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    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 7 07:09:11 2024
    Does anybody else visiting metservice.com see a message at the top saying “You must enable DRM to play some audio or video on this page”?

    Firefox keeps telling me that, but I can’t see why. I see a video on the page, I can click and it plays fine.

    I have seen this sort of thing on some other sites as well.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Mar 8 18:56:38 2024
    On Thu, 7 Mar 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Does anybody else visiting metservice.com see a message at the top saying >“You must enable DRM to play some audio or video on this page”?

    Firefox keeps telling me that, but I can’t see why. I see a video on the >page, I can click and it plays fine.

    I have seen this sort of thing on some other sites as well.

    Microsoft widget. I don't want to see their extra videos (probably
    ads) so I never check it.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Fri Mar 8 20:21:12 2024
    On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:56:38 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

    Microsoft widget.

    I don’t run Microsoft.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 14 09:01:00 2024
    Am 07.03.2024 schrieb Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:

    Firefox keeps telling me that, but I can’t see why. I see a video on
    the page, I can click and it plays fine.

    Maybe already enabled in FF. Check the settings.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Thu Mar 14 20:37:38 2024
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:01:00 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

    Am 07.03.2024 schrieb Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:

    Firefox keeps telling me that, but I can’t see why. I see a video on
    the page, I can click and it plays fine.

    Maybe already enabled in FF. Check the settings.

    I’ve never enabled it.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 10:52:46 2024
    Am 14.03.2024 schrieb Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:

    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:01:00 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

    Am 07.03.2024 schrieb Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:

    Firefox keeps telling me that, but I can’t see why. I see a video
    on the page, I can click and it plays fine.

    Maybe already enabled in FF. Check the settings.

    I’ve never enabled it.

    Maybe it is enabled by default.

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sat Mar 16 08:06:56 2024
    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:52:46 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 14.03.2024 schrieb Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:01:00 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 07.03.2024 schrieb Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:

    Does anybody else visiting metservice.com see a message at the top saying >>>> “You must enable DRM to play some audio or video on this page”?

    Firefox keeps telling me that, but I can’t see why. I see a video
    on the page, I can click and it plays fine.

    Maybe already enabled in FF. Check the settings.

    If DRM were already enabled, it is not clear why would Firefox then
    say “You must enable DRM to...”

    I’ve never enabled it.

    Maybe it is enabled by default.

    Enough armchair theorizing. Here is a real test visiting metservice.com:
    * screen-shot: <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=27_ut15pf__you_must_enable_drm.png>

    As shown in the screen-shot
    * The error message appears, along with a button “Enable DRM”.
    * DRM is disabled.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊

    Empty vessels make the greatest sound.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Ralph Fox on Sat Mar 16 00:54:28 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:06:56 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

    * The error message appears, along with a button “Enable DRM”.
    * DRM is disabled.

    I am also seeing it on this page <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hawkes-bay-rse-workers-pay-complaint-widens-to-include-horticulture-nz-become-major-case-in-employment-court/VEJ5MPZHAJGN5NVFKL3TZHS7GQ/>,
    but not for example on their home page <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/>.

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sat Mar 16 21:53:37 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:54:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:06:56 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

    * The error message appears, along with a button “Enable DRM”.
    * DRM is disabled.

    I am also seeing it on this page <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hawkes-bay-rse-workers-pay-complaint-widens-to-include-horticulture-nz-become-major-case-in-employment-court/VEJ5MPZHAJGN5NVFKL3TZHS7GQ/>,

    Firefox’s ⌜︎ Page Info >> Media ⌝︎ reports 3 videos on this page, two with https: URIs and one with the blob: URI scheme.

    but not for example on their home page <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/>.

    Firefox’s ⌜︎ Page Info >> Media ⌝︎ reports no videos on this page.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊

    Look before you leap, For snakes among sweet flowers do creep.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Ralph Fox on Sat Mar 16 21:47:31 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:53:37 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

    Firefox’s ⌜︎ Page Info >> Media ⌝︎ reports 3 videos on this page, two with https: URIs and one with the blob: URI scheme.

    Thanks for checking, but I’m not sure that “blob” indicates anything very significant: I see it regularly on pages with no DRM-locked videos.

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Mar 17 13:20:13 2024
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:53:37 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:54:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    I am also seeing it on this page
    <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hawkes-bay-rse-workers-pay-complaint-widens-to-include-horticulture-nz-become-major-case-in-employment-court/VEJ5MPZHAJGN5NVFKL3TZHS7GQ/>,

    Firefox’s ⌜︎ Page Info >> Media ⌝︎ reports 3 videos on this page,
    two with https: URIs and one with the blob: URI scheme.

    but not for example on their home page <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/>.

    Firefox’s ⌜︎ Page Info >> Media ⌝︎ reports no videos on this page.

    Thanks for checking, but I’m not sure that “blob” indicates anything very
    significant: I see it regularly on pages with no DRM-locked videos.

    OTOH I would have expected that “no videos” was a significant indication for you seeing “but not for example on their home page”.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox

    ☘️ Éire go Brách

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  • From BungleBob@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Mar 17 13:35:35 2024
    On 2024-03-14 20:37:38 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro said:
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:01:00 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 07.03.2024 schrieb Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>:

    Firefox keeps telling me that, but I can’t see why. I see a video on
    the page, I can click and it plays fine.

    Maybe already enabled in FF. Check the settings.

    I’ve never enabled it.

    If the message is actually saying "*Yo* Must Enable DRM", then it's
    probably a fake message ... or a website trying to act "cool" and jjust
    looking lame. ;-)

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to BungleBob on Sun Mar 17 01:05:04 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 13:35:35 +1300, BungleBob wrote:

    If the message is actually saying "*Yo* Must Enable DRM", then it's
    probably a fake message ... or a website trying to act "cool" and jjust looking lame. ;-)

    Websites cannot fake messages that look like they came from the browser.

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  • From BungleBob@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Mar 17 17:41:59 2024
    On 2024-03-17 01:05:04 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro said:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 13:35:35 +1300, BungleBob wrote:

    If the message is actually saying "*Yo* Must Enable DRM", then it's
    probably a fake message ... or a website trying to act "cool" and jjust
    looking lame. ;-)

    Websites cannot fake messages that look like they came from the browser.

    A. It was a joke.

    B. Websites can and do fake browser messages. That's how some scams
    can get people to download and install malware.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to BungleBob on Sun Mar 17 05:36:18 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:41:59 +1300, BungleBob wrote:

    A. It was a joke.

    B. Websites can and do fake browser messages.

    Those two cannot both be simultaneously true.

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  • From BungleBob@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Mar 17 18:40:04 2024
    On 2024-03-17 05:36:18 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro said:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:41:59 +1300, BungleBob wrote:

    A. It was a joke.

    B. Websites can and do fake browser messages.

    Those two cannot both be simultaneously true.

    FFS ... whatever idiocy you want to beleive. :-\
    Why do so many people switch their brains off when they connect to the internet??

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to BungleBob on Sun Mar 17 19:41:04 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:41:59 +1300, BungleBob wrote:
    On 2024-03-17 01:05:04 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro said:

    Websites cannot fake messages that look like they came from the browser.

    Websites can and do fake browser messages. That's how some scams
    can get people to download and install malware.

    Indeed. This message appears as a full-width banner across the top
    of the web page and could easily be faked with a little HTML on the
    website. While the website could not maike the “Enable DRM” button
    on the banner actually enable DRM in the browser, none of Lawrence’s
    posts have said he checked whether the button worked. Lawrence has
    only written about the (easily fakeable) message itself.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox

    ☘️ Éire go Brách

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 17 06:26:23 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 05:36:18 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:41:59 +1300, BungleBob wrote:

    A. It was a joke.

    B. Websites can and do fake browser messages.

    Those two cannot both be simultaneously true.

    Or were you trying to cover yourself both ways by “pleading in the alternative”, like a lawyer?

    “My client wasn’t there, your honour. And even if he was, he didn’t mean to do it.”

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Ralph Fox on Sun Mar 17 07:29:39 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:41:04 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

    This message appears as a full-width banner across the top of
    the web page ...

    It appears above the panel containing the address and search fields and
    other buttons. No website can put anything there.

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Mar 17 22:14:15 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 07:29:39 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:41:04 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

    This message appears as a full-width banner across the top of
    the web page ...

    It appears above the panel containing the address and search fields and
    other buttons. No website can put anything there.

    Not here it doesn't. See my screenshot link in my earlier post <URL:news:nv69vi96knd6cbe1b4447gd49mcj58pnna@4ax.com>.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox

    ☘️ Éire go Brách

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Ralph Fox on Sun Mar 17 21:18:32 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:14:15 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 07:29:39 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    It appears above the panel containing the address and search fields and
    other buttons. No website can put anything there.

    Not here it doesn't. See my screenshot link in my earlier post

    You’re right, I did get it the wrong way round.

    How to tell it’s not from the website?

    Here’s a more subtle way: the page can intercept right-click, but it
    cannot intercept shift-right-click. You can shift-right-click on any part
    of the page proper, and see the usual menu including the “Inspect” option, no matter what event handlers the page may have installed. Whereas the
    panel showing that message does not respond to shift-right-clicks.

    I really thought there would be a better demarcation than that.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Ralph Fox on Mon Mar 18 06:34:24 2024
    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 19:21:57 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:18:32 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    Here’s a more subtle way: the page can intercept right-click, but it
    cannot intercept shift-right-click.

    In the Firefox and SeaMonkey browsers. But in the Chrome and MS-Edge browsers, the page *can* intercept shift-right-click.

    Guess which one I will stick with ...

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Mon Mar 18 19:21:57 2024
    On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:18:32 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    Here’s a more subtle way: the page can intercept right-click, but it
    cannot intercept shift-right-click.

    In the Firefox and SeaMonkey browsers. But in the Chrome and MS-Edge
    browsers, the page *can* intercept shift-right-click.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊

    Every man will shoot at an enemy, but few will go to fetch the shaft.

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