• Megan Woods an idiot?

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 19:57:37 2023
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good decision from his woke government :)

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Wed Jan 18 06:41:33 2023
    On 2023-01-18, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good decision from his woke government :)

    This has so many aspects to it.

    "In a written statement a MHUD spokesperson confirmed the purchase
    and said the site would be used “to provide a mixed development of
    affordable housing for private market and public housing”.

    Clarity please. So these private market people are going to build some of
    the houses, for a) profit, or b) rentals.

    There has been concnern at length over flood and congestion back in 2018 and
    it dropped. So now we we have a) 4 years of dithering, and b) an election coming up and c) the motel situation getting worse.

    Remember folks there is a climate emergency in the country, and climate
    change means that the storms will cause greater flooding far more often.

    Comformation and destination bias, when you push on as you think everything will work out.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Jan 19 09:10:29 2023
    On 18 Jan 2023 06:41:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-18, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good decision from his woke government :)

    This has so many aspects to it.

    "In a written statement a MHUD spokesperson confirmed the purchase
    and said the site would be used to provide a mixed development of
    affordable housing for private market and public housing.

    Clarity please. So these private market people are going to build some of
    the houses, for a) profit, or b) rentals.

    There has been concnern at length over flood and congestion back in 2018 and >it dropped. So now we we have a) 4 years of dithering, and b) an election >coming up and c) the motel situation getting worse.

    Remember folks there is a climate emergency in the country, and climate >change means that the storms will cause greater flooding far more often.

    Comformation and destination bias, when you push on as you think everything >will work out.

    There is a significant difference between a development for 80 homes
    and one for 350 - the latter will require considerably different
    underground services. Clearly those differences are sufficient for
    both the Rotorua Council and Government to take a different view of
    the project - each being advised by their construction advisers. It
    is notable that the protest gives no reason other than the comparison
    with a previous decision to be concerned, and apears to be lazy
    journalism - Bathgate may have written it entirely from his desk, with
    one of his calls to a mate who just happens to be an ex-Councillor for
    the "Residents and Ratepayers" - and who has consistently spoken
    against any use of public land to house those in need in Rotorua - he
    is likely to be dead against anything the Rotorua Council want see for
    example: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/461225/code-of-conduct-breaches-rotorua-councillor-reynold-macpherson-removed-from-committees
    and https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/12/reynold-macpherson-why-scepticism.html
    Given his performance as a previous Councillor, it is surprising he
    got as many votes as he did to get the 5th highest number of votes for
    Mayor . . .

    So ask yourself, was Bathgate infuenced by his political connections
    and history working for a Property magazine in reaching out to
    Macpherson for an assurted anti sentiment on this issue?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Jan 18 23:27:14 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 18 Jan 2023 06:41:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-18, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to >>>hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good decision >>>from his woke government :)

    This has so many aspects to it.

    "In a written statement a MHUD spokesperson confirmed the purchase
    and said the site would be used to provide a mixed development of >>affordable housing for private market and public housing.

    Clarity please. So these private market people are going to build some of >>the houses, for a) profit, or b) rentals.

    There has been concnern at length over flood and congestion back in 2018 and >>it dropped. So now we we have a) 4 years of dithering, and b) an election >>coming up and c) the motel situation getting worse.

    Remember folks there is a climate emergency in the country, and climate >>change means that the storms will cause greater flooding far more often.

    Comformation and destination bias, when you push on as you think everything >>will work out.

    There is a significant difference between a development for 80 homes
    and one for 350 - the latter will require considerably different
    underground services. Clearly those differences are sufficient for
    both the Rotorua Council and Government to take a different view of
    the project - each being advised by their construction advisers. It
    is notable that the protest gives no reason other than the comparison
    with a previous decision to be concerned, and apears to be lazy
    journalism - Bathgate may have written it entirely from his desk, with
    one of his calls to a mate who just happens to be an ex-Councillor for
    the "Residents and Ratepayers" - and who has consistently spoken
    against any use of public land to house those in need in Rotorua - he
    is likely to be dead against anything the Rotorua Council want see for >example: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/461225/code-of-conduct-breaches-rotorua-councillor-reynold-macpherson-removed-from-committees
    and >https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/12/reynold-macpherson-why-scepticism.html
    Given his performance as a previous Councillor, it is surprising he
    got as many votes as he did to get the 5th highest number of votes for
    Mayor . . .

    So ask yourself, was Bathgate infuenced by his political connections
    and history working for a Property magazine in reaching out to
    Macpherson for an assurted anti sentiment on this issue?
    Or are you just making shit up?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Jan 19 13:03:05 2023
    On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 23:27:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 18 Jan 2023 06:41:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-18, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to >>>>hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good decision
    from his woke government :)

    This has so many aspects to it.

    "In a written statement a MHUD spokesperson confirmed the purchase
    and said the site would be used to provide a mixed development of >>>affordable housing for private market and public housing.

    Clarity please. So these private market people are going to build some of >>>the houses, for a) profit, or b) rentals.

    There has been concnern at length over flood and congestion back in 2018 and >>>it dropped. So now we we have a) 4 years of dithering, and b) an election >>>coming up and c) the motel situation getting worse.

    Remember folks there is a climate emergency in the country, and climate >>>change means that the storms will cause greater flooding far more often.

    Comformation and destination bias, when you push on as you think everything >>>will work out.

    There is a significant difference between a development for 80 homes
    and one for 350 - the latter will require considerably different >>underground services. Clearly those differences are sufficient for
    both the Rotorua Council and Government to take a different view of
    the project - each being advised by their construction advisers. It
    is notable that the protest gives no reason other than the comparison
    with a previous decision to be concerned, and apears to be lazy
    journalism - Bathgate may have written it entirely from his desk, with
    one of his calls to a mate who just happens to be an ex-Councillor for
    the "Residents and Ratepayers" - and who has consistently spoken
    against any use of public land to house those in need in Rotorua - he
    is likely to be dead against anything the Rotorua Council want see for >>example: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/461225/code-of-conduct-breaches-rotorua-councillor-reynold-macpherson-removed-from-committees
    and >>https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/12/reynold-macpherson-why-scepticism.html
    Given his performance as a previous Councillor, it is surprising he
    got as many votes as he did to get the 5th highest number of votes for >>Mayor . . .

    So ask yourself, was Bathgate infuenced by his political connections
    and history working for a Property magazine in reaching out to
    Macpherson for an assurted anti sentiment on this issue?
    Or are you just making shit up?

    No - as you probably realised, asserted should have been asserted -
    and the assertion was of course anti a property development designed
    to solve a problem for Rotorua - Reynold Macpherson is perhaps a
    little jaudiced, but also rigidly right wing.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jan 19 00:50:02 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 23:27:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 18 Jan 2023 06:41:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-18, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to >>>>>hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good >>>>>decision
    from his woke government :)

    This has so many aspects to it.

    "In a written statement a MHUD spokesperson confirmed the purchase
    and said the site would be used to provide a mixed development of >>>>affordable housing for private market and public housing.

    Clarity please. So these private market people are going to build some of >>>>the houses, for a) profit, or b) rentals.

    There has been concnern at length over flood and congestion back in 2018 and
    it dropped. So now we we have a) 4 years of dithering, and b) an election >>>>coming up and c) the motel situation getting worse.

    Remember folks there is a climate emergency in the country, and climate >>>>change means that the storms will cause greater flooding far more often. >>>>
    Comformation and destination bias, when you push on as you think everything >>>>will work out.

    There is a significant difference between a development for 80 homes
    and one for 350 - the latter will require considerably different >>>underground services. Clearly those differences are sufficient for
    both the Rotorua Council and Government to take a different view of
    the project - each being advised by their construction advisers. It
    is notable that the protest gives no reason other than the comparison >>>with a previous decision to be concerned, and apears to be lazy >>>journalism - Bathgate may have written it entirely from his desk, with >>>one of his calls to a mate who just happens to be an ex-Councillor for >>>the "Residents and Ratepayers" - and who has consistently spoken
    against any use of public land to house those in need in Rotorua - he
    is likely to be dead against anything the Rotorua Council want see for >>>example: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/461225/code-of-conduct-breaches-rotorua-councillor-reynold-macpherson-removed-from-committees
    and >>>https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/12/reynold-macpherson-why-scepticism.html
    Given his performance as a previous Councillor, it is surprising he
    got as many votes as he did to get the 5th highest number of votes for >>>Mayor . . .

    So ask yourself, was Bathgate infuenced by his political connections
    and history working for a Property magazine in reaching out to
    Macpherson for an assurted anti sentiment on this issue?
    Or are you just making shit up?

    No - as you probably realised, asserted should have been asserted -
    and the assertion was of course anti a property development designed
    to solve a problem for Rotorua - Reynold Macpherson is perhaps a
    little jaudiced, but also rigidly right wing.
    Yolur view of the entire thing is jaundiced and rigidly extreme left wing.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 18 17:24:47 2023
    On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 1:06:53 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 23:27:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 18 Jan 2023 06:41:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-18, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to >>>>hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good decision
    from his woke government :)

    This has so many aspects to it.

    "In a written statement a MHUD spokesperson confirmed the purchase
    and said the site would be used “to provide a mixed development of >>>affordable housing for private market and public housing”.

    Clarity please. So these private market people are going to build some of >>>the houses, for a) profit, or b) rentals.

    There has been concnern at length over flood and congestion back in 2018 and
    it dropped. So now we we have a) 4 years of dithering, and b) an election >>>coming up and c) the motel situation getting worse.

    Remember folks there is a climate emergency in the country, and climate >>>change means that the storms will cause greater flooding far more often. >>>
    Comformation and destination bias, when you push on as you think everything
    will work out.

    There is a significant difference between a development for 80 homes
    and one for 350 - the latter will require considerably different >>underground services. Clearly those differences are sufficient for
    both the Rotorua Council and Government to take a different view of
    the project - each being advised by their construction advisers. It
    is notable that the protest gives no reason other than the comparison >>with a previous decision to be concerned, and apears to be lazy >>journalism - Bathgate may have written it entirely from his desk, with >>one of his calls to a mate who just happens to be an ex-Councillor for >>the "Residents and Ratepayers" - and who has consistently spoken
    against any use of public land to house those in need in Rotorua - he
    is likely to be dead against anything the Rotorua Council want see for >>example: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/461225/code-of-conduct-breaches-rotorua-councillor-reynold-macpherson-removed-from-committees
    and >>https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/12/reynold-macpherson-why-scepticism.html
    Given his performance as a previous Councillor, it is surprising he
    got as many votes as he did to get the 5th highest number of votes for >>Mayor . . .

    So ask yourself, was Bathgate infuenced by his political connections
    and history working for a Property magazine in reaching out to >>Macpherson for an assurted anti sentiment on this issue?
    Or are you just making shit up?
    No - as you probably realised, asserted should have been asserted -
    and the assertion was of course anti a property development designed
    to solve a problem for Rotorua - Reynold Macpherson is perhaps a
    little jaudiced, but also rigidly right wing.
    Stop lying about you making shit up Rich!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Jan 18 17:23:53 2023
    On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 12:27:16 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 18 Jan 2023 06:41:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-18, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to >>>hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good decision
    from his woke government :)

    This has so many aspects to it.

    "In a written statement a MHUD spokesperson confirmed the purchase
    and said the site would be used “to provide a mixed development of >>affordable housing for private market and public housing”.

    Clarity please. So these private market people are going to build some of >>the houses, for a) profit, or b) rentals.

    There has been concnern at length over flood and congestion back in 2018 and
    it dropped. So now we we have a) 4 years of dithering, and b) an election >>coming up and c) the motel situation getting worse.

    Remember folks there is a climate emergency in the country, and climate >>change means that the storms will cause greater flooding far more often. >>
    Comformation and destination bias, when you push on as you think everything
    will work out.

    There is a significant difference between a development for 80 homes
    and one for 350 - the latter will require considerably different >underground services. Clearly those differences are sufficient for
    both the Rotorua Council and Government to take a different view of
    the project - each being advised by their construction advisers. It
    is notable that the protest gives no reason other than the comparison
    with a previous decision to be concerned, and apears to be lazy
    journalism - Bathgate may have written it entirely from his desk, with
    one of his calls to a mate who just happens to be an ex-Councillor for
    the "Residents and Ratepayers" - and who has consistently spoken
    against any use of public land to house those in need in Rotorua - he
    is likely to be dead against anything the Rotorua Council want see for >example: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/461225/code-of-conduct-breaches-rotorua-councillor-reynold-macpherson-removed-from-committees
    and >https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/12/reynold-macpherson-why-scepticism.html
    Given his performance as a previous Councillor, it is surprising he
    got as many votes as he did to get the 5th highest number of votes for >Mayor . . .

    So ask yourself, was Bathgate infuenced by his political connections
    and history working for a Property magazine in reaching out to
    Macpherson for an assurted anti sentiment on this issue?
    Or are you just making shit up?
    Of course Rich is just making shit up! It's aqll the useless little communist cunt has: Lies!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 18 17:22:43 2023
    On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 9:14:17 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 18 Jan 2023 06:41:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-18, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or is it just a typical Labour about turn to suit what they want and to hell with the consequences?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-homes

    It'll be interesting to see how Rich explains this as another good decision from his woke government :)

    This has so many aspects to it.

    "In a written statement a MHUD spokesperson confirmed the purchase
    and said the site would be used “to provide a mixed development of >affordable housing for private market and public housing”.

    Clarity please. So these private market people are going to build some of >the houses, for a) profit, or b) rentals.

    There has been concnern at length over flood and congestion back in 2018 and
    it dropped. So now we we have a) 4 years of dithering, and b) an election >coming up and c) the motel situation getting worse.

    Remember folks there is a climate emergency in the country, and climate >change means that the storms will cause greater flooding far more often.

    Comformation and destination bias, when you push on as you think everything >will work out.
    There is a significant difference between a development for 80 homes
    and one for 350 - the latter will require considerably different
    underground services. Clearly those differences are sufficient for
    both the Rotorua Council and Government to take a different view of
    the project - each being advised by their construction advisers. It
    is notable that the protest gives no reason other than the comparison
    with a previous decision to be concerned, and apears to be lazy
    journalism - Bathgate may have written it entirely from his desk, with
    one of his calls to a mate who just happens to be an ex-Councillor for
    the "Residents and Ratepayers" - and who has consistently spoken
    against any use of public land to house those in need in Rotorua - he
    is likely to be dead against anything the Rotorua Council want see for example: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/461225/code-of-conduct-breaches-rotorua-councillor-reynold-macpherson-removed-from-committees
    and https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/12/reynold-macpherson-why-scepticism.html
    Given his performance as a previous Councillor, it is surprising he
    got as many votes as he did to get the 5th highest number of votes for
    Mayor . . .

    So ask yourself, was Bathgate infuenced by his political connections
    and history working for a Property magazine in reaching out to
    Macpherson for an assurted anti sentiment on this issue?
    By all accounts Wood turned down the 80 house development because of flood risk. According to your ownb idiotic government we can expect more bad weather in the next decades so instead of 80 family's being at risk it's going to be 350 family's at risk
    from flood! Where the fuck has your governments kindness and caring gone Rich? Or was that like most of your excuses for government failure just BULLSHIT!

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