Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be >DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?What a crock of an article.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be
DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/What a crock of an article.
The lie about what Labour campaigned on in 2017 and 2020 is outstanding - I rarely see lies that big.
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 08:04:37 UTC+13, Tony wrote:policies in a last gasp effort to avoid obliteration in October. Many of these policies are deeply enmeshed with the Maori caucus - the RNZ merger, 5 Waters at the top of the list. Willie and Nanaia will not be best pleased.
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to beWhat a crock of an article.
DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
The lie about what Labour campaigned on in 2017 and 2020 is outstanding - I >> rarely see lies that big.
It is true that the Maori caucus has been snubbed though - they would have expected Allan from their number to be the deputy. This is just the beginning. Chippie will be renamed Choppie soon as he's about to take an axe to Labour's election losing
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:54:14 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>policies in a last gasp effort to avoid obliteration in October. Many of these policies are deeply enmeshed with the Maori caucus - the RNZ merger, 5 Waters at the top of the list. Willie and Nanaia will not be best pleased.
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 08:04:37 UTC+13, Tony wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to beWhat a crock of an article.
DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
The lie about what Labour campaigned on in 2017 and 2020 is outstanding - I
rarely see lies that big.
It is true that the Maori caucus has been snubbed though - they would have expected Allan from their number to be the deputy. This is just the beginning. Chippie will be renamed Choppie soon as he's about to take an axe to Labour's election losing
Its too late for 5 waters - repealing legislation just passed is
unthinkable so Labour are doomed to lose the upcoming election purely
on this policy. The Maori caucus has been remarkably silent since
Ardern resigned - the calm before a storm?
--
Crash McBash
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:54:14 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>policies in a last gasp effort to avoid obliteration in October. Many of these policies are deeply enmeshed with the Maori caucus - the RNZ merger, 5 Waters at the top of the list. Willie and Nanaia will not be best pleased.
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 08:04:37 UTC+13, Tony wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to beWhat a crock of an article.
DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
The lie about what Labour campaigned on in 2017 and 2020 is outstanding - I
rarely see lies that big.
It is true that the Maori caucus has been snubbed though - they would have expected Allan from their number to be the deputy. This is just the beginning. Chippie will be renamed Choppie soon as he's about to take an axe to Labour's election losing
Its too late for 5 waters - repealing legislation just passed is
unthinkable so Labour are doomed to lose the upcoming election purely
on this policy. The Maori caucus has been remarkably silent since
Ardern resigned - the calm before a storm?
--Or are they just sulking? :)
Crash McBash
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:03:41 AM UTC+13, Crash wrote:policies in a last gasp effort to avoid obliteration in October. Many of these policies are deeply enmeshed with the Maori caucus - the RNZ merger, 5 Waters at the top of the list. Willie and Nanaia will not be best pleased.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:54:14 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 08:04:37 UTC+13, Tony wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to beWhat a crock of an article.
DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
The lie about what Labour campaigned on in 2017 and 2020 is outstanding - I
rarely see lies that big.
It is true that the Maori caucus has been snubbed though - they would have expected Allan from their number to be the deputy. This is just the beginning. Chippie will be renamed Choppie soon as he's about to take an axe to Labour's election losing
Its too late for 5 waters - repealing legislation just passed isOr are they just sulking? :)
unthinkable so Labour are doomed to lose the upcoming election purely
on this policy. The Maori caucus has been remarkably silent since
Ardern resigned - the calm before a storm?
--
Crash McBash
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 09:03:41 UTC+13, Crash wrote:policies in a last gasp effort to avoid obliteration in October. Many of these policies are deeply enmeshed with the Maori caucus - the RNZ merger, 5 Waters at the top of the list. Willie and Nanaia will not be best pleased.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:54:14 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 08:04:37 UTC+13, Tony wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to beWhat a crock of an article.
DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
The lie about what Labour campaigned on in 2017 and 2020 is outstanding - I
rarely see lies that big.
It is true that the Maori caucus has been snubbed though - they would have expected Allan from their number to be the deputy. This is just the beginning. Chippie will be renamed Choppie soon as he's about to take an axe to Labour's election losing
news is that this government is so utterly hopeless at implementation that the supertanker is still in the shipyard being bolted together from mismatched parts.Its too late for 5 waters - repealing legislation just passed is
unthinkable so Labour are doomed to lose the upcoming election purely
on this policy. The Maori caucus has been remarkably silent since
Ardern resigned - the calm before a storm?
The legislation can be reversed at leisure. The main thing is to drop the project like a radioactive potato and cease implementing it (or indeed spending money). However such policies are like supertankers - hard to stop once they're moving. The good
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-hipkins-as-prime-minister-expect-him-to-ditch-three-waters-tvnzrnz-merger-david-cunliffe/EA4DRWJW3ZC37KRUA6LN6HWKXQ/
--
Crash McBash
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for theOr so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from atIt was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for theOr so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for theOr so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >>> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >>> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it hasAnd on that basis, here is another opinion: https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:57:45 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >> >> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >However it has a lot more veracity than any of your posts Rich! Your blind and stupid attack on her suggests you secretly support the attacks Ardern rightfully received...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>And on that basis, here is another opinion: https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>However it has a lot more veracity than any of your posts Rich! Your blind and stupid attack on her suggests you secretly support the attacks Ardern rightfully received...
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally discredits any opinion you might publish.
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:And on that basis, here is another opinion: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else >>>>does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable >>>> > >>to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the >>>>opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >>>> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >>>> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in >>>2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot >>>routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a >globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the >National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally >discredits any opinion you might publish.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:And on that basis, here is another opinion: >>https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the >>>>>opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >>>>> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >>>>> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >>>>> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in >>>>2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot >>>>routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou >>mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves >>advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes >>local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste >>pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a >>globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the >>National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:21:22 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You are of course entitled to your unsupported personal opinion, Tony.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>wrote:National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally >discredits any opinion you might publish.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> >>>>> > wrote:You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the >>>>>opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >>>>> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no >>>>> > indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >>>>> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >>>>> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in >>>>2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot >>>>routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has >>>no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >>And on that basis, here is another opinion: >>https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou >>mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves >>advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes >>local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste >>pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a >>globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the >>National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:32:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:57:45 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >>> >> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >>> >> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >>However it has a lot more veracity than any of your posts Rich! Your blind and stupid attack on her suggests you secretly support the attacks Ardern rightfully received...
Of course I have not - many of your attacks on the Prime Minister were
based okn her being female
- yes Claudette Hauiti is female, and on
the subject of her opinion it is relevant that she has Maori
connections, but this is overshadowed by her political connections -
see more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Hauiti - There is
however little in her political career that suggests her opinions are representative of most Maori.
But as far as the sort of mysoginist attacks that you favour, read
what I have written and ask your self would any of what I have written
be less valid if the author had been Claude Hauiti?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:21:22 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnd you should provide support of outlandish claims that National and ACT are far right - so either do that or go to blazes where you belong.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally >>discredits any opinion you might publish.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote:You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone >>>>>>else
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone
suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for theGood. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the >>>>>>opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >>>>>> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no >>>>>> > indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >>>>>> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >>>>>> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in >>>>>2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a >>>>>political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot >>>>>routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has >>>>no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >>>And on that basis, here is another opinion: >>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou >>>mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves >>>advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes >>>local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste >>>pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a >>>globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the >>>National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
You are of course entitled to your unsupported personal opinion, Tony.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:32:51 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:57:45 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Of course I have not - many of your attacks on the Prime Minister were
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >> >> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >> >> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >However it has a lot more veracity than any of your posts Rich! Your blind and stupid attack on her suggests you secretly support the attacks Ardern rightfully received...
based okn her being female - yes Claudette Hauiti is female, and on
the subject of her opinion it is relevant that she has Maori
connections, but this is overshadowed by her political connections -
see more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Hauiti - There is however little in her political career that suggests her opinions are representative of most Maori.
But as far as the sort of mysoginist attacks that you favour, read
what I have written and ask your self would any of what I have written
be less valid if the author had been Claude Hauiti?
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>wrote:And on that basis, here is another opinion: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the >>>>opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >>>> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >>>> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >>>> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in >>>2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot >>>routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou >mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves >advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes >local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste >pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a >globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the >National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally discredits any opinion you might publish.
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:32:51 -0800 (PST), John BowesBesides unlike so many of your inglorious Labour MP's Hauiti had enough honour that she stepped down from parliament! But guess inconvenient facts like that don't mean shit to wankers like you Rich. Pity more of your inglorious Labour MPs don't have the
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:57:45 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Of course I have not - many of your attacks on the Prime Minister were
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >> >> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >> >> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >However it has a lot more veracity than any of your posts Rich! Your blind and stupid attack on her suggests you secretly support the attacks Ardern rightfully received...
based okn her being female - yes Claudette Hauiti is female, and on
the subject of her opinion it is relevant that she has Maori
connections, but this is overshadowed by her political connections -
see more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Hauiti - There is however little in her political career that suggests her opinions are representative of most Maori.
But as far as the sort of mysoginist attacks that you favour, read
what I have written and ask your self would any of what I have written
be less valid if the author had been Claude Hauiti?
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:46:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:gumption Ardern showed when she realised she was as useless as so many have been saying...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:32:51 -0800 (PST), John BowesBesides unlike so many of your inglorious Labour MP's Hauiti had enough honour that she stepped down from parliament! But guess inconvenient facts like that don't mean shit to wankers like you Rich. Pity more of your inglorious Labour MPs don't have the
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:57:45 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Of course I have not - many of your attacks on the Prime Minister were
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>However it has a lot more veracity than any of your posts Rich! Your blind and stupid attack on her suggests you secretly support the attacks Ardern rightfully received...
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >> >> >> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >> >> >> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
based okn her being female - yes Claudette Hauiti is female, and on
the subject of her opinion it is relevant that she has Maori
connections, but this is overshadowed by her political connections -
see more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Hauiti - There is
however little in her political career that suggests her opinions are
representative of most Maori.
But as far as the sort of mysoginist attacks that you favour, read
what I have written and ask your self would any of what I have written
be less valid if the author had been Claude Hauiti?
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>And on that basis, here is another opinion:
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the >> >>>>opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP >> >>>> > to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it >> >>>> > without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in >> >>>2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot
routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a
globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the
National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
discredits any opinion you might publish.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:23:16 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally >> discredits any opinion you might publish.
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> >> >>>> > wrote:You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >> >>>> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no >> >>>> > indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in
2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot >> >>>routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has >> >>no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >> >And on that basis, here is another opinion:
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou >> >mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes >> >local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a
globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the
National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
pretend that they are not. Consistently however they provide no
evidence of their assertions
See:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
and the similar chart for 2017.
From those charts, National was at +8 (out of 10) to the Right
economically for both 2017 and 2020; Labour moved from +3 to +5.5
(more to the right), and ACT moved from +9 to +9.5 - a very small
change, but the big change was going from more authoritarian than
National to nearly as libertarian as the Green Party.
Now the very far-right nutters are more nutter than right wing - Chris
Luxon supported political parties not talking to the irrational
Wellington protestors, but Seymour, wearing his libertarian hat, was
better able to seek votes by partially agreeing that people should be
able to make decisions for themselves on a lot more things than
National would tolerate.
Individual supporters of political parties may well not assess
themselves at the same point as the party as a whole - David Farrar
for example identified quite a few years ago (around the time he
stopped posting to nz.general and started Kiwiblog) his views as being
close to where the ACT Party is now - it is not suprising that he is
now seen as supporting both ACT and National . . .
A pretence that the National party is not right-wing is of course a
farcical assertion - they are much more neo-liberal than they used to
be under Muldoon of course, but Luxon appears to want to return to the policies of Ruthenasia - for National, the biggest change over time
has been that they have become a lot more authoritarian; they are
however also slightly more right wing than they used to be (compare
the assessments going back to 2008 for example.
Now I predict Tony and the Johns will object; but I also predict they
will have nothing to base that opinion on than their own opinion -
which has in so many aspects has proved them wrong time after time . .
.
So I will not believe an opinion from the far-right posters to
nz.general - I predict they will be unable to give evidence of
National being less right wing than they have been assessed at the
political compass - or that they willprovide any credible literature
to support their personal views . . .
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:22:10 -0800 (PST), John Bowesthe gumption Ardern showed when she realised she was as useless as so many have been saying...
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:46:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:32:51 -0800 (PST), John BowesBesides unlike so many of your inglorious Labour MP's Hauiti had enough honour that she stepped down from parliament! But guess inconvenient facts like that don't mean shit to wankers like you Rich. Pity more of your inglorious Labour MPs don't have
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:57:45 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Of course I have not - many of your attacks on the Prime Minister were
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has >> >> no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >> >However it has a lot more veracity than any of your posts Rich! Your blind and stupid attack on her suggests you secretly support the attacks Ardern rightfully received...
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> >> >> >> > wrote:It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the >> >> >> You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else does.
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no >> >> >> > indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in 2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot routinely vomits onto this NG.
based okn her being female - yes Claudette Hauiti is female, and on
the subject of her opinion it is relevant that she has Maori
connections, but this is overshadowed by her political connections -
see more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Hauiti - There is
however little in her political career that suggests her opinions are
representative of most Maori.
But as far as the sort of mysoginist attacks that you favour, read
what I have written and ask your self would any of what I have written
be less valid if the author had been Claude Hauiti?
Honour is certainly desirable in an MP - from teh site above:
"Political career
New Zealand Parliament
Years Term Electorate List Party
2013–2014 50th List 63 National
During the 2010 Auckland local elections, Hauiti stood for the
Albert-Eden Local Board in the Owairaka Subdivision. Representing
Citizens & Ratepayers, she was not elected.
Hauiti stood in the Mangere electorate during the 2011 general
election representing National,[12] losing to Labour's William Sio.
Following Aaron Gilmore's resignation, Hauiti replaced him as a list
MP on 28 May 2013.[13][14][3]
In March 2014 she returned her parliamentary charge card to
Parliamentary Services, after using it to pay for a Christmas trip to Australia.[15] In April 2014 she breached parliament rules by
employing her wife as an assistant in her electorate office. She said
she was unaware of the rule and immediately terminated the employment
after being made aware.[16]
Hauiti announced her resignation from politics on 22 July 2014, after
having already been selected as the candidate for Kelston in the
upcoming election.[17] She was replaced by Chris Penk.[18] She left Parliament prior to the election date to return to her private
business.
Post-parliament
In December 2014 and again in January 2015 Hauiti re-appeared in media
when she was found to have spent approximately $23,000 on MP's
expenses despite her known decision to stand down.[19] "
And regarding her decision not to stand for Kelston, see https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-mp-claudette-hauiti-calls-it-quits/BUUFQFWMOEDTQYRQ55AWQ2NPWY/
" . . . New Zealand First leader Winston Peters called it a National
Party cover-up.
"That's as plain as day and night. She has had you believe that she
has resigned. She is just not standing again at the election. That is
not accountability.
"She's standing down without any accountability from the National
Party, the whips or the Prime Minister."
He said the National Party should reveal how much money Mrs Hauiti
misspent.
"I don't believe it was $200 for a start. You try and have an overseas
trip on $200.
"They throw allegations around at everyone else. When it comes to themselves, there's no accountability at all. They thought they could
do a snow-job and say nothing at all."
Winston Peters had the measure of National then, and his comments are
still pertinent.
(Kelston was a new electorate in 2014, and has been held by CarmelTry looking at the records of many Labour MPs' who've stuffed up over the years Rich and see how long the few who left were in parliament after they'd fucked up! None of your so called support of your utterly stupid post is worth shit! So typical of woke
Sepuloni since then, her percentage of votes being 2014 50.9% (Penk
for National 32.8%), 2017 54.17% (Beeram for National 30.7%), and 2020 62.8%, (Beeram 18.5%) )
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:48:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:font of knowledge by now...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:23:16 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally >> >> discredits any opinion you might publish.
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> >> >> >>>> > wrote:You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at >> >> >>>> > least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no >> >> >>>> > indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in
2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot >> >> >>>routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has >> >> >>no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread. >> >> >And on that basis, here is another opinion:
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou >> >> >mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes >> >> >local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a
globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the
National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather
pretend that they are not. Consistently however they provide no
evidence of their assertions
See:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
and the similar chart for 2017.
Why do you keep dragging out this thoroughly discredited piece of garbage Rich? I know it's hard for you to accept that something you rely on for your biased political posts but I'd have thought the fact it's garbage would have sunk into your imbecilic
Give a reference for that assertion - or apologise for just expressing
From those charts, National was at +8 (out of 10) to the Right
economically for both 2017 and 2020; Labour moved from +3 to +5.5
(more to the right), and ACT moved from +9 to +9.5 - a very small
change, but the big change was going from more authoritarian than
National to nearly as libertarian as the Green Party.
National are closer to centerist than either of the totalitarian party's Labour and Watermelon that you blindly support Rich as is ACT who've spoken out more for ordinary New Zealanders!
<utter garbage snipped>
Now the very far-right nutters are more nutter than right wing - Chris
Luxon supported political parties not talking to the irrational
Wellington protestors, but Seymour, wearing his libertarian hat, was
better able to seek votes by partially agreeing that people should be
able to make decisions for themselves on a lot more things than
National would tolerate.
Yet far left nutters like you are just imbecilic Marxists who want everyone marching in step with the totalitarian Labour/Watermelon far right nutters!
Individual supporters of political parties may well not assess
themselves at the same point as the party as a whole - David Farrar
for example identified quite a few years ago (around the time he
stopped posting to nz.general and started Kiwiblog) his views as being
close to where the ACT Party is now - it is not suprising that he is
now seen as supporting both ACT and National . . .
He does it because unlike you and Ardern he cares for New Zealand and doesn't want to see it turned into the north Korea of the South Pacific!
What rubbish - thanks to Jacinda''s actions, most New Zealanders are
A pretence that the National party is not right-wing is of course a
farcical assertion - they are much more neo-liberal than they used to
be under Muldoon of course, but Luxon appears to want to return to the
policies of Ruthenasia - for National, the biggest change over time
has been that they have become a lot more authoritarian; they are
however also slightly more right wing than they used to be (compare
the assessments going back to 2008 for example.
Better than continuing on the apartheid trail Labour wants to take us!
You have no alternative narrative to support your frankly silly
Now I predict Tony and the Johns will object; but I also predict they
will have nothing to base that opinion on than their own opinion -
which has in so many aspects has proved them wrong time after time . .
.
Whereas in this case you've used the farcical political compass to hopefully support was in actual fact utter garbage even worse than the garbage you usually push. Just because your new glorious leader has snubbed his Maori caucus :)
So I will not believe an opinion from the far-right posters to
nz.general - I predict they will be unable to give evidence of
National being less right wing than they have been assessed at the
political compass - or that they willprovide any credible literature
to support their personal views . . .
It's okay Rich. I'm pretty sure that like me all the other posters in this ng just get a good belly laugh out of your biased and unsupported (even with cites) opinions :)
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:12:57 -0800 (PST), John Bowesimbecilic font of knowledge by now...
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:48:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:23:16 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >> >> >wrote:National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >> >> >>wrote:And on that basis, here is another opinion:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >>>> > On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
wrote:does.
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the >> >> >>>> You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of >> >> >>>> > National.
opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in
2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot
routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves >> >> >advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role >> >> >of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a >> >> >globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the >> >> >National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from >> >> >the far-right, including National and ACT.
discredits any opinion you might publish.
extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather
pretend that they are not. Consistently however they provide no
evidence of their assertions
See:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
and the similar chart for 2017.
Why do you keep dragging out this thoroughly discredited piece of garbage Rich? I know it's hard for you to accept that something you rely on for your biased political posts but I'd have thought the fact it's garbage would have sunk into your
So who discredited it? If you cannot give a reference then you are
just lying yet again.
From those charts, National was at +8 (out of 10) to the Right
economically for both 2017 and 2020; Labour moved from +3 to +5.5
(more to the right), and ACT moved from +9 to +9.5 - a very small
change, but the big change was going from more authoritarian than
National to nearly as libertarian as the Green Party.
National are closer to centerist than either of the totalitarian party's Labour and Watermelon that you blindly support Rich as is ACT who've spoken out more for ordinary New Zealanders!Give a reference for that assertion - or apologise for just expressing
a personal opinion - which is wrong as usual from your posts
<utter garbage snipped>
Now the very far-right nutters are more nutter than right wing - Chris
Luxon supported political parties not talking to the irrational
Wellington protestors, but Seymour, wearing his libertarian hat, was
better able to seek votes by partially agreeing that people should be
able to make decisions for themselves on a lot more things than
National would tolerate.
Yet far left nutters like you are just imbecilic Marxists who want everyone marching in step with the totalitarian Labour/Watermelon far right nutters!On the Political Compass Test, my result is about +2, +2 - closer to
Labour than The Green Party, but slightly less right wing and more libertarian. It chas varied a bit over the years, but not much.
What was your score - or were you not able to completet he test
through not understanding the questions?
Individual supporters of political parties may well not assess
themselves at the same point as the party as a whole - David Farrar
for example identified quite a few years ago (around the time he
stopped posting to nz.general and started Kiwiblog) his views as being
close to where the ACT Party is now - it is not suprising that he is
now seen as supporting both ACT and National . . .
He does it because unlike you and Ardern he cares for New Zealand and doesn't want to see it turned into the north Korea of the South Pacific!Understandable as National has become less popular since Key decided
he had had enough - now they are bringing back Collins!
A pretence that the National party is not right-wing is of course a
farcical assertion - they are much more neo-liberal than they used to
be under Muldoon of course, but Luxon appears to want to return to the
policies of Ruthenasia - for National, the biggest change over time
has been that they have become a lot more authoritarian; they are
however also slightly more right wing than they used to be (compare
the assessments going back to 2008 for example.
Better than continuing on the apartheid trail Labour wants to take us!What rubbish - thanks to Jacinda''s actions, most New Zealanders are
much more tolerant of different groups - her attitude following the Christchurch shooting has lot to do with that. Again you provide no
evidence of your silly statement.
Now I predict Tony and the Johns will object; but I also predict they
will have nothing to base that opinion on than their own opinion -
which has in so many aspects has proved them wrong time after time . .
.
Whereas in this case you've used the farcical political compass to hopefully support was in actual fact utter garbage even worse than the garbage you usually push. Just because your new glorious leader has snubbed his Maori caucus :)You have no alternative narrative to support your frankly silly
assertions. You lose, John Bowes
So I will not believe an opinion from the far-right posters to
nz.general - I predict they will be unable to give evidence of
National being less right wing than they have been assessed at the
political compass - or that they willprovide any credible literature
to support their personal views . . .
It's okay Rich. I'm pretty sure that like me all the other posters in this ng just get a good belly laugh out of your biased and unsupported (even with cites) opinions :)Your biased and usupported personal opinions (without any cites) are
of course just rubbish.
You lose again, John Bowes!
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:10:16 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:imbecilic font of knowledge by now...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:12:57 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:48:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:23:16 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >> >> >> >wrote:National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >>wrote:And on that basis, here is another opinion:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >> >>>> > On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
wrote:does.
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the >> >> >> >>>> You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of >> >> >> >>>> > National.
opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in
2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot
routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves >> >> >> >advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role >> >> >> >of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a >> >> >> >globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the >> >> >> >National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from >> >> >> >the far-right, including National and ACT.
discredits any opinion you might publish.
extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather
pretend that they are not. Consistently however they provide no
evidence of their assertions
See:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
and the similar chart for 2017.
Why do you keep dragging out this thoroughly discredited piece of garbage Rich? I know it's hard for you to accept that something you rely on for your biased political posts but I'd have thought the fact it's garbage would have sunk into your
None of them gave any reasons not to respect the Political Compass, or identified any criticism from anyone else.So who discredited it? If you cannot give a reference then you are
just lying yet again.
You know damn well who refuted the bullshit political compass Rich. Go ask JohnO or Crash or Tony about it!
Your claims are bullshit and conflict with The Political Compass,Give a reference for that assertion - or apologise for just expressing
From those charts, National was at +8 (out of 10) to the Right
economically for both 2017 and 2020; Labour moved from +3 to +5.5
(more to the right), and ACT moved from +9 to +9.5 - a very small
change, but the big change was going from more authoritarian than
National to nearly as libertarian as the Green Party.
National are closer to centerist than either of the totalitarian party's Labour and Watermelon that you blindly support Rich as is ACT who've spoken out more for ordinary New Zealanders!
a personal opinion - which is wrong as usual from your posts
Fuck off Rich. You've provided no legitimate cites for your stupidity and you know why your stupidity is being questioned!
Just because you do not have sufficient skills to complete the test<utter garbage snipped>On the Political Compass Test, my result is about +2, +2 - closer to
Now the very far-right nutters are more nutter than right wing - Chris
Luxon supported political parties not talking to the irrational
Wellington protestors, but Seymour, wearing his libertarian hat, was
better able to seek votes by partially agreeing that people should be
able to make decisions for themselves on a lot more things than
National would tolerate.
Yet far left nutters like you are just imbecilic Marxists who want everyone marching in step with the totalitarian Labour/Watermelon far right nutters!
Labour than The Green Party, but slightly less right wing and more
libertarian. It chas varied a bit over the years, but not much.
What was your score - or were you not able to completet he test
through not understanding the questions?
Got better things to do with my time than waste it on garbage like the political compass Rich. I'm centrist like Tony, Crash and JohnO. Something your to fucking stupid to understand or accept!
You are entitled to hope, even when you do not understand.Understandable as National has become less popular since Key decided
Individual supporters of political parties may well not assess
themselves at the same point as the party as a whole - David Farrar
for example identified quite a few years ago (around the time he
stopped posting to nz.general and started Kiwiblog) his views as being
close to where the ACT Party is now - it is not suprising that he is
now seen as supporting both ACT and National . . .
He does it because unlike you and Ardern he cares for New Zealand and doesn't want to see it turned into the north Korea of the South Pacific!
he had had enough - now they are bringing back Collins!
Now they're more popular than Labour/Watermelon and well on the way to being the next government with ACT!
Rubbish - your personal opinion clearly has no value.What rubbish - thanks to Jacinda''s actions, most New Zealanders are
A pretence that the National party is not right-wing is of course a
farcical assertion - they are much more neo-liberal than they used to
be under Muldoon of course, but Luxon appears to want to return to the
policies of Ruthenasia - for National, the biggest change over time
has been that they have become a lot more authoritarian; they are
however also slightly more right wing than they used to be (compare
the assessments going back to 2008 for example.
Better than continuing on the apartheid trail Labour wants to take us!
much more tolerant of different groups - her attitude following the
Christchurch shooting has lot to do with that. Again you provide no
evidence of your silly statement.
Her attitude after the Christchurch massacre was just a kneejerk reaction of a scared little Marxist!
You asked for it; I provided it; you do not understand it and cannotYou have no alternative narrative to support your frankly silly
Now I predict Tony and the Johns will object; but I also predict they
will have nothing to base that opinion on than their own opinion -
which has in so many aspects has proved them wrong time after time . .
.
Whereas in this case you've used the farcical political compass to hopefully support was in actual fact utter garbage even worse than the garbage you usually push. Just because your new glorious leader has snubbed his Maori caucus :)
assertions. You lose, John Bowes
You lost as soon as you dragged out the stupid political compass as you have every single time you've dragged it out. But guess we can't expect anything else from misandist fucking imbecile like you!
You probably think all that means something. Sorry, it does not.Your biased and usupported personal opinions (without any cites) are
So I will not believe an opinion from the far-right posters to
nz.general - I predict they will be unable to give evidence of
National being less right wing than they have been assessed at the
political compass - or that they willprovide any credible literature
to support their personal views . . .
It's okay Rich. I'm pretty sure that like me all the other posters in this ng just get a good belly laugh out of your biased and unsupported (even with cites) opinions :)
of course just rubbish.
The only thing I need to support my opinion about you is a grizzly post like this Rich. Nothing you've posted supports your claims. It only supports my claim your a fucking imbecile without any doubt :)
You lose again, John Bowes
You lose again, John Bowes!
Only in what passes for your pea sized brain Rich. In reality you've lost just like your stupid ex PM. Take a leaf out of her book and fuck off :)
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 23:49:54 -0800 (PST), John Bowesimbecilic font of knowledge by now...
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:10:16 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:12:57 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:48:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:23:16 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:pretend that they are not. Consistently however they provide no
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :) >> >> The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being >> >> extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>And on that basis, here is another opinion:
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in
2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot
routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste >> >> >> >pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a
globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the
National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion, >> >> >> >which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
discredits any opinion you might publish.
evidence of their assertions
See:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
and the similar chart for 2017.
Why do you keep dragging out this thoroughly discredited piece of garbage Rich? I know it's hard for you to accept that something you rely on for your biased political posts but I'd have thought the fact it's garbage would have sunk into your
So who discredited it? If you cannot give a reference then you are
just lying yet again.
You know damn well who refuted the bullshit political compass Rich. Go ask JohnO or Crash or Tony about it!None of them gave any reasons not to respect the Political Compass, or identified any criticism from anyone else.
So you cannot discredit it either. I am not surprised.
Give a reference for that assertion - or apologise for just expressing
From those charts, National was at +8 (out of 10) to the Right
economically for both 2017 and 2020; Labour moved from +3 to +5.5
(more to the right), and ACT moved from +9 to +9.5 - a very small
change, but the big change was going from more authoritarian than
National to nearly as libertarian as the Green Party.
National are closer to centerist than either of the totalitarian party's Labour and Watermelon that you blindly support Rich as is ACT who've spoken out more for ordinary New Zealanders!
a personal opinion - which is wrong as usual from your posts
Fuck off Rich. You've provided no legitimate cites for your stupidity and you know why your stupidity is being questioned!Your claims are bullshit and conflict with The Political Compass,
which you have not been able to give any criticism other than your unsupported and unjustified personal opinion.
<utter garbage snipped>On the Political Compass Test, my result is about +2, +2 - closer to
Now the very far-right nutters are more nutter than right wing - Chris >> >> Luxon supported political parties not talking to the irrational
Wellington protestors, but Seymour, wearing his libertarian hat, was >> >> better able to seek votes by partially agreeing that people should be >> >> able to make decisions for themselves on a lot more things than
National would tolerate.
Yet far left nutters like you are just imbecilic Marxists who want everyone marching in step with the totalitarian Labour/Watermelon far right nutters!
Labour than The Green Party, but slightly less right wing and more
libertarian. It chas varied a bit over the years, but not much.
What was your score - or were you not able to completet he test
through not understanding the questions?
Got better things to do with my time than waste it on garbage like the political compass Rich. I'm centrist like Tony, Crash and JohnO. Something your to fucking stupid to understand or accept!Just because you do not have sufficient skills to complete the test
does not make anyone else stupid, John Bowes.
Understandable as National has become less popular since Key decided
Individual supporters of political parties may well not assess
themselves at the same point as the party as a whole - David Farrar
for example identified quite a few years ago (around the time he
stopped posting to nz.general and started Kiwiblog) his views as being >> >> close to where the ACT Party is now - it is not suprising that he is >> >> now seen as supporting both ACT and National . . .
He does it because unlike you and Ardern he cares for New Zealand and doesn't want to see it turned into the north Korea of the South Pacific!
he had had enough - now they are bringing back Collins!
Now they're more popular than Labour/Watermelon and well on the way to being the next government with ACT!You are entitled to hope, even when you do not understand.
much more tolerant of different groups - her attitude following the
A pretence that the National party is not right-wing is of course a
farcical assertion - they are much more neo-liberal than they used to >> >> be under Muldoon of course, but Luxon appears to want to return to the >> >> policies of Ruthenasia - for National, the biggest change over time
has been that they have become a lot more authoritarian; they are
however also slightly more right wing than they used to be (compare
the assessments going back to 2008 for example.
Better than continuing on the apartheid trail Labour wants to take us! >> What rubbish - thanks to Jacinda''s actions, most New Zealanders are
Christchurch shooting has lot to do with that. Again you provide no
evidence of your silly statement.
Her attitude after the Christchurch massacre was just a kneejerk reaction of a scared little Marxist!Rubbish - your personal opinion clearly has no value.
You have no alternative narrative to support your frankly silly
Now I predict Tony and the Johns will object; but I also predict they >> >> will have nothing to base that opinion on than their own opinion -
which has in so many aspects has proved them wrong time after time . . >> >> .
Whereas in this case you've used the farcical political compass to hopefully support was in actual fact utter garbage even worse than the garbage you usually push. Just because your new glorious leader has snubbed his Maori caucus :)
assertions. You lose, John Bowes
You lost as soon as you dragged out the stupid political compass as you have every single time you've dragged it out. But guess we can't expect anything else from misandist fucking imbecile like you!You asked for it; I provided it; you do not understand it and cannot
support your misunderstandings with any references.
Your biased and usupported personal opinions (without any cites) are
So I will not believe an opinion from the far-right posters to
nz.general - I predict they will be unable to give evidence of
National being less right wing than they have been assessed at the
political compass - or that they willprovide any credible literature >> >> to support their personal views . . .
It's okay Rich. I'm pretty sure that like me all the other posters in this ng just get a good belly laugh out of your biased and unsupported (even with cites) opinions :)
of course just rubbish.
The only thing I need to support my opinion about you is a grizzly post like this Rich. Nothing you've posted supports your claims. It only supports my claim your a fucking imbecile without any doubt :)You probably think all that means something. Sorry, it does not.
You lose again, John Bowes!
Only in what passes for your pea sized brain Rich. In reality you've lost just like your stupid ex PM. Take a leaf out of her book and fuck off :)You lose again, John Bowes
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 23:16:18 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:imbecilic font of knowledge by now...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 23:49:54 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:10:16 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:12:57 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:48:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:23:16 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>And on that basis, here is another opinion:
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in
2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot
routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a
globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the
National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
discredits any opinion you might publish.
extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather >> >> pretend that they are not. Consistently however they provide no
evidence of their assertions
See:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
and the similar chart for 2017.
Why do you keep dragging out this thoroughly discredited piece of garbage Rich? I know it's hard for you to accept that something you rely on for your biased political posts but I'd have thought the fact it's garbage would have sunk into your
So who discredited it? If you cannot give a reference then you are
just lying yet again.
You know damn well who refuted the bullshit political compass Rich. Go ask JohnO or Crash or Tony about it!None of them gave any reasons not to respect the Political Compass, or identified any criticism from anyone else.
So you cannot discredit it either. I am not surprised.
Give a reference for that assertion - or apologise for just expressing >> a personal opinion - which is wrong as usual from your posts
From those charts, National was at +8 (out of 10) to the Right
economically for both 2017 and 2020; Labour moved from +3 to +5.5
(more to the right), and ACT moved from +9 to +9.5 - a very small
change, but the big change was going from more authoritarian than
National to nearly as libertarian as the Green Party.
National are closer to centerist than either of the totalitarian party's Labour and Watermelon that you blindly support Rich as is ACT who've spoken out more for ordinary New Zealanders!
Fuck off Rich. You've provided no legitimate cites for your stupidity and you know why your stupidity is being questioned!Your claims are bullshit and conflict with The Political Compass,
which you have not been able to give any criticism other than your unsupported and unjustified personal opinion.
<utter garbage snipped>On the Political Compass Test, my result is about +2, +2 - closer to
Now the very far-right nutters are more nutter than right wing - Chris
Luxon supported political parties not talking to the irrational
Wellington protestors, but Seymour, wearing his libertarian hat, was >> >> better able to seek votes by partially agreeing that people should be
able to make decisions for themselves on a lot more things than
National would tolerate.
Yet far left nutters like you are just imbecilic Marxists who want everyone marching in step with the totalitarian Labour/Watermelon far right nutters!
Labour than The Green Party, but slightly less right wing and more
libertarian. It chas varied a bit over the years, but not much.
What was your score - or were you not able to completet he test
through not understanding the questions?
Got better things to do with my time than waste it on garbage like the political compass Rich. I'm centrist like Tony, Crash and JohnO. Something your to fucking stupid to understand or accept!Just because you do not have sufficient skills to complete the test
does not make anyone else stupid, John Bowes.
Understandable as National has become less popular since Key decided
Individual supporters of political parties may well not assess
themselves at the same point as the party as a whole - David Farrar >> >> for example identified quite a few years ago (around the time he
stopped posting to nz.general and started Kiwiblog) his views as being
close to where the ACT Party is now - it is not suprising that he is >> >> now seen as supporting both ACT and National . . .
He does it because unlike you and Ardern he cares for New Zealand and doesn't want to see it turned into the north Korea of the South Pacific!
he had had enough - now they are bringing back Collins!
Now they're more popular than Labour/Watermelon and well on the way to being the next government with ACT!You are entitled to hope, even when you do not understand.
much more tolerant of different groups - her attitude following the
A pretence that the National party is not right-wing is of course a >> >> farcical assertion - they are much more neo-liberal than they used to
be under Muldoon of course, but Luxon appears to want to return to the
policies of Ruthenasia - for National, the biggest change over time >> >> has been that they have become a lot more authoritarian; they are
however also slightly more right wing than they used to be (compare >> >> the assessments going back to 2008 for example.
Better than continuing on the apartheid trail Labour wants to take us! >> What rubbish - thanks to Jacinda''s actions, most New Zealanders are
Christchurch shooting has lot to do with that. Again you provide no
evidence of your silly statement.
Her attitude after the Christchurch massacre was just a kneejerk reaction of a scared little Marxist!Rubbish - your personal opinion clearly has no value.
You have no alternative narrative to support your frankly silly
Now I predict Tony and the Johns will object; but I also predict they
will have nothing to base that opinion on than their own opinion - >> >> which has in so many aspects has proved them wrong time after time . .
.
Whereas in this case you've used the farcical political compass to hopefully support was in actual fact utter garbage even worse than the garbage you usually push. Just because your new glorious leader has snubbed his Maori caucus :)
assertions. You lose, John Bowes
You lost as soon as you dragged out the stupid political compass as you have every single time you've dragged it out. But guess we can't expect anything else from misandist fucking imbecile like you!You asked for it; I provided it; you do not understand it and cannot support your misunderstandings with any references.
Your biased and usupported personal opinions (without any cites) are
So I will not believe an opinion from the far-right posters to
nz.general - I predict they will be unable to give evidence of
National being less right wing than they have been assessed at the >> >> political compass - or that they willprovide any credible literature >> >> to support their personal views . . .
It's okay Rich. I'm pretty sure that like me all the other posters in this ng just get a good belly laugh out of your biased and unsupported (even with cites) opinions :)
of course just rubbish.
The only thing I need to support my opinion about you is a grizzly post like this Rich. Nothing you've posted supports your claims. It only supports my claim your a fucking imbecile without any doubt :)You probably think all that means something. Sorry, it does not.
You lose again, John Bowes!
Dickbot loses every time. It's a sad consequence of its fundamentally subnormal IQ.Only in what passes for your pea sized brain Rich. In reality you've lost just like your stupid ex PM. Take a leaf out of her book and fuck off :)You lose again, John Bowes
This guy has a clearly above normal IQ, and explains why the Political Compass is intrinsically flawed. Probably has too many big words for Dickbot though.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/10/the-other-right-whats-wrong-with-the-political-compass/
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 23:16:18 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:imbecilic font of knowledge by now...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 23:49:54 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:10:16 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:12:57 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:48:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:23:16 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:pretend that they are not. Consistently however they provide no
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :) >> >> >> The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being >> >> >> extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>And on that basis, here is another opinion:
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in
2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot
routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste >> >> >> >> >pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a
globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the
National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion, >> >> >> >> >which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
discredits any opinion you might publish.
evidence of their assertions
See:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
and the similar chart for 2017.
Why do you keep dragging out this thoroughly discredited piece of garbage Rich? I know it's hard for you to accept that something you rely on for your biased political posts but I'd have thought the fact it's garbage would have sunk into your
None of them gave any reasons not to respect the Political Compass, orSo who discredited it? If you cannot give a reference then you are
just lying yet again.
You know damn well who refuted the bullshit political compass Rich. Go ask JohnO or Crash or Tony about it!
identified any criticism from anyone else.
So you cannot discredit it either. I am not surprised.
Your claims are bullshit and conflict with The Political Compass,
Give a reference for that assertion - or apologise for just expressing
From those charts, National was at +8 (out of 10) to the Right
economically for both 2017 and 2020; Labour moved from +3 to +5.5
(more to the right), and ACT moved from +9 to +9.5 - a very small
change, but the big change was going from more authoritarian than
National to nearly as libertarian as the Green Party.
National are closer to centerist than either of the totalitarian party's Labour and Watermelon that you blindly support Rich as is ACT who've spoken out more for ordinary New Zealanders!
a personal opinion - which is wrong as usual from your posts
Fuck off Rich. You've provided no legitimate cites for your stupidity and you know why your stupidity is being questioned!
which you have not been able to give any criticism other than your
unsupported and unjustified personal opinion.
Just because you do not have sufficient skills to complete the test<utter garbage snipped>On the Political Compass Test, my result is about +2, +2 - closer to
Now the very far-right nutters are more nutter than right wing - Chris >> >> >> Luxon supported political parties not talking to the irrational
Wellington protestors, but Seymour, wearing his libertarian hat, was >> >> >> better able to seek votes by partially agreeing that people should be >> >> >> able to make decisions for themselves on a lot more things than
National would tolerate.
Yet far left nutters like you are just imbecilic Marxists who want everyone marching in step with the totalitarian Labour/Watermelon far right nutters!
Labour than The Green Party, but slightly less right wing and more
libertarian. It chas varied a bit over the years, but not much.
What was your score - or were you not able to completet he test
through not understanding the questions?
Got better things to do with my time than waste it on garbage like the political compass Rich. I'm centrist like Tony, Crash and JohnO. Something your to fucking stupid to understand or accept!
does not make anyone else stupid, John Bowes.
You are entitled to hope, even when you do not understand.Understandable as National has become less popular since Key decided
Individual supporters of political parties may well not assess
themselves at the same point as the party as a whole - David Farrar
for example identified quite a few years ago (around the time he
stopped posting to nz.general and started Kiwiblog) his views as being >> >> >> close to where the ACT Party is now - it is not suprising that he is >> >> >> now seen as supporting both ACT and National . . .
He does it because unlike you and Ardern he cares for New Zealand and doesn't want to see it turned into the north Korea of the South Pacific!
he had had enough - now they are bringing back Collins!
Now they're more popular than Labour/Watermelon and well on the way to being the next government with ACT!
Rubbish - your personal opinion clearly has no value.much more tolerant of different groups - her attitude following the
A pretence that the National party is not right-wing is of course a
farcical assertion - they are much more neo-liberal than they used to >> >> >> be under Muldoon of course, but Luxon appears to want to return to the >> >> >> policies of Ruthenasia - for National, the biggest change over time
has been that they have become a lot more authoritarian; they are
however also slightly more right wing than they used to be (compare
the assessments going back to 2008 for example.
Better than continuing on the apartheid trail Labour wants to take us! >> >> What rubbish - thanks to Jacinda''s actions, most New Zealanders are
Christchurch shooting has lot to do with that. Again you provide no
evidence of your silly statement.
Her attitude after the Christchurch massacre was just a kneejerk reaction of a scared little Marxist!
You asked for it; I provided it; you do not understand it and cannotYou have no alternative narrative to support your frankly silly
Now I predict Tony and the Johns will object; but I also predict they >> >> >> will have nothing to base that opinion on than their own opinion -
which has in so many aspects has proved them wrong time after time . . >> >> >> .
Whereas in this case you've used the farcical political compass to hopefully support was in actual fact utter garbage even worse than the garbage you usually push. Just because your new glorious leader has snubbed his Maori caucus :)
assertions. You lose, John Bowes
You lost as soon as you dragged out the stupid political compass as you have every single time you've dragged it out. But guess we can't expect anything else from misandist fucking imbecile like you!
support your misunderstandings with any references.
You probably think all that means something. Sorry, it does not.Your biased and usupported personal opinions (without any cites) are
So I will not believe an opinion from the far-right posters to
nz.general - I predict they will be unable to give evidence of
National being less right wing than they have been assessed at the
political compass - or that they willprovide any credible literature >> >> >> to support their personal views . . .
It's okay Rich. I'm pretty sure that like me all the other posters in this ng just get a good belly laugh out of your biased and unsupported (even with cites) opinions :)
of course just rubbish.
The only thing I need to support my opinion about you is a grizzly post like this Rich. Nothing you've posted supports your claims. It only supports my claim your a fucking imbecile without any doubt :)
You lose again, John Bowes
You lose again, John Bowes!
Only in what passes for your pea sized brain Rich. In reality you've lost just like your stupid ex PM. Take a leaf out of her book and fuck off :)
Dickbot loses every time. It's a sad consequence of its fundamentally subnormal IQ.
This guy has a clearly above normal IQ, and explains why the Political Compass is intrinsically flawed. Probably has too many big words for Dickbot though.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/10/the-other-right-whats-wrong-with-the-political-compass/
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:22:00 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>imbecilic font of knowledge by now...
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 23:16:18 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 23:49:54 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:10:16 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:12:57 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:48:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:23:16 -0800 (PST), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:21:24 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:The far-right are often concerned that they are being accused of being
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:What do you expect from a woke wacker like Rich? Reasoned debate? :)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:31 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>National and ACT are not far right you fool. Saying that they are totally
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:01:18 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>And on that basis, here is another opinion:
wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:56:13 UTC+13, JohnO wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>> On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:21:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:37:27 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>You often post opinion pieces, dickhead, so don't whinge when someone else
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:It is an opinion, by a former List member of Parliament for the
Or so it is claimed. But maybe if the Maori caucus had anyone suitable
to be DPM Hipkins would have picked them surely?
Good. Maybe they'll all piss off to the Maori Party.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/opinion-maori-definitely-snubbed-by-the-labour-party-leadership-reshuffle/DMYXQU47TJGYDGA735UOXHCSNM/
does.
National Party.It was acknowledged, you idiot. he Herald states clearly who wrote the
A journalist, or even a reporter, would have sought a view from at
least some Maori people in positions of leadership; she gives no
indication of any such action. This is National using a forgotten MP
to add to its propaganda - and of course The Herald readily prints it
without acknowledging it as part of their soft sponsorship of
National.
opinion and states clearly that she was a National MP.
"Claudette Hauiti is a former National Party politician and was an MP in
2013 and 2014. She is a M?ori journalist for Radio Waatea 603 and a political
commentator."
Sounds like a far more educated opinion than the drivel that Dickbot
routinely vomits onto this NG.
My point was that it is just an Opinion - it is not journalism; it has
no more validity than the response from the two Johns to this thread.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/23-01-2023/new-zealand-isnt-ready-for-a-maori-prime-minister
The author is Tina Ngata - a prominent Maori name! "I am a Ngati Porou
mother of two from the East Coast of Te Ika a Maui. My work involves
advocacy for environmental, Indigenous and human rights. This includes
local, national and international initiatives that highlight the role
of settler colonialism in issues such as climate change and waste
pollution, and promote Indigenous conservation as best practice for a
globally sustainable future"
Arguably this article is closer to the opinion of most Maori than the
National party propaganda - certainly it is a well argued opinion,
which catches the concern over the nature of political attackes from
the far-right, including National and ACT.
discredits any opinion you might publish.
extremist - it is often true of course, but still they would rather >> >> >> pretend that they are not. Consistently however they provide no
evidence of their assertions
See:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
and the similar chart for 2017.
Why do you keep dragging out this thoroughly discredited piece of garbage Rich? I know it's hard for you to accept that something you rely on for your biased political posts but I'd have thought the fact it's garbage would have sunk into your
So as usual you still blindly support garbage Rich. Everything that is created to keep silly little Marxists like you happy has flaws. Much like your posts Rich :)None of them gave any reasons not to respect the Political Compass, orSo who discredited it? If you cannot give a reference then you are
just lying yet again.
You know damn well who refuted the bullshit political compass Rich. Go ask JohnO or Crash or Tony about it!
identified any criticism from anyone else.
So you cannot discredit it either. I am not surprised.
Your claims are bullshit and conflict with The Political Compass,
Give a reference for that assertion - or apologise for just expressing >> >> a personal opinion - which is wrong as usual from your posts
From those charts, National was at +8 (out of 10) to the Right
economically for both 2017 and 2020; Labour moved from +3 to +5.5 >> >> >> (more to the right), and ACT moved from +9 to +9.5 - a very small >> >> >> change, but the big change was going from more authoritarian than >> >> >> National to nearly as libertarian as the Green Party.
National are closer to centerist than either of the totalitarian party's Labour and Watermelon that you blindly support Rich as is ACT who've spoken out more for ordinary New Zealanders!
Fuck off Rich. You've provided no legitimate cites for your stupidity and you know why your stupidity is being questioned!
which you have not been able to give any criticism other than your
unsupported and unjustified personal opinion.
Just because you do not have sufficient skills to complete the test<utter garbage snipped>On the Political Compass Test, my result is about +2, +2 - closer to >> >> Labour than The Green Party, but slightly less right wing and more
Now the very far-right nutters are more nutter than right wing - Chris
Luxon supported political parties not talking to the irrational
Wellington protestors, but Seymour, wearing his libertarian hat, was
better able to seek votes by partially agreeing that people should be
able to make decisions for themselves on a lot more things than
National would tolerate.
Yet far left nutters like you are just imbecilic Marxists who want everyone marching in step with the totalitarian Labour/Watermelon far right nutters!
libertarian. It chas varied a bit over the years, but not much.
What was your score - or were you not able to completet he test
through not understanding the questions?
Got better things to do with my time than waste it on garbage like the political compass Rich. I'm centrist like Tony, Crash and JohnO. Something your to fucking stupid to understand or accept!
does not make anyone else stupid, John Bowes.
You are entitled to hope, even when you do not understand.Understandable as National has become less popular since Key decided >> >> he had had enough - now they are bringing back Collins!
Individual supporters of political parties may well not assess
themselves at the same point as the party as a whole - David Farrar >> >> >> for example identified quite a few years ago (around the time he
stopped posting to nz.general and started Kiwiblog) his views as being
close to where the ACT Party is now - it is not suprising that he is
now seen as supporting both ACT and National . . .
He does it because unlike you and Ardern he cares for New Zealand and doesn't want to see it turned into the north Korea of the South Pacific!
Now they're more popular than Labour/Watermelon and well on the way to being the next government with ACT!
Rubbish - your personal opinion clearly has no value.What rubbish - thanks to Jacinda''s actions, most New Zealanders are >> >> much more tolerant of different groups - her attitude following the
A pretence that the National party is not right-wing is of course a >> >> >> farcical assertion - they are much more neo-liberal than they used to
be under Muldoon of course, but Luxon appears to want to return to the
policies of Ruthenasia - for National, the biggest change over time >> >> >> has been that they have become a lot more authoritarian; they are >> >> >> however also slightly more right wing than they used to be (compare >> >> >> the assessments going back to 2008 for example.
Better than continuing on the apartheid trail Labour wants to take us!
Christchurch shooting has lot to do with that. Again you provide no
evidence of your silly statement.
Her attitude after the Christchurch massacre was just a kneejerk reaction of a scared little Marxist!
You asked for it; I provided it; you do not understand it and cannotYou have no alternative narrative to support your frankly silly
Now I predict Tony and the Johns will object; but I also predict they
will have nothing to base that opinion on than their own opinion - >> >> >> which has in so many aspects has proved them wrong time after time . .
.
Whereas in this case you've used the farcical political compass to hopefully support was in actual fact utter garbage even worse than the garbage you usually push. Just because your new glorious leader has snubbed his Maori caucus :)
assertions. You lose, John Bowes
You lost as soon as you dragged out the stupid political compass as you have every single time you've dragged it out. But guess we can't expect anything else from misandist fucking imbecile like you!
support your misunderstandings with any references.
You probably think all that means something. Sorry, it does not.Your biased and usupported personal opinions (without any cites) are >> >> of course just rubbish.
So I will not believe an opinion from the far-right posters to
nz.general - I predict they will be unable to give evidence of
National being less right wing than they have been assessed at the >> >> >> political compass - or that they willprovide any credible literature
to support their personal views . . .
It's okay Rich. I'm pretty sure that like me all the other posters in this ng just get a good belly laugh out of your biased and unsupported (even with cites) opinions :)
The only thing I need to support my opinion about you is a grizzly post like this Rich. Nothing you've posted supports your claims. It only supports my claim your a fucking imbecile without any doubt :)
You lose again, John Bowes
You lose again, John Bowes!
Only in what passes for your pea sized brain Rich. In reality you've lost just like your stupid ex PM. Take a leaf out of her book and fuck off :)
Dickbot loses every time. It's a sad consequence of its fundamentally subnormal IQ.
This guy has a clearly above normal IQ, and explains why the Political Compass is intrinsically flawed. Probably has too many big words for Dickbot though.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/10/the-other-right-whats-wrong-with-the-political-compass/The reality is that it does not allow for a right wing libertarian
party like ACT - according to Kastelein "However, Mitchell’s plot
seems flawed in a similar way to the Political Compass. My basic
problem with them is the presence of logical “no go” zones. With the political compass, it seems clear that you can’t have a far-right libertarian or a far-left libertarian. Neither far right nor far-left
are achievable without being authoritarian. "
ACT did not have the same policy platform when he did his analysis,
and he can be forgiven for being confused - indeed he said that he was confused.
Yes we use labels to mean different things, but if you do the test for
the Political Compass you will realise that the questions cover a wide
range of issues - if you miss some questions you may get a biassed
result.
So no, that chart does not indicate that the political compass is not
useful - in fact quite the contrary. The problem with his chart is
that it depends on his unclear definitions to determine where any
person should appear - but also excludes some complex choices such as
the policy platform of ACT.
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