• Google Groups is ending support for Usenet in February 2024

    From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 17:02:16 2023
    Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.

    <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
        (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
        to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
        view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
        February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The good news:
    * In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
    Google Groups.
    * The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
    2024.

    The bad news (for some):
    * For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
    to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
    * For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
    after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊

    Time fleeth away without delay.

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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 23 11:13:58 2023
    In article <ldinnipqg4ue284acc2dv3v583usj27btb@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
    @-.invalid says...

    Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.

    <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
    (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
    to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
    view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
    February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The good news:
    * In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
    Google Groups.
    * The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
    2024.

    The bad news (for some):
    * For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
    to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
    * For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
    after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.

    Well, one good thing has come of this at least (aside from an end date
    for the recent spam tsunami): I've restored my news server from backups
    and got everything going again in preparation for Google Groups going
    away. And with an easy way of filtering out all the spam from Ras its
    actually possible to read nz.* again! Should have done this sooner.

    Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away though!

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  • From BungleBob@21:1/5 to David Goodwin on Sat Dec 23 12:53:49 2023
    On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:

    In article <ldinnipqg4ue284acc2dv3v583usj27btb@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
    @-.invalid says...

    Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.

    <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
    (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
    to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
    view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
    February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The good news:
    * In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
    Google Groups.
    * The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
    2024.

    The bad news (for some):
    * For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
    to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
    * For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
    after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.

    Well, one good thing has come of this at least (aside from an end date
    for the recent spam tsunami): I've restored my news server from backups
    and got everything going again in preparation for Google Groups going
    away. And with an easy way of filtering out all the spam from Ras its actually possible to read nz.* again! Should have done this sooner.

    Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away though!

    Not as easily searchable, but there is
    https://www.usenetarchives.com

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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 23 14:29:44 2023
    In article <um57id$1op1i$1@dont-email.me>, bunglebob@thejungle.com
    says...

    On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:

    In article <ldinnipqg4ue284acc2dv3v583usj27btb@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
    @-.invalid says...

    Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.

    <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
    (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
    to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
    view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
    February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The good news:
    * In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
    Google Groups.
    * The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
    2024.

    The bad news (for some):
    * For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
    to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
    * For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
    after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.

    Well, one good thing has come of this at least (aside from an end date
    for the recent spam tsunami): I've restored my news server from backups
    and got everything going again in preparation for Google Groups going
    away. And with an easy way of filtering out all the spam from Ras its actually possible to read nz.* again! Should have done this sooner.

    Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away though!

    Not as easily searchable, but there is
    https://www.usenetarchives.com

    Yeah, found that yesterday - seems like a decent start, though its
    missing some newsgroups and some recent stuff for those it does have.
    But I imagine that's just because the people behind the site are working
    on other things given most of the big usenet providers seem to have
    everything back to ~2003 ready for archiving.

    There is also narkive.com (eg, https://nz.comp.narkive.com/) - this has
    been around for years but it is also not comprehensive. The person
    behind it recently posted on news.admin.peering that they had plans for improvements and had bought a cluster of servers to implement "pretty
    much state of the art" searching but that work has been derailed by
    other commitments (real work by the sounds of it).

    I guess most archives are probably going to end up being pretty spotty
    between 1991 (the end of the utzoo archive) and 2003 (about as far back
    as most commercial providers go) unless Google is willing to hand their archives off to someone else when they inevitably decide to stop hosting
    it themselves.

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  • From Kerr Avon@21:1/5 to Ralph Fox on Sat Dec 23 14:39:20 2023
    On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:02:16 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

    Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.

    I'm please to read this, it seems to have been a source of a lot of SPAM
    in recent times.

    The good news:
    * In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
    Google Groups.
    * The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
    2024.

    In the case of Agency News I ended up adding filtering to the incoming NNTP feeds I peer with a few weeks back. Lordy there was a lot of SPAM coming
    in. While I'm sad to have to implement such a blanket filter it became the necessary thing to do.

    I guess the Google Groups shutdown for newsgroups may well be related to
    the minority of 'real' users on Usenet launching a complaints barrage to
    Google about it?


    The bad news (for some):
    * For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
    to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
    * For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
    after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.

    Yep :)

    --
    Agency News | news.bbs.nz

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to BungleBob on Sat Dec 23 14:54:47 2023
    On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:53:49 +1300, BungleBob wrote:
    On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:


    Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away
    though!

    As I read Google's announcement, the existing easily searchable Usenet
    archives will remain. But now new posts after 22 February 2024 will
    be added to those archives.

    How long the existing archives will remain is another question.


    Not as easily searchable, but there is
    https://www.usenetarchives.com

    UsenetArchives.com is very badly incomplete. For example, comparing
    what UsenetArchives.com has in nz.comp with the actual numbers of
    posts (excluding Ras) in nz.comp ...

    Time Range UsenetArchives.com Should be (excluding Ras)
    ----------- ------------------ -------------------------
    2011-2012: 0 posts 8711 posts
    2013: 4 posts 2312 posts
    2014: 1 post 1305 posts
    2015-today: 0 posts 2407 posts

    UsenetArchives.com also does not let you see a post's headers.


    Some other archives are:

    NovaBBS -- <https://www.novabbs.com/>
    * Limited number of groups.
    * Some search capability.
    * Up to date, within a few days.
    * History/retention nowhere near as extensive as Google groups.
    * Lets you see a posts's headers (check the box next to the "by:").

    Narkive -- for example, nz.comp -> <https://nz.comp.narkive.com/>
    * Large number of groups.
    * No search capability AFAIK.
    * Usually up to date, within a few days.
    * Does not let you see a posts's headers AFAIK.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊

    They that have good store of butter may lay it thick on their bread.

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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 23 15:18:16 2023
    In article <3ffcoip97hd90i6optbq5kgfbefv80b39e@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
    @-.invalid says...

    On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:53:49 +1300, BungleBob wrote:
    On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:


    Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away >> though!

    As I read Google's announcement, the existing easily searchable Usenet archives will remain. But now new posts after 22 February 2024 will
    be added to those archives.

    How long the existing archives will remain is another question.

    Which is really a bit of a concern. Stuff prior to 1995 Google got from elsewhere (like the utzoo archives), while stuff from 2003 onwards is
    available from lots of places. But AFAIK only really Deja/Google were
    archiving all text newsgroups between 1995 and 2003 so if/when Google eventually decides to remove usenet content entirely those archives are
    gone for good unless Google donates them to somewhere like the IA.

    And given the legal difficulties IA had simply having the utzoo archives available for download I wouldn't be surprised if handing the archives
    over to some other entity was more trouble than its worth for Google.

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  • From BungleBob@21:1/5 to David Goodwin on Sat Dec 23 18:26:16 2023
    On 2023-12-23 02:18:16 +0000, David Goodwin said:
    In article <3ffcoip97hd90i6optbq5kgfbefv80b39e@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
    @-.invalid says...
    On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:53:49 +1300, BungleBob wrote:
    On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:

    Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away >>>> though!

    As I read Google's announcement, the existing easily searchable Usenet
    archives will remain. But now new posts after 22 February 2024 will
    be added to those archives.

    How long the existing archives will remain is another question.

    Which is really a bit of a concern. Stuff prior to 1995 Google got from elsewhere (like the utzoo archives), while stuff from 2003 onwards is available from lots of places. But AFAIK only really Deja/Google were archiving all text newsgroups between 1995 and 2003 so if/when Google eventually decides to remove usenet content entirely those archives are
    gone for good unless Google donates them to somewhere like the IA.

    And given the legal difficulties IA had simply having the utzoo archives available for download I wouldn't be surprised if handing the archives
    over to some other entity was more trouble than its worth for Google.

    UsenentArchives.com has posts going way back to alomst current.

    For example, their nz.comp posts start in 1991 and go through to 2014.
    I don't know how busy this newsgroup is usually (I haven't seen
    anything in here for years), but they have 254 discussions / threads.

    According to a Reddit post from three years ago:

    "Usenet fans: UsenetArchives.com now includes UTZOO-Wiseman tapes
    of the earliest internet posts made between Feb 1981 and June 1991"

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/j7ebxd/usenet_fans_usenetarchivescom_now_includes/>

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Kerr Avon on Sat Dec 23 18:38:59 2023
    On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:39:20 +1300 (NZDT), Kerr Avon wrote:

    I guess the Google Groups shutdown for newsgroups may well be related to
    the minority of 'real' users on Usenet launching a complaints barrage to Google about it?


    I might presume so.

    OTOH Google's previous responses to a complaints barrage over spam from
    Google Groups in a newsgroup has been to respond as if it means Google
    needs to protect Google Groups users from spam originating in Usenet.
    For example, this (below) happened in 2021 due to complaints about upper-case-subject Italian-language spam originating from Google groups
    in mozilla.support.seamonkey.

    <https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey>

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                            Banned content warning        mozilla.support.seamonkey has been identified as containing spam,                     malware, or other malicious content.      For more information about content policies on Google Groups see our             Help Center article on abuse and our Terms of Service.                              [ Back to safety ]      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊

    Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 23 19:59:18 2023
    In article <um5r1o$1v0v8$1@dont-email.me>, bunglebob@thejungle.com
    says...

    On 2023-12-23 02:18:16 +0000, David Goodwin said:
    In article <3ffcoip97hd90i6optbq5kgfbefv80b39e@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
    @-.invalid says...
    On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:53:49 +1300, BungleBob wrote:
    On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:

    Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away >>>> though!

    As I read Google's announcement, the existing easily searchable Usenet
    archives will remain. But now new posts after 22 February 2024 will
    be added to those archives.

    How long the existing archives will remain is another question.

    Which is really a bit of a concern. Stuff prior to 1995 Google got from elsewhere (like the utzoo archives), while stuff from 2003 onwards is available from lots of places. But AFAIK only really Deja/Google were archiving all text newsgroups between 1995 and 2003 so if/when Google eventually decides to remove usenet content entirely those archives are gone for good unless Google donates them to somewhere like the IA.

    And given the legal difficulties IA had simply having the utzoo archives available for download I wouldn't be surprised if handing the archives
    over to some other entity was more trouble than its worth for Google.

    UsenentArchives.com has posts going way back to alomst current.

    For example, their nz.comp posts start in 1991 and go through to 2014.
    I don't know how busy this newsgroup is usually (I haven't seen
    anything in here for years), but they have 254 discussions / threads.

    They *should* have more recent stuff, but I think I read somewhere that
    they are currently hiding threads with fewer than 5 articles to limit
    the load crawlers put on the site. I guess that might explain why there
    isn't anything post 2014 for this newsgroup.

    According to a Reddit post from three years ago:

    "Usenet fans: UsenetArchives.com now includes UTZOO-Wiseman tapes
    of the earliest internet posts made between Feb 1981 and June 1991"

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/j7ebxd/usenet_fans_usenetarchivescom_now_includes/>

    The utzoo archives have been floating around for about 20 years - pretty
    much since shortly after Google acquired Deja and launched Google Groups
    with usenet access. But I don't think they would contain much if
    anything from nz.comp (too old). In fact, its surprising
    usenetarchives.com has *anything* for nz.comp prior to ~2003. I wonder
    who was archiving it in the 90s besides Deja and where the
    usenetarchives.com guy found the archives!

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to David Goodwin on Sat Dec 23 20:25:38 2023
    On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:59:18 +1300, David Goodwin wrote:
    In article <um5r1o$1v0v8$1@dont-email.me>, bunglebob@thejungle.com
    says...

    UsenentArchives.com has posts going way back to alomst current.

    For example, their nz.comp posts start in 1991 and go through to 2014.
    I don't know how busy this newsgroup is usually (I haven't seen
    anything in here for years), but they have 254 discussions / threads.

    They *should* have more recent stuff, but I think I read somewhere that
    they are currently hiding threads with fewer than 5 articles to limit
    the load crawlers put on the site. I guess that might explain why there
    isn't anything post 2014 for this newsgroup.


    There are enough threads with 5 or more posts in this newsgroup *after*
    2014, to say "don't buy that excuse". For example, BungleBob's thread
    "Why do companies make it so hard?? Part 97" started on 29 Nov 2022 has
    9 posts in the thread.
    REF: <https://nz.comp.narkive.com/8LiDbwdH/why-do-companies-make-it-so-hard-part-97>


    Or this thread started 20 Jul 2022 which has 11 posts:
    REF: <https://nz.comp.narkive.com/wpECz6Gu/why-do-companies-make-it-so-hard-part-2>



    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊

    Idle folks lack no excuses.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 28 12:26:08 2023
    Am 23.12.2023 schrieb Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>:

    On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:39:20 +1300 (NZDT), Kerr Avon wrote:

    I guess the Google Groups shutdown for newsgroups may well be
    related to the minority of 'real' users on Usenet launching a
    complaints barrage to Google about it?


    I might presume so.

    OTOH Google's previous responses to a complaints barrage over spam
    from Google Groups in a newsgroup has been to respond as if it means
    Google needs to protect Google Groups users from spam originating in
    Usenet. For example, this (below) happened in 2021 due to complaints
    about upper-case-subject Italian-language spam originating from
    Google groups in mozilla.support.seamonkey.

    <https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey>

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Banned content warning        mozilla.support.seamonkey has been identified as containing spam, malware, or other malicious content.
         For more information about content policies on Google Groups see our Help Center article on abuse and our Terms of Service.                              [ Back to safety ]      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That clearly show how braindead Google is.

    That banner also affect other groups.
    The only positive thing: Spammers can't abuse GG to spam in that group.

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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 23 08:15:46 2024
    In article <ldinnipqg4ue284acc2dv3v583usj27btb@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
    @-.invalid says...

    Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.

    <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
    (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
    to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
    view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
    February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The good news:
    * In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
    Google Groups.
    * The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
    2024.

    The bad news (for some):
    * For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
    to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
    * For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
    after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.

    Looks like it has finally been done. I've disabled my rule that throws
    away all messages posted from Google Groups and comp.os.vms hasn't been instantly buried in spam.

    I guess Google Groups has finally disconnected from Usenet!

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  • From Kerr Avon@21:1/5 to David Goodwin on Wed Feb 28 21:36:59 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 08:15:46 +1300, David Goodwin wrote:


    I guess Google Groups has finally disconnected from Usenet!

    At news.bbs.nz we went from rejecting some 25,000 messages per day down to
    none in the space of 48 hours.

    Total inflow to the server has come down from around 450-500k messages per
    day to now around 160-190k per day... quite a drop in over all flows from
    the systems the server is peered with.

    --
    Agency News | news.bbs.nz

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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 07:24:35 2024
    In article <urmrbb$ra$1@news.bbs.nz>, avon@bbs.nz.invalid says...

    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 08:15:46 +1300, David Goodwin wrote:


    I guess Google Groups has finally disconnected from Usenet!

    At news.bbs.nz we went from rejecting some 25,000 messages per day down to none in the space of 48 hours.

    Total inflow to the server has come down from around 450-500k messages per day to now around 160-190k per day... quite a drop in over all flows from
    the systems the server is peered with.

    Thats certainly a much more manageable volume of data! I guess somewhere
    in the low hundreds of MB a day?

    I was thinking now that google groups and most of the spam is gone, it
    would be interesting to see statistics (average posts per week/date of
    last post) on active or semi-active newsgroups to help finding newsgrops
    worth subscribing to. I used to just look at the recent history on
    Google Groups but of course thats not an option now - instead I've just
    got to subscribe and wait.

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to David Goodwin on Thu Feb 29 08:36:06 2024
    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 07:24:35 +1300, David Goodwin wrote:

    I was thinking now that google groups and most of the spam is gone, it
    would be interesting to see statistics (average posts per week/date of
    last post) on active or semi-active newsgroups to help finding newsgrops worth subscribing to. I used to just look at the recent history on
    Google Groups but of course thats not an option now - instead I've just
    got to subscribe and wait.


    For help finding newsgroups worth subscribing to, look at the
    recent history on Narkive -- e.g., <https://nz.comp.narkive.com/>.

    For some ("selected") groups there is also NovaBBS <https://www.novabbs.com/>.


    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊

    Sell not the bears skin before you have caught him.

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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 08:54:18 2024
    In article <4p2vtihus93c16a8sombc6867gdonvg1v6@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
    @-.invalid says...

    On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 07:24:35 +1300, David Goodwin wrote:

    I was thinking now that google groups and most of the spam is gone, it would be interesting to see statistics (average posts per week/date of
    last post) on active or semi-active newsgroups to help finding newsgrops worth subscribing to. I used to just look at the recent history on
    Google Groups but of course thats not an option now - instead I've just
    got to subscribe and wait.


    For help finding newsgroups worth subscribing to, look at the
    recent history on Narkive -- e.g., <https://nz.comp.narkive.com/>.

    For some ("selected") groups there is also NovaBBS <https://www.novabbs.com/>.


    Thanks! The NovaBBS table is the kind of thing I was looking for - date
    of most recent post, etc. Found a few more newsgroups that look
    interesting.

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