• Even Labour members not happy with Labour :)

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 12:23:51 2023
    Seems Dunedin want the hospital Labour promised NOT a half assed version of it. Council is preparing to support action to get the government to keep it's promise!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/131068018/fight-looming-over-proposed-cuts-to-dunedin-hospital-rebuild

    Guess it's all we can expect from the useless buggers. Instead of pouring money into something New Zealand didn't want (5 waters) surely it would have been better to pour money into something people wanted desperately. So much for the wails from the
    local lying supporter of Labour. wonder how this will affect Labours chances in Dunedin if they keep sitting on their hands...

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Fri Jan 27 11:04:41 2023
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 12:23:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Seems Dunedin want the hospital Labour promised NOT a half assed version of it. Council is preparing to support action to get the government to keep it's promise!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/131068018/fight-looming-over-proposed-cuts-to-dunedin-hospital-rebuild

    Guess it's all we can expect from the useless buggers. Instead of pouring money into something New Zealand didn't want (5 waters) surely it would have been better to pour money into something people wanted desperately. So much for the wails from the
    local lying supporter of Labour. wonder how this will affect Labours chances in Dunedin if they keep sitting on their hands...

    There you go again - just reading a headline. There is no denying
    that supply issues (largely resulting from such an increase in
    building of additional dwellings but also from international prices
    increasing) have increased prices. With the number of urgent calls for goovernment spending, the government is doing exactly what it should
    be - continuously reviewing not just the total spend, but the pace of
    spending. You have been calling for the government to reduce spending,
    but now when modest reductions are being talked about you go apeshit!

    Hospitals have had another change, and that is the national structure
    that encourages the whole system to work together instead od in little
    silos. That is likey to mean tht some surgeries for example are
    located in only some hospitals, where specialists can be better
    justified based on wider demand than just from the local area.

    The bits you seem to have missed:

    "Proposed cuts include reducing the number of beds in the inpatients
    building from 410 to 398, reducing operating theatres from 28 to 26,
    and reducing MRI scanners to two.

    In all of those cases, space would be set aside to restore those
    numbers when more funding was available.

    In December, it was announced the project budget had been increased by
    $110 million – after some $90m of savings were identified."

    I suspect that $110 million is more than National spent on hospital infrastructure during its last year in office - there has been a huge
    call for restoring the system capacity. The government are talking
    about a delay, not a permanent reduction - and the reductions are
    relatively small.

    and:
    "Health Minister Andrew Little could not be reached for comment on
    Thursday as he was attending a tangi, but previously dismissed
    concerns about the rebuild as “scuttlebutt”.

    “The decisions on the new Dunedin Hospital are the difficult decisions
    that have to be made when there is such huge demand after years of
    neglect,” he said in December."

    So do you want the government to cut spending, or increase spending,
    John Bowes?

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 14:26:37 2023
    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:08:53 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 12:23:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Seems Dunedin want the hospital Labour promised NOT a half assed version of it. Council is preparing to support action to get the government to keep it's promise!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/131068018/fight-looming-over-proposed-cuts-to-dunedin-hospital-rebuild

    Guess it's all we can expect from the useless buggers. Instead of pouring money into something New Zealand didn't want (5 waters) surely it would have been better to pour money into something people wanted desperately. So much for the wails from the
    local lying supporter of Labour. wonder how this will affect Labours chances in Dunedin if they keep sitting on their hands...
    There you go again - just reading a headline. There is no denying
    that supply issues (largely resulting from such an increase in
    building of additional dwellings but also from international prices increasing) have increased prices. With the number of urgent calls for goovernment spending, the government is doing exactly what it should
    be - continuously reviewing not just the total spend, but the pace of spending. You have been calling for the government to reduce spending,
    but now when modest reductions are being talked about you go apeshit!

    Once again your lack of comprehension has shown what a shallow lying loser you are Rich! This is just another failure of your utterly useless government. More interested in typical communist central control than delivering what is wanted and needed!
    This is something promised before Hipkins became PM and is just another broken promise from your lying, woke and useless government!

    Hospitals have had another change, and that is the national structure
    that encourages the whole system to work together instead od in little silos. That is likey to mean tht some surgeries for example are
    located in only some hospitals, where specialists can be better
    justified based on wider demand than just from the local area.

    More bullshit from the master(?) of bullshit. I wonder if you trained Ardern and Labour how to lie. If so it probably explains why they're so useless at it but keep repeating the same old tired lies!

    The bits you seem to have missed:

    Didn't miss anything Rich! Labour lied to Dunedin. It's going to be interesting to see if they can hold it later this year!

    "Proposed cuts include reducing the number of beds in the inpatients building from 410 to 398, reducing operating theatres from 28 to 26,
    and reducing MRI scanners to two.

    So you support my claim though because of your total lack of comprehension skills you don't even realise it! Remember Dunedin hospital is needed to train future doctors and any reduction in services also affects their training. The failure to keep the
    promise Labour made to Dunedin only highlights the inability of you and Labour to accept the problems they're setting up for the next government!

    In all of those cases, space would be set aside to restore those
    numbers when more funding was available.

    Doesn't excuse Labours lies!

    In December, it was announced the project budget had been increased by
    $110 million – after some $90m of savings were identified."

    I suspect that $110 million is more than National spent on hospital infrastructure during its last year in office - there has been a huge
    call for restoring the system capacity. The government are talking
    about a delay, not a permanent reduction - and the reductions are
    relatively small.

    Doesn't excuse Labour's failure to follow through on it's promise to Dunedin! Besides National put more into health than Clark. something successive governments have been doing for years which doesn't excuse Labours lie to Dunedin!

    and:
    "Health Minister Andrew Little could not be reached for comment on
    Thursday as he was attending a tangi, but previously dismissed
    concerns about the rebuild as “scuttlebutt”.

    He's been telling that lie about his health portfolio since he got it Rich and you've kept repeating the lie here. All you, Little and Labour have: LIES!

    “The decisions on the new Dunedin Hospital are the difficult decisions that have to be made when there is such huge demand after years of neglect,” he said in December."

    So instead of pouring millions into five waters the money would have been better spent making sure they finish what they promised Dunedin five years ago!
    \

    So do you want the government to cut spending, or increase spending,
    John Bowes?
    I'd like to see your government follow through on it's policy's and promises Rich! Something they've failed to do for the last five years and why they'll be an utterly useless grizzling oposition at the end of this year!

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