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  • Shouldn't this be "how the unions will pick the next PM"?

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 19 16:06:21 2023
    Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote elected Little it was
    the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori caucus that elects the next PM certainly not the
    membership but the unions will most likely have a say... https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to bowes...@gmail.com on Thu Jan 19 16:28:36 2023
    On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 13:06:23 UTC+13, bowes...@gmail.com wrote:
    Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote elected Little it was
    the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori caucus that elects the next PM certainly not the
    membership but the unions will most likely have a say...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

    First up vote is caucus MPs only. If they can't get a 2/3 mandate then it goes to the party membership and that's where the unions would get to put their oar in.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 20 14:52:43 2023
    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:28:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 13:06:23 UTC+13, bowes...@gmail.com wrote:
    Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote elected Little it
    was the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori caucus that elects the next PM certainly not
    the membership but the unions will most likely have a say...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

    First up vote is caucus MPs only. If they can't get a 2/3 mandate then it goes to the party membership and that's where the unions would get to put their oar in.

    The Conservative Party in England had members vote for the Prime
    Minister when MPs could not agree - they delivered Liz Truss because
    she promised to deliver far-right policies - that did not work so
    well!

    How was Luxon selected?

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 20 02:39:30 2023
    On 2023-01-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:28:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 13:06:23 UTC+13, bowes...@gmail.com wrote:
    Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote elected Little it
    was the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori caucus that elects the next PM certainly not
    the membership but the unions will most likely have a say...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

    First up vote is caucus MPs only. If they can't get a 2/3 mandate then it goes to the party membership and that's where the unions would get to put their oar in.

    The Conservative Party in England had members vote for the Prime
    Minister when MPs could not agree - they delivered Liz Truss because
    she promised to deliver far-right policies - that did not work so
    well!

    How was Luxon selected?

    Wrong ng. You need a UK group.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 19 18:45:09 2023
    On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 2:56:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:28:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 13:06:23 UTC+13, bowes...@gmail.com wrote:
    Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote elected Little it
    was the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori caucus that elects the next PM certainly not
    the membership but the unions will most likely have a say...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

    First up vote is caucus MPs only. If they can't get a 2/3 mandate then it goes to the party membership and that's where the unions would get to put their oar in.
    The Conservative Party in England had members vote for the Prime
    Minister when MPs could not agree - they delivered Liz Truss because
    she promised to deliver far-right policies - that did not work so
    well!

    How was Luxon selected?

    Without any interference from the unions Rich and you know it! He was elected by his caucus and a majority vote. But guess this is just another of the myriad things you know nothing about :)

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Jan 20 03:22:52 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-01-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:28:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 13:06:23 UTC+13, bowes...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the >>>>most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even
    when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote
    elected Little it was the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles
    favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions >>>>told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori >>>>caucus that elects the next PM certainly not the membership but the unions will
    most likely have a say...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

    First up vote is caucus MPs only. If they can't get a 2/3 mandate then it >>>goes to the party membership and that's where the unions would get to put their
    oar in.

    The Conservative Party in England had members vote for the Prime
    Minister when MPs could not agree - they delivered Liz Truss because
    she promised to deliver far-right policies - that did not work so
    well!

    How was Luxon selected?

    Wrong ng. You need a UK group.
    Exactly - any port in a storm will do for Rich when he has nothing to say.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 20 18:42:01 2023
    On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:52:43 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:28:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 13:06:23 UTC+13, bowes...@gmail.com wrote:
    Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote elected Little it
    was the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori caucus that elects the next PM certainly not
    the membership but the unions will most likely have a say...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

    First up vote is caucus MPs only. If they can't get a 2/3 mandate then it goes to the party membership and that's where the unions would get to put their oar in.

    The Conservative Party in England had members vote for the Prime
    Minister when MPs could not agree - they delivered Liz Truss because
    she promised to deliver far-right policies - that did not work so
    well!

    How was Luxon selected?

    Why do you ask? The subject is the selection of the next
    parliamentary leader of the Labour party. Nothing whatever to do with
    Luxon, though my recollection is that National elect their
    Parliamentary leaders by a secret ballot of caucus members.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Jan 20 21:55:08 2023
    On 20 Jan 2023 02:39:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:28:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 13:06:23 UTC+13, bowes...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote elected Little it
    was the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori caucus that elects the next PM certainly not
    the membership but the unions will most likely have a say...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

    First up vote is caucus MPs only. If they can't get a 2/3 mandate then it goes to the party membership and that's where the unions would get to put their oar in.

    The Conservative Party in England had members vote for the Prime
    Minister when MPs could not agree - they delivered Liz Truss because
    she promised to deliver far-right policies - that did not work so
    well!

    How was Luxon selected?

    Wrong ng. You need a UK group.

    Is Luxon off to the UK? Sorry I don't believe that. I was merely
    illustrating that letting members vote for the Leader does not always
    turn out well; Luxon was of course over in the UK having discussions
    with Truss just after she became PM - he brought back his great idea
    of cutting the top tax rate, which he has now had to back away from
    now we know how badly that worked in the UK.

    Having National copy Johnson / Truss from the UK and Trump from the
    USA does not stop this being an nz chat group Gordon - we are part of
    the world, and sad sacks that lack their own ideas will tend to get
    policies from elsewhere . . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 20 01:59:59 2023
    On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:59:25 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jan 2023 02:39:30 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-20, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:28:36 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 13:06:23 UTC+13, bowes...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Another truly misleading headline from Stuff. Most of us know who has the most power when Labour picks a new leader. It's always been the unions. Even when they had the faux election campaign that finally, thanks to the union vote elected Little
    it was the unions not the membership that swung it in Littles favour. When Little resigned there was no faux democracy at all. The unions told Little to go and appointed Ardern. This time it may well be the Maori caucus that elects the next PM certainly
    not the membership but the unions will most likely have a say...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020849/what-happens-now-how-labour-will-elect-the-next-prime-minister

    First up vote is caucus MPs only. If they can't get a 2/3 mandate then it goes to the party membership and that's where the unions would get to put their oar in.

    The Conservative Party in England had members vote for the Prime
    Minister when MPs could not agree - they delivered Liz Truss because
    she promised to deliver far-right policies - that did not work so
    well!

    How was Luxon selected?

    Wrong ng. You need a UK group.
    Is Luxon off to the UK? Sorry I don't believe that. I was merely illustrating that letting members vote for the Leader does not always
    turn out well; Luxon was of course over in the UK having discussions
    with Truss just after she became PM - he brought back his great idea
    of cutting the top tax rate, which he has now had to back away from
    now we know how badly that worked in the UK.

    Off topic, lies and ancient crap Rich! Fact: The tax changes have been canned as has your incompetent PM! We're now waiting to see what sort of faux leader Labour will be lumbered with on Sunday. The topic is how Labour selects a new leader not about
    National. So either start a new thread or fuck off along with Ardern!

    Having National copy Johnson / Truss from the UK and Trump from the
    USA does not stop this being an nz chat group Gordon - we are part of
    the world, and sad sacks that lack their own ideas will tend to get
    policies from elsewhere . . .

    Stop carrying on like a four year old not allowed an ice cream Rich and drop the bullshit about Luxon going to change the top tax bracket. The thread is about what bullshit method LABOUR will use to make sure thet pick the leader the unions want. btw the
    unions have never selected a National leader...

    As to policies. It'd be fucking nice if Labour actually tell what their reral plocies are this election instead of springing them on us in urgency and without due consultation with those who oppose the surprise policies!

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