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  • Co-governance: is 'fear' the new 'useless'?

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 24 20:09:53 2023
    We have nothing to fear from co-governance according to Willie Jackson
    and some others. This is the same Willie Jackson who refers to
    useless Maori like David Seymour and others that oppose co-governance.

    Co-governance is anti-democratic and therefore repugnant to many
    NZers. Fear is not the right word to describe those that oppose the co-governance provisions enshrined in the Water reforms legislation -
    it is an emotive word, implying that those that oppose are only
    capable of fear rather than rational rejection. Co-governance in this incarnation grants equal governance of Water Entities to those than
    can trace their ancestry back to those descended from Maori pre-dating
    European settlement in NZ - even if there has been no Maori for
    several previous generations. They get to appoint 50% of the
    directors despite the fact that there is no pan-Maori organisation
    that can provide democratic director selection options.

    Those of us that oppose this have not reached this conclusion out of
    fear. In 180 years of history since the Treaty was signed by a number
    (but not all) Maori leaders, co-governance has never been proposed
    before (note that previous co-management of small regional resources
    doe not qualify). Co-governance is a new concept born of a political
    ideology.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Crash on Mon Jan 23 23:33:01 2023
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 8:09:50 PM UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    We have nothing to fear from co-governance according to Willie Jackson
    and some others. This is the same Willie Jackson who refers to
    useless Maori like David Seymour and others that oppose co-governance.

    Co-governance is anti-democratic and therefore repugnant to many
    NZers. Fear is not the right word to describe those that oppose the co-governance provisions enshrined in the Water reforms legislation -
    it is an emotive word, implying that those that oppose are only
    capable of fear rather than rational rejection. Co-governance in this incarnation grants equal governance of Water Entities to those than
    can trace their ancestry back to those descended from Maori pre-dating European settlement in NZ - even if there has been no Maori for
    several previous generations. They get to appoint 50% of the
    directors despite the fact that there is no pan-Maori organisation
    that can provide democratic director selection options.

    Those of us that oppose this have not reached this conclusion out of
    fear. In 180 years of history since the Treaty was signed by a number
    (but not all) Maori leaders, co-governance has never been proposed
    before (note that previous co-management of small regional resources
    doe not qualify). Co-governance is a new concept born of a political ideology.


    --
    Crash McBash
    In fact it could be suggested that co-governance goes against the Treaty and everything it stands for. Even our soon to be PM has trouble differentiating between co-management and co-governance...

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Tue Jan 24 20:22:25 2023
    On 2023-01-24, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 8:09:50 PM UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    We have nothing to fear from co-governance according to Willie Jackson
    and some others. This is the same Willie Jackson who refers to
    useless Maori like David Seymour and others that oppose co-governance.

    Co-governance is anti-democratic and therefore repugnant to many
    NZers. Fear is not the right word to describe those that oppose the
    co-governance provisions enshrined in the Water reforms legislation -
    it is an emotive word, implying that those that oppose are only
    capable of fear rather than rational rejection. Co-governance in this
    incarnation grants equal governance of Water Entities to those than
    can trace their ancestry back to those descended from Maori pre-dating
    European settlement in NZ - even if there has been no Maori for
    several previous generations. They get to appoint 50% of the
    directors despite the fact that there is no pan-Maori organisation
    that can provide democratic director selection options.

    Those of us that oppose this have not reached this conclusion out of
    fear. In 180 years of history since the Treaty was signed by a number
    (but not all) Maori leaders, co-governance has never been proposed
    before (note that previous co-management of small regional resources
    doe not qualify). Co-governance is a new concept born of a political
    ideology.


    --
    Crash McBash
    In fact it could be suggested that co-governance goes against the Treaty
    and everything it stands for. Even our soon to be PM has trouble differentiating between co-management and co-governance...

    I see this a deliberate as it enables the watering down of the 5 waters.
    Enough to allow it to move on and not upset those who pushed for it.

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