• Re: Another one to the list of deaths

    From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sun Jan 8 01:06:18 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human has >died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not >just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the sports >folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on this.
    Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings.
    There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent increased sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The Japanese government has asked for scientific research to be conducted.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 8 01:00:26 2023
    https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human has
    died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not
    just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the sports folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on this.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Jan 8 14:19:26 2023
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human has >>died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not >>just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the sports >>folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on this. >Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings. >There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent increased >sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The Japanese >government has asked for scientific research to be conducted.
    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Jan 8 03:06:18 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human has >>>died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not >>>just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the sports >>>folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on this. >>Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings. >>There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent increased >>sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted.
    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl opinion >no doubt! >https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Jan 8 22:21:00 2023
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human has >>>>died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not >>>>just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the sports >>>>folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on this. >>>Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings. >>>There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent increased >>>sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted.
    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl opinion
    no doubt! >>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. >https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without >ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

    If you like those "opinions", then perhaps you should also consider
    this: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/fake-tweet-spurred-anti-vaccine-harassment-campaign-doctor-rcna64448

    In another thread a while ago Tony was looking for examples of hate
    speech - do you think this case may have qualified?

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 07:04:33 2023
    On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 14:19:26 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: >https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/

    "Since the COVID-19 pandemic began almost three years ago, scientists
    have learned that an initial infection can lead to short- and
    long-term health risks affecting nearly every organ system in the
    body. They’ve also determined that people can get COVID-19 a second or
    a third time, despite acquiring natural antibodies after the first
    infection and receiving vaccination and booster shots."

    So the punitive restrictions imposed by the Ardern government on
    people who chose not to take the experimental "vaccine" (despite
    Ardern going on national television two months before the last
    election promising that this would not happen) were completely
    pointless then?

    Bill.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Jan 8 18:58:35 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human has >>>>>died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not >>>>>just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the sports
    folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on this. >>>>Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings. >>>>There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent increased >>>>sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>>>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted.
    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl >>>opinion
    no doubt! >>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. >>https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without >>ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

    If you like those opinions (corrected grammar).
    I did not post any links to any opinions. What opinions are you referring to? >, then perhaps you should also consider
    this: >https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/fake-tweet-spurred-anti-vaccine-harassment-campaign-doctor-rcna64448

    In another thread a while ago Tony was looking for examples of hate
    speech - do you think this case may have qualified?
    Completely off topic. I refer you to Bill's post - perhaps you could answer his question

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Mon Jan 9 09:03:11 2023
    On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 07:04:33 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 14:19:26 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: >>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/

    "Since the COVID-19 pandemic began almost three years ago, scientists
    have learned that an initial infection can lead to short- and
    long-term health risks affecting nearly every organ system in the
    body. They’ve also determined that people can get COVID-19 a second or
    a third time, despite acquiring natural antibodies after the first
    infection and receiving vaccination and booster shots."

    So the punitive restrictions imposed by the Ardern government on
    people who chose not to take the experimental "vaccine" (despite
    Ardern going on national television two months before the last
    election promising that this would not happen) were completely
    pointless then?

    Bill.

    No, and precautions against catching Covid are still appropriate -
    from the article:

    "Limiting exposure to the virus is especially important as the U.S.
    heads into the winter months, with new variants emerging, mutating and
    already causing an upswing in infections in some parts of the country,
    Al-Aly said. “People should do their best to prevent repeat infections
    by masking, for example, getting all of their eligible boosters,
    staying home when sick. Also, get a flu shot to prevent illness. We
    really need to do our best to reduce the chance we will have a
    twin-demic of both COVID-19 and the flu this winter season.”

    I see many people on busses wearing face masks, and subjectively, I
    think more are wearing them in supermarkets. I will certainly get the
    flu shot next March, and I expect to either have a covid vaccine at
    that time or around that time.

    We cannot avoid having cases in our community; we have the need as a
    country to keep working to provide for ourselves and those that need
    our help, but that does not mean we should be stupid and not take
    reasonable precautions.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Jan 9 09:12:13 2023
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:58:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human has
    died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not >>>>>>just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the sports
    folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on this.
    Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings. >>>>>There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent increased >>>>>sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>>>>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted. >>>>Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl >>>>opinion
    no doubt! >>>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. >>>https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without >>>ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

    If you like those opinions (corrected grammar).
    The quotation marks were a deliberate reference to your tendency to
    regard opinions as fact, but that in this case the "opinions"
    expressed may be deliberate false propaganda.

    I did not post any links to any opinions. What opinions are you referring to? The "newspunch" site clearly sets out to give views contrary to those
    of mainstream media. Opinions, or deliberate misinformation?

    , then perhaps you should also consider
    this: >>https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/fake-tweet-spurred-anti-vaccine-harassment-campaign-doctor-rcna64448

    In another thread a while ago Tony was looking for examples of hate
    speech - do you think this case may have qualified?
    Completely off topic. I refer you to Bill's post - perhaps you could answer his
    question
    Completely on topic - you were trying to peddle deliberate
    misinformation - just letting you know what harm deliberate
    misinformation can cause.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Sun Jan 8 13:07:51 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:50:24 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:58:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human >>>>>>>has
    died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not
    just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the >>>>>>>sports
    folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on >>>>>>>this.
    Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings.
    There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent >>>>>>increased
    sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>>>>>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted. >>>>>Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl >>>>>opinion
    no doubt! >>>>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. >>>>https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without >>>>ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

    If you like those opinions (corrected grammar).
    The quotation marks were a deliberate reference to your tendency to
    regard opinions as fact
    That is a lie. I never do that. You are the one that cannot stick to a subject
    and you are the one that refuses to even consider alternate information or facts.
    , but that in this case the "opinions"
    expressed may be deliberate false propaganda.
    You have totally failed to show that - so show that or piss off once more.

    I did not post any links to any opinions. What opinions are you referring to?
    The "newspunch" site clearly sets out to give views contrary to those
    of mainstream media. Opinions, or deliberate misinformation?
    Different views - what is wrong with that?

    , then perhaps you should also consider
    this: >>>https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/fake-tweet-spurred-anti-vaccine-harassment-campaign-doctor-rcna64448

    In another thread a while ago Tony was looking for examples of hate >>>speech - do you think this case may have qualified?
    Completely off topic. I refer you to Bill's post - perhaps you could answer >>his
    question
    Completely on topic - you were trying to peddle deliberate
    misinformation - just letting you know what harm deliberate
    misinformation can cause.
    Totally off topic. I have "peddled" nothing. There is no deliberate misinformation in this thread other than from you.
    If you cannot decide what to believe it is because you can only follow the one
    true path (as espoused by left wing, marxist kak.)

    Rich is the only peddler in this ng. He constantly peddles the governments point of view even when it's obviously wrong and illegal!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Jan 8 20:50:23 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:58:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human >>>>>>>has
    died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not
    just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the >>>>>>>sports
    folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on >>>>>>>this.
    Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings. >>>>>>There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent >>>>>>increased
    sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>>>>>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted. >>>>>Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl >>>>>opinion
    no doubt! >>>>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. >>>>https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without >>>>ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

    If you like those opinions (corrected grammar).
    The quotation marks were a deliberate reference to your tendency to
    regard opinions as fact
    That is a lie. I never do that. You are the one that cannot stick to a subject and you are the one that refuses to even consider alternate information or facts.
    , but that in this case the "opinions"
    expressed may be deliberate false propaganda.
    You have totally failed to show that - so show that or piss off once more.

    I did not post any links to any opinions. What opinions are you referring to? >The "newspunch" site clearly sets out to give views contrary to those
    of mainstream media. Opinions, or deliberate misinformation?
    Different views - what is wrong with that?

    , then perhaps you should also consider
    this: >>>https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/fake-tweet-spurred-anti-vaccine-harassment-campaign-doctor-rcna64448

    In another thread a while ago Tony was looking for examples of hate >>>speech - do you think this case may have qualified?
    Completely off topic. I refer you to Bill's post - perhaps you could answer >>his
    question
    Completely on topic - you were trying to peddle deliberate
    misinformation - just letting you know what harm deliberate
    misinformation can cause.
    Totally off topic. I have "peddled" nothing. There is no deliberate misinformation in this thread other than from you.
    If you cannot decide what to believe it is because you can only follow the one true path (as espoused by left wing, marxist kak.)

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Sun Jan 8 23:03:38 2023
    On 2023-01-08, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 14:19:26 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: >>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/

    "Since the COVID-19 pandemic began almost three years ago, scientists
    have learned that an initial infection can lead to short- and
    long-term health risks affecting nearly every organ system in the
    body. TheyÂ’ve also determined that people can get COVID-19 a second or
    a third time, despite acquiring natural antibodies after the first
    infection and receiving vaccination and booster shots."

    So the punitive restrictions imposed by the Ardern government on
    people who chose not to take the experimental "vaccine" (despite
    Ardern going on national television two months before the last
    election promising that this would not happen) were completely
    pointless then?

    If we could discuss, and get the raw data, we might get some way to some certainty.

    Until then the stance that we have been dooped/screwed over is a good
    place to start.

    Time is working away, slowly as it does, as it has no deadlines.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Jan 9 15:56:49 2023
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 20:50:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:58:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human >>>>>>>>has
    died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not
    just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the >>>>>>>>sports
    folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on >>>>>>>>this.
    Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings. >>>>>>>There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent >>>>>>>increased
    sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>>>>>>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted. >>>>>>Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl >>>>>>opinion
    no doubt! >>>>>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. >>>>>https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without >>>>>ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

    If you like those opinions (corrected grammar).
    The quotation marks were a deliberate reference to your tendency to
    regard opinions as fact
    That is a lie.
    It is a fact that you did not correct grammar - you deleted a
    deliberate indication that I believed you were deliberately spreading
    what you should have known is deliberate false propaganda

    I never do that. You are the one that cannot stick to a subject
    and you are the one that refuses to even consider alternate information or >facts.
    , but that in this case the "opinions"
    expressed may be deliberate false propaganda.
    You have totally failed to show that - so show that or piss off once more.
    I did not post the propaganda - apparently you have been taken in by
    it - that says more about you than me.


    I did not post any links to any opinions. What opinions are you referring to?
    The "newspunch" site clearly sets out to give views contrary to those
    of mainstream media. Opinions, or deliberate misinformation?
    Different views - what is wrong with that?
    If you can see nothing wrong with clearly misleading and wrongful disinformation, nothing anyone can say will convince you that black is
    not white.



    , then perhaps you should also consider
    this: >>>>https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/fake-tweet-spurred-anti-vaccine-harassment-campaign-doctor-rcna64448

    In another thread a while ago Tony was looking for examples of hate >>>>speech - do you think this case may have qualified?
    Completely off topic. I refer you to Bill's post - perhaps you could answer >>>his
    question
    Completely on topic - you were trying to peddle deliberate
    misinformation - just letting you know what harm deliberate
    misinformation can cause.
    Totally off topic. I have "peddled" nothing. There is no deliberate >misinformation in this thread other than from you.
    Yet again you avoid your own errors; but I suspect it is vecause you
    know your position is indefensible. I can see why you and the John's
    get on so well together . . .

    If you cannot decide what to believe it is because you can only follow the one >true path (as espoused by left wing, marxist kak.)

    When all else fails, your far right conditioning leads you to abuse .
    . .

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 9 02:36:47 2023
    On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 09:03:11 +1300, Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    I will certainly get the flu shot next March, and I expect to either
    have a covid vaccine at that time or around that time.

    What a remarkable political ideology, Rich, that requires its
    adherents to pump poison into their bodies. Sort of like a kinder
    gentler Jim Jones.

    As you head into the jabattoir, remember Willy Nilly saying to you,
    "Don't do it, Rich, get outta there!".

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 9 03:32:36 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 20:50:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:58:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/

    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human >>>>>>>>>has
    died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, >>>>>>>>>not
    just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the >>>>>>>>>sports
    folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on >>>>>>>>>this.
    Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings.
    There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent >>>>>>>>increased
    sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>>>>>>>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted. >>>>>>>Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl >>>>>>>opinion
    no doubt! >>>>>>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. >>>>>>https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without >>>>>>ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

    If you like those opinions (corrected grammar).
    The quotation marks were a deliberate reference to your tendency to >>>regard opinions as fact
    That is a lie.
    It is a fact that you did not correct grammar - you deleted a
    deliberate indication that I believed you were deliberately spreading
    what you should have known is deliberate false propaganda
    Nonsense. What is a fact is that you want to silence people who think independently.

    I never do that. You are the one that cannot stick to a subject
    and you are the one that refuses to even consider alternate information or >>facts.
    , but that in this case the "opinions"
    expressed may be deliberate false propaganda.
    You have totally failed to show that - so show that or piss off once more.
    I did not post the propaganda - apparently you have been taken in by
    it - that says more about you than me.
    No you failed to address the content - yet again. You are a sham and a demaing liar.


    I did not post any links to any opinions. What opinions are you referring >>>>to?
    The "newspunch" site clearly sets out to give views contrary to those
    of mainstream media. Opinions, or deliberate misinformation?
    Different views - what is wrong with that?
    If you can see nothing wrong with clearly misleading and wrongful >disinformation, nothing anyone can say will convince you that black is
    not white.
    You have failed to show that anything in the link is wrong or is disinformation.

    And you claim to have a degree in science. Well if you do you bought it.
    Any competent university teaches the scientific principles and research practices and have done for decades in one form or another.
    The latest are summarised thus - "Among the very basic principles that guide scientists, as well as many other scholars, are those expressed as respect for the integrity of knowledge, collegiality, honesty, objectivity, and openness." You have never in this newsgroup adhered to any similar principles. I call you a liar because you clearly have not a skerrick of scientific skill or ethics. You have taken a childish and almost violent dislike to me simply because I have caught you out in lie after lie over the years.
    Nobody who has really earned a degree would ever behave like you.
    You don't have a degree - you are a fraud and a fool.



    , then perhaps you should also consider
    this: >>>>>https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/fake-tweet-spurred-anti-vaccine-harassment-campaign-doctor-rcna64448

    In another thread a while ago Tony was looking for examples of hate >>>>>speech - do you think this case may have qualified?
    Completely off topic. I refer you to Bill's post - perhaps you could answer >>>>his
    question
    Completely on topic - you were trying to peddle deliberate
    misinformation - just letting you know what harm deliberate >>>misinformation can cause.
    Totally off topic. I have "peddled" nothing. There is no deliberate >>misinformation in this thread other than from you.
    Yet again you avoid your own errors; but I suspect it is vecause you
    know your position is indefensible. I can see why you and the John's
    get on so well together . . .

    If you cannot decide what to believe it is because you can only follow the >>one
    true path (as espoused by left wing, marxist kak.)

    When all else fails, your far right conditioning leads you to abuse .
    No abuse - merely the truth. I am a long way away from far right - but you see all moderate and open minded people as far right don't you. Shame on you, you are a fraud.
    . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 8 20:47:26 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:01:03 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 20:50:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 18:58:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 03:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 01:06:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://leedaily.com/2023/01/04/uche-nwaneri-cause-of-death/ >>>>>>>>
    Never heard of the guy? No nor me, but it does seem that another human
    has
    died in he prime of his life from congestive heart failure.

    The article is well done as it informs the reader about who Uche was, not
    just another death.

    This posting in response to Rich claiming that he was unaware of the >>>>>>>>sports
    folks who where dropping dead in respose to Willy Nilly remarking on >>>>>>>>this.
    Yes indeed. Burying his head in the sand is one of Rich's many failings.
    There are dozens of reports from around the world about apparent >>>>>>>increased
    sudden and unexplained deaths since the covid vaccinations began. The >>>>>>>Japanese
    government has asked for scientific research to be conducted. >>>>>>Multiple inffections will explain many of them: In your expert mediacl >>>>>>opinion
    no doubt! >>>>>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/
    That is not the purpose of the research. >>>>>https://newspunch.com/japan-launches-official-investigation-into-millions-of-covid-vaccine-deaths/
    Perhaps if you were open-minded and could allow other opinions without >>>>>ridiculing them you would actually be happy occasionally.

    If you like those opinions (corrected grammar).
    The quotation marks were a deliberate reference to your tendency to >>regard opinions as fact
    That is a lie.
    It is a fact that you did not correct grammar - you deleted a
    deliberate indication that I believed you were deliberately spreading
    what you should have known is deliberate false propaganda
    I never do that. You are the one that cannot stick to a subject
    and you are the one that refuses to even consider alternate information or >facts.
    , but that in this case the "opinions"
    expressed may be deliberate false propaganda.
    You have totally failed to show that - so show that or piss off once more.
    I did not post the propaganda - apparently you have been taken in by
    it - that says more about you than me.

    I did not post any links to any opinions. What opinions are you referring to?
    The "newspunch" site clearly sets out to give views contrary to those
    of mainstream media. Opinions, or deliberate misinformation?
    Different views - what is wrong with that?
    If you can see nothing wrong with clearly misleading and wrongful disinformation, nothing anyone can say will convince you that black is
    not white.

    , then perhaps you should also consider
    this: >>>>https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/fake-tweet-spurred-anti-vaccine-harassment-campaign-doctor-rcna64448

    In another thread a while ago Tony was looking for examples of hate >>>>speech - do you think this case may have qualified?
    Completely off topic. I refer you to Bill's post - perhaps you could answer
    his
    question
    Completely on topic - you were trying to peddle deliberate >>misinformation - just letting you know what harm deliberate >>misinformation can cause.
    Totally off topic. I have "peddled" nothing. There is no deliberate >misinformation in this thread other than from you.
    Yet again you avoid your own errors; but I suspect it is vecause you
    know your position is indefensible. I can see why you and the John's
    get on so well together . . .
    If you cannot decide what to believe it is because you can only follow the one
    true path (as espoused by left wing, marxist kak.)
    When all else fails, your far right conditioning leads you to abuse .
    . .
    Utter garbage. apart from the fact Tony is far from being far right the only person in this ng who shows indications of conditioning is you Rich. So typical of the woke far left you obviously are! Now instead of posting bullshit how about some REAL
    evidence to support your far left propaganda Rich!

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Jan 9 21:26:23 2023
    On 8 Jan 2023 23:03:38 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-08, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 14:19:26 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: >>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/

    "Since the COVID-19 pandemic began almost three years ago, scientists
    have learned that an initial infection can lead to short- and
    long-term health risks affecting nearly every organ system in the
    body. They?ve also determined that people can get COVID-19 a second or
    a third time, despite acquiring natural antibodies after the first
    infection and receiving vaccination and booster shots."

    So the punitive restrictions imposed by the Ardern government on
    people who chose not to take the experimental "vaccine" (despite
    Ardern going on national television two months before the last
    election promising that this would not happen) were completely
    pointless then?

    If we could discuss, and get the raw data, we might get some way to some >certainty.

    Until then the stance that we have been dooped/screwed over is a good
    place to start.

    Time is working away, slowly as it does, as it has no deadlines.

    I've had covid.

    I've had bad colds that were worse.

    Bill.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Tue Jan 10 10:04:46 2023
    On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 21:26:23 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On 8 Jan 2023 23:03:38 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-01-08, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 14:19:26 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    Multiple inffections will explain many of them: >>>>https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-organ-failure-death/

    "Since the COVID-19 pandemic began almost three years ago, scientists
    have learned that an initial infection can lead to short- and
    long-term health risks affecting nearly every organ system in the
    body. They?ve also determined that people can get COVID-19 a second or
    a third time, despite acquiring natural antibodies after the first
    infection and receiving vaccination and booster shots."

    So the punitive restrictions imposed by the Ardern government on
    people who chose not to take the experimental "vaccine" (despite
    Ardern going on national television two months before the last
    election promising that this would not happen) were completely
    pointless then?

    If we could discuss, and get the raw data, we might get some way to some >>certainty.

    Until then the stance that we have been dooped/screwed over is a good
    place to start.

    Time is working away, slowly as it does, as it has no deadlines.

    I've had covid.

    I've had bad colds that were worse.

    Bill.

    You are lucky. My daughter (in her 40s and vaxxed) is living with us
    at present. She got Covid symptoms but did not realise it at the time
    (RAT was negative) . The next day she developed widespread aches and
    pains to the point where we called an ambulance on advice from her GP
    (nearest hospital is 30 minutes away with a very small ED accessed
    only by ambulances). The St John paramedics administered a RAT -
    negative. Hospital admission organised. ED administered a PCR test - positive. She was put on a drip that included pain relief. Pain
    abated and I picked her up about 6 hours after admission. We all ten
    went through the standard isolation period without incident.

    This illustrates that symptoms can be quite serious regardless of age.
    It also illustrates that we do not have a 'vaccine' for Covid, but we
    do have immune system stimulant medication.

    I am of the belief that the measures taken by the Government for
    COVID19 were appropriate at the start (lockdowns were a standard
    pandemic practice) but when preventative medication (inappropriately
    called a vaccine) was widely administered in a fairly short time then
    lockdowns were no longer necessary and that is where we are at now.
    That preventative medication was the game-changer that allowed most of
    us to return to life as normal.

    Employment mandates, particularly to medical professionals, were
    always an over-reach - the only purpose was to encourage 'vaccination'
    because there was no clinical risks from 'unvaccinated' personnel.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Crash on Tue Jan 10 01:20:21 2023
    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:04:46 +1300, Crash wrote:
    She got Covid symptoms but did not realise it at the time
    (RAT was negative) . The next day she developed widespread aches
    and pains to the point where we called an ambulance on advice from
    her GP (nearest hospital is 30 minutes away with a very small ED
    accessed only by ambulances). The St John paramedics
    administered a RAT - negative. Hospital admission organised.

    I have read that the RATs have to discriminate between the vaxxed and
    the infected, so they are tolerant of vaxx-generated proteins. But
    the vaxxed, when infected, tend to generate vaxx-related proteins
    because of "original antigenic sin", whereas the unvaxxed covid
    proteins differ (N-dimers and all that). Therefore the vaxxed get
    more false RAT negatives than do the unvaxxed -- and that this
    artificially reduces the infection count for the vaxxed. Outcome: the
    vaxx is seen to work, see, less infections!!!

    I cannot attest to the accuracy of this story, but it made for an
    engaging read.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 11 00:12:04 2023
    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:04:46 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:


    I've had covid.

    I've had bad colds that were worse.

    Bill.

    You are lucky. My daughter (in her 40s and vaxxed) is living with us
    at present. She got Covid symptoms but did not realise it at the time
    (RAT was negative) . The next day she developed widespread aches and
    pains to the point where we called an ambulance on advice from her GP >(nearest hospital is 30 minutes away with a very small ED accessed
    only by ambulances). The St John paramedics administered a RAT -
    negative. Hospital admission organised. ED administered a PCR test - >positive. She was put on a drip that included pain relief. Pain
    abated and I picked her up about 6 hours after admission. We all ten
    went through the standard isolation period without incident.

    I once had a case of flu which was as bad as that. It was far worse
    than covid.

    This illustrates that symptoms can be quite serious regardless of age.
    It also illustrates that we do not have a 'vaccine' for Covid, but we
    do have immune system stimulant medication.

    No different to the flu then.

    I am of the belief that the measures taken by the Government for
    COVID19 were appropriate at the start (lockdowns were a standard
    pandemic practice) but when preventative medication (inappropriately
    called a vaccine) was widely administered in a fairly short time then >lockdowns were no longer necessary and that is where we are at now.
    That preventative medication was the game-changer that allowed most of
    us to return to life as normal.

    I took it all seriously until that day the protesters gathered
    together in downtown Auckland during the first level 4 lockdown to
    complain about something that was happening overseas and which was
    none of their business. The authorities stood by and did nothing.

    Then there was the time that pink haired wench, after going on TV and
    telling everyone to stay home and cower in their basements, was filmed
    sitting on a beach next to her friend during a lockdown, no mask and
    in breach of the restrictions.

    Employment mandates, particularly to medical professionals, were
    always an over-reach - the only purpose was to encourage 'vaccination' >because there was no clinical risks from 'unvaccinated' personnel.

    Ardern gave an assurance two months before the last election that
    there would be no penalty for anyone who chooses not to take the fake
    vaccine. She is a liar and cannot be trusted.

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 11 08:03:49 2023
    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 01:20:21 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:04:46 +1300, Crash wrote:
    She got Covid symptoms but did not realise it at the time
    (RAT was negative) . The next day she developed widespread aches
    and pains to the point where we called an ambulance on advice from
    her GP (nearest hospital is 30 minutes away with a very small ED
    accessed only by ambulances). The St John paramedics
    administered a RAT - negative. Hospital admission organised.

    I have read that the RATs have to discriminate between the vaxxed and
    the infected, so they are tolerant of vaxx-generated proteins. But
    the vaxxed, when infected, tend to generate vaxx-related proteins
    because of "original antigenic sin", whereas the unvaxxed covid
    proteins differ (N-dimers and all that). Therefore the vaxxed get
    more false RAT negatives than do the unvaxxed -- and that this
    artificially reduces the infection count for the vaxxed. Outcome: the
    vaxx is seen to work, see, less infections!!!

    I cannot attest to the accuracy of this story, but it made for an
    engaging read.

    Science fiction or propaganda?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 10 19:20:08 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 01:20:21 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:04:46 +1300, Crash wrote:
    She got Covid symptoms but did not realise it at the time
    (RAT was negative) . The next day she developed widespread aches
    and pains to the point where we called an ambulance on advice from
    her GP (nearest hospital is 30 minutes away with a very small ED
    accessed only by ambulances). The St John paramedics
    administered a RAT - negative. Hospital admission organised.

    I have read that the RATs have to discriminate between the vaxxed and
    the infected, so they are tolerant of vaxx-generated proteins. But
    the vaxxed, when infected, tend to generate vaxx-related proteins
    because of "original antigenic sin", whereas the unvaxxed covid
    proteins differ (N-dimers and all that). Therefore the vaxxed get
    more false RAT negatives than do the unvaxxed -- and that this
    artificially reduces the infection count for the vaxxed. Outcome: the
    vaxx is seen to work, see, less infections!!!

    I cannot attest to the accuracy of this story, but it made for an
    engaging read.

    Science fiction or propaganda?
    Or another idea that your totally inept and untrained scientific process refuses to review or consider.
    The difference between you and everybody else here is plain to see. We are open-minded, you are scientifically untrained and close-minded.
    However your sarcasm is very much alive and unwell.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Jan 11 06:44:26 2023
    On 2023-01-10, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 01:20:21 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:04:46 +1300, Crash wrote:
    She got Covid symptoms but did not realise it at the time
    (RAT was negative) . The next day she developed widespread aches
    and pains to the point where we called an ambulance on advice from
    her GP (nearest hospital is 30 minutes away with a very small ED >>>>accessed only by ambulances). The St John paramedics
    administered a RAT - negative. Hospital admission organised.

    I have read that the RATs have to discriminate between the vaxxed and
    the infected, so they are tolerant of vaxx-generated proteins. But
    the vaxxed, when infected, tend to generate vaxx-related proteins
    because of "original antigenic sin", whereas the unvaxxed covid
    proteins differ (N-dimers and all that). Therefore the vaxxed get
    more false RAT negatives than do the unvaxxed -- and that this >>>artificially reduces the infection count for the vaxxed. Outcome: the >>>vaxx is seen to work, see, less infections!!!

    I cannot attest to the accuracy of this story, but it made for an >>>engaging read.

    Science fiction or propaganda?
    Or another idea that your totally inept and untrained scientific process refuses to review or consider.
    The difference between you and everybody else here is plain to see. We are open-minded, you are scientifically untrained and close-minded.
    However your sarcasm is very much alive and unwell.

    Thanks Tony, no need for me to reply.

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