesha Verrall
    Peeni Henare
    Willie Jackson
    Aupito William Sio
    Poto Williams
    Vanushi Walters
    Michael Wood
    Adrian Rurawhe
    Kiri Allan
    Kieran McAnulty
    Louisa Wall
    Meka Whaitiri
    Rino Tirikatene
    Camilla Belich
    Priyanca Radhakrishnan
    Jan Tinetti
    Deborah Russell
    Marja Lubeck
    Angie Warren-Clark
    Willow-Jean Prime
    Tāmati Coffey
    Naisi Chen
    Jo Luxton
    Jamie Strange
    Liz Craig
    Ibrahim Omer
    Duncan Webb
    Anahila Kanongata'a-Suisuiki
    Ginny Andersen
    Rachel Brooking
    Paul Eagle
    Helen White
    Barbara Edmonds
    Angela Roberts
    Shanan Halbert
    Neru Leavasa
    Tracey McLellan
    Lemauga Lydia Sosene
    Steph Lewis
    Dan Rosewarne
    Rachel Boyack
    Arena Williams
    Ingrid Leary
    Soraya Peke-Mason
    Lotu Fuli
    Sarah Pallett
    Gaurav Sharma
    Emily Henderson
    Terisa Ngobi
    Kerrin Leoni
    Reuben Davidson
    Zahra Hussaini
    Janet Holborow
    Romy Udanga
    Ala' Al-Bustanji
    Glen Bennett
    Monina Hernandez
    Claire Mahon
    Jon Mitchell
    Nathaniel Blomfield
    Nerissa Henry
    Mathew Flight
    Shirin Brown
    Liam Wairepo
    Georgie Dansey

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Jan 27 16:54:40 2023
    On 27 Jan 2023 02:29:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-26, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:18:35 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:11:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Why else would he not try and win his Wellington seat back?
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/grant-robertson-goes-list-only-will-not-contest-wellington-central/ar-AA16Mz5A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=63f725983d5c4df988df42a0867348b8

    Try actually reading the article - it is well explained there.
    Or read it here:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131080548/grant-robertson-not-contesting-wellington-central-at-election?


    Here is a thoery.

    A electrol MP has people that he/she represents. No some of these people >might actually want to discuss a something alternative in nature. What an >absolute hassle this is. Being someones MP means that you have people to >serve apart from yourself, what a thought having to deal with average Joe >Blow, espically when they are not on your side.

    I think most electorate MPs (from any party) do that work fairly well
    - their staff can handle most issues which are fairly routine queries,
    but MPs get involved in harder issues where there is no easy answer.
    Mostly political affiliation is not an issue - they are there to help.


    A list MP does not need to report to the people you can do as you wish as >lonf as the party line is towed. Being on the party seat one can not be
    fired by the people. That is why the party list starts with the leaders of >the party and works it way down. (see below as an example)
    MMP has given the opportunity for a small number of people to not have
    to travel to an electorate. Peter Cullen was a list MP when he was
    Finance Minister; Bill English was an electorate MP for 6 years after
    getting the job, by which time he was living in Wellington; This
    decision makes sense; Robertson has been an electorate MP for a long
    time, but for 6 years while also being Finance Minister.

    So the advantages of going List MP have many advantages, you can lose you >seat, but remain in the House.
    It is being able to focus on a specialist Cabinet Post that is usually
    the reason.


    https://www.labour.org.nz/2020-list

    Labour's list for the 2020 General Election

    Jacinda Ardern
    Kelvin Davis
    Grant Robertson
    Phil Twyford
    Megan Woods
    Chris Hipkins
    Andrew Little
    Carmel Sepuloni
    David Parker
    Nanaia Mahuta
    Trevor Mallard
    Stuart Nash
    Jenny Salesa
    Damien O'Connor
    Kris Faafoi
    David Clark
    Ayesha Verrall
    Peeni Henare
    Willie Jackson
    Aupito William Sio
    Poto Williams
    Vanushi Walters
    Michael Wood
    Adrian Rurawhe
    Kiri Allan
    Kieran McAnulty
    Louisa Wall
    Meka Whaitiri
    Rino Tirikatene
    Camilla Belich
    Priyanca Radhakrishnan
    Jan Tinetti
    Deborah Russell
    Marja Lubeck
    Angie Warren-Clark
    Willow-Jean Prime
    T?mati Coffey
    Naisi Chen
    Jo Luxton
    Jamie Strange
    Liz Craig
    Ibrahim Omer
    Duncan Webb
    Anahila Kanongata'a-Suisuiki
    Ginny Andersen
    Rachel Brooking
    Paul Eagle
    Helen White
    Barbara Edmonds
    Angela Roberts
    Shanan Halbert
    Neru Leavasa
    Tracey McLellan
    Lemauga Lydia Sosene
    Steph Lewis
    Dan Rosewarne
    Rachel Boyack
    Arena Williams
    Ingrid Leary
    Soraya Peke-Mason
    Lotu Fuli
    Sarah Pallett
    Gaurav Sharma
    Emily Henderson
    Terisa Ngobi
    Kerrin Leoni
    Reuben Davidson
    Zahra Hussaini
    Janet Holborow
    Romy Udanga
    Ala' Al-Bustanji
    Glen Bennett
    Monina Hernandez
    Claire Mahon
    Jon Mitchell
    Nathaniel Blomfield
    Nerissa Henry
    Mathew Flight
    Shirin Brown
    Liam Wairepo
    Georgie Dansey

    It will be interesting to see if Luxon decides to become a list MP -
    for a Prime Minister there is usually a list MP assigned to help in
    their electorate if they decide to stay as an electorate MP.

    I don't think there is much to read into the decision - it is up to
    the party and the individual MP. I doubt Labour would lose Wellington
    Central with another candidate.

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