Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was around
1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) baggage.
But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of seconds that
it was last week....
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was around
1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) baggage.
But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of seconds that
it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted)
baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of
seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted)
baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of
seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone else,
will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:22:29 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted)
baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of
seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
See <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown>
You need to look for your own firmware updates by the looks....
Mainstream support ended in 2015; https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet You only get security updates....?
Once upon a time on usenet Malcolm wrote:Hi
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:22:29 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to
be (finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates
that presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws.
Was around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably
unwanted) baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the
several 10s of seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any
update patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
See <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown>
You need to look for your own firmware updates by the looks....
Mainstream support ended in 2015; https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet You only get security updates....?
According to that site Computers with Win 7 Pro installed were still
being sold up until October 2016 (though I could have sworn I saw a
new laptop last year for sale with W7). That's a really short support
period.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:22:29 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted)
baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of
seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
See <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown>
You need to look for your own firmware updates by the looks....
Mainstream support ended in 2015; https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet You only get security updates....?
On 2018-01-17 02:00:53 +0000, Malcolm said:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:22:29 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be >>>>>> (finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted)
baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of
seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
See
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown>
You need to look for your own firmware updates by the looks....
Mainstream support ended in 2015;
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet >>
You only get security updates....?
Yep, "Mainstream Support" ended on 13 January, 2015
"Extended Support" (which is basically security patches) is planned to
end on 14 January, 2020.
So there *should* be a patch for the CPU problems, but there was a
recent news item about Microsoft pulling current patches and refusing to release any further patches due to some people ending up with unusable / unbootable computers. I didn't read it that carefully, but think they
were waiting for Intel to make a proper fix for the problems.
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was around
1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) baggage.
But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of seconds that
it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone else,
will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
On 2018-01-17 02:00:53 +0000, Malcolm said:
You only get security updates....?
Yep, "Mainstream Support" ended on 13 January, 2015
"Extended Support" (which is basically security patches) is planned to
end on 14 January, 2020.
So there *should* be a patch for the CPU problems, but there was a
recent news item about Microsoft pulling current patches and refusing to release any further patches due to some people ending up with unusable / unbootable computers. I didn't read it that carefully, but think they
were waiting for Intel to make a proper fix for the problems.
On 17/01/2018 6:49 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-01-17 02:00:53 +0000, Malcolm said:
You only get security updates....?
Yep, "Mainstream Support" ended on 13 January, 2015
"Extended Support" (which is basically security patches) is planned to
end on 14 January, 2020.
So there *should* be a patch for the CPU problems, but there was a
recent news item about Microsoft pulling current patches and refusing
to release any further patches due to some people ending up with
unusable / unbootable computers. I didn't read it that carefully, but
think they were waiting for Intel to make a proper fix for the problems.
I think you'll find most large corporations (and medium and small ones)
still run primarily on 7.
Where I am certainly still gets regular updates, both security and other.
On 17/01/18 18:49, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-01-17 02:00:53 +0000, Malcolm said:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:22:29 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be >>>>>>> (finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) >>>>>>> baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of >>>>>>> seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update >>>>> patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
See
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown>
You need to look for your own firmware updates by the looks....
Mainstream support ended in 2015;
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet >>> You only get security updates....?
Yep, "Mainstream Support" ended on 13 January, 2015
"Extended Support" (which is basically security patches) is planned to
end on 14 January, 2020.
So there *should* be a patch for the CPU problems, but there was a
recent news item about Microsoft pulling current patches and refusing
to release any further patches due to some people ending up with
unusable / unbootable computers. I didn't read it that carefully, but
think they were waiting for Intel to make a proper fix for the problems.
Happy new year from Intel, AMD etc.........
Don't use microsloth anymore but I see they have a NEW site for updates. Maybe try your luck here...
https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-us/
Meanwhile in linux-land, so far fairly easy. Used update tool
(synaptic) to install patched microcode for intel processor.
Latest versions for browser and other applications. New automated backup software running. Kernel update pending...............
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was around
1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) baggage.
But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of seconds that
it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone else,
will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
On 2018-01-17 02:00:53 +0000, Malcolm said:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:22:29 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be >>>>>> (finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted)
baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of
seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
See
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown>
You need to look for your own firmware updates by the looks....
Mainstream support ended in 2015;
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet >> You only get security updates....?
Yep, "Mainstream Support" ended on 13 January, 2015
"Extended Support" (which is basically security patches) is planned to
end on 14 January, 2020.
So there *should* be a patch for the CPU problems, but there was a
recent news item about Microsoft pulling current patches and refusing
to release any further patches due to some people ending up with
unusable / unbootable computers. I didn't read it that carefully, but
think they were waiting for Intel to make a proper fix for the problems.
Once upon a time on usenet Malcolm wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:22:29 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be >>>>>> (finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted)
baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of
seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
:) Likewise.
See
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown>
You need to look for your own firmware updates by the looks....
Cheers.
Mainstream support ended in 2015;
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet >> You only get security updates....?
Wow I'm getting old! It was only a couple of years ago Win 7 was released.
;)
Security updates should cover this surely?
On 2018-01-17, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2018-01-17 02:00:53 +0000, Malcolm said:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:22:29 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Your Name wrote:
On 2018-01-16 23:30:10 +0000, ~misfit~ said:
Once upon a time on usenet Geoff wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be >>>>>>> (finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) >>>>>>> baggage. But boot-up time now much slower than the several 10s of >>>>>>> seconds
that it was last week....
I haven't seen these updates for Win 7?
You probably won't. It's unlikely Microsoft or Apple, nor anyone
else, will bother releasing updates for what they consider to be
out-dated operating systems or 'obsolete' computers.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update >>>>> patches either.
Microsoft still support Win 7 (according to them at least).
Hi and Happy NEw yEAR ;)
See
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown>
You need to look for your own firmware updates by the looks....
Mainstream support ended in 2015;
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet >>> You only get security updates....?
Yep, "Mainstream Support" ended on 13 January, 2015
"Extended Support" (which is basically security patches) is planned to
end on 14 January, 2020.
So there *should* be a patch for the CPU problems, but there was a
recent news item about Microsoft pulling current patches and refusing
to release any further patches due to some people ending up with
unusable / unbootable computers. I didn't read it that carefully, but
think they were waiting for Intel to make a proper fix for the problems.
Meltdown and Spectre are *hardware* bugs. Right in the guts of the CPU. Software patches can only "manage" the problem. Fixing the problem requires some alterations within the CPU. Not going happen to existing ones, the millions of them in use.
AMD CPUs are not imumne. Some ARM ones also vunerable.
The near-future versions will also not have the bug fixed either. Intel
has already said the next two(?) releases will not have been physically
fixed because they have already been designed and are in various stages
of production. I recall reading somewhere that chips that are actually hardware fixed won't start being sold to computer makers until about
2020, if not a bit later.
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was around
1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) baggage.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:26:43 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was
around 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted)
baggage.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
PowerPC chips do not need these patches.
Only Intel chips are flawed.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:26:43 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was around
1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) baggage.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
PowerPC chips do not need these patches.
Only Intel chips are flawed.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:28:54 -0000 (UTC), Judges1318 <caiaphas@iudaea.imperia> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:26:43 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Don't know about other OS updates, but Windows installs seem to be
(finally !) settling down after the recent massive updates that
presumably incorporated the fixes for the basic CPU flaws. Was around >>>>> 1GB for Win10, and included much other (probably unwanted) baggage.
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
PowerPC chips do not need these patches.
Only Intel chips are flawed.
Utter Rubbish, the PowerPC chip is affected by the Spectre flaw..
IBM is releasing update Patches for its systems using PowerPC chips..
Gee is this News Group full of no nothings..?
On 2018-01-26 19:06:39 +0000, Ryzen Boy said:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:28:54 -0000 (UTC), Judges1318
<caiaphas@iudaea.imperia> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:26:43 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update
patches either.
PowerPC chips do not need these patches.
Only Intel chips are flawed.
Utter Rubbish, the PowerPC chip is affected by the Spectre flaw..
Yep, Intel, AMD, ARM, PowerPC, Apple's A-series, ... *almost* every
chipmaker and *almost* every chip and *almost* every device (not just
actual computers and smartphones!) made in the last 15-20 years is
affected in one way or another.
Most devices will never be patched because they're simply too old for manufacturers to bother with or because they can't be patched (a device
with only a ROM-based code, for example).
Plus, because the new, non-flawed chip designs are still at least a
couple of years away (assuming they can work out *how* to fix them), new devices for the next couple of years or so will also need to have the
patch installed by the device manufacturers in the factory.
IBM is releasing update Patches for its systems using PowerPC chips..
IBM may be releasing a patch to it's manufacturing partners (as Intel
did), but it's doubtful that those companies which used PowerPC chips
will bother to make and release a patch to the public for their devices
... Apple are unlikely to bother releasing an update for old Macs, Sony
and Microsoft are unlikely to release a patch for old Playstation and
Xbox consoles, etc.
So the reality is that those still using PowerPC chips will never get
any update patches. There might or might not be patches made for newer devices still using PowerPC chips, such as some modem-routers, maybe
even the crappy new in-name-only "Amiga" might get one (for the
half-a-dozen people who actually bought one!), but it's up to each manufacturer.
Gee is this News Group full of no nothings..?
*This* newsgroup?!? Try almost *EVERY* newsgroup. :-\
[ Does that include you for not knowing how to spell "know". ;-) ]
The Apple ones are full of know-nothings, anti-Apple morons, and trolls spouting brainless garbage. Thank goodness decent newsreader apps have a killfile / filter system!
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:11:44 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2018-01-26 19:06:39 +0000, Ryzen Boy said:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:28:54 -0000 (UTC), Judges1318
<caiaphas@iudaea.imperia> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:26:43 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Similarly, those still using PowerPC chips will never get any update >>>>> patches either.
PowerPC chips do not need these patches.
Only Intel chips are flawed.
Utter Rubbish, the PowerPC chip is affected by the Spectre flaw..
Yep, Intel, AMD, ARM, PowerPC, Apple's A-series, ... *almost* every
chipmaker and *almost* every chip and *almost* every device (not just
actual computers and smartphones!) made in the last 15-20 years is
affected in one way or another.
Most devices will never be patched because they're simply too old for
manufacturers to bother with or because they can't be patched (a device
with only a ROM-based code, for example).
Plus, because the new, non-flawed chip designs are still at least a
couple of years away (assuming they can work out *how* to fix them), new
devices for the next couple of years or so will also need to have the
patch installed by the device manufacturers in the factory.
Yes the non flawed chip Designs are still a few Years away..
No the Patch does not need to be installed by the device Manufacturers
in the Factory..
IBM is releasing update Patches for its systems using PowerPC chips..
IBM may be releasing a patch to it's manufacturing partners (as Intel
did), but it's doubtful that those companies which used PowerPC chips
will bother to make and release a patch to the public for their devices
... Apple are unlikely to bother releasing an update for old Macs, Sony
and Microsoft are unlikely to release a patch for old Playstation and
Xbox consoles, etc.
IBM's update Patches are only for its [sic] POWER7+ and later Processors which are 2012 and later, there are no IBM patches for the PowerPC
chips used in old Apple Mac computers..
So the reality is that those still using PowerPC chips will never get
any update patches. There might or might not be patches made for newer
devices still using PowerPC chips, such as some modem-routers, maybe
even the crappy new in-name-only "Amiga" might get one (for the
half-a-dozen people who actually bought one!), but it's up to each
manufacturer.
Those using POWER7+ and later chips with Linux will get the Patches from
Red Hat SUSE and Canonical, this is not the device Manufacturer in the Factory..
Gee is this News Group full of no nothings..?
*This* newsgroup?!? Try almost *EVERY* newsgroup. :-\
[ Does that include you for not knowing how to spell "know". ;-) ]
No, I did mean to write "no nothing" not "know nothing"..
A no nothing is a chap who does not say nothing when he knows nothing,
he also cannot say he knows nothing, he spouts off with Utter Rubbish instead..
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