Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.
<https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
(at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
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The good news:
* In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
Google Groups.
* The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
2024.
The bad news (for some):
* For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
* For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.
In article <ldinnipqg4ue284acc2dv3v583usj27btb@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
@-.invalid says...
Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.
<https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
(at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The good news:
* In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
Google Groups.
* The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
2024.
The bad news (for some):
* For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
* For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.
Well, one good thing has come of this at least (aside from an end date
for the recent spam tsunami): I've restored my news server from backups
and got everything going again in preparation for Google Groups going
away. And with an easy way of filtering out all the spam from Ras its actually possible to read nz.* again! Should have done this sooner.
Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away though!
On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:
In article <ldinnipqg4ue284acc2dv3v583usj27btb@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
@-.invalid says...
Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.
<https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
(at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The good news:
* In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
Google Groups.
* The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
2024.
The bad news (for some):
* For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
* For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.
Well, one good thing has come of this at least (aside from an end date
for the recent spam tsunami): I've restored my news server from backups
and got everything going again in preparation for Google Groups going
away. And with an easy way of filtering out all the spam from Ras its actually possible to read nz.* again! Should have done this sooner.
Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away though!
Not as easily searchable, but there is
https://www.usenetarchives.com
Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.
The good news:
* In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
Google Groups.
* The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
2024.
The bad news (for some):
* For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
* For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.
On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:
Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away
though!
Not as easily searchable, but there is
https://www.usenetarchives.com
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:53:49 +1300, BungleBob wrote:
On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:
Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away >> though!
As I read Google's announcement, the existing easily searchable Usenet archives will remain. But now new posts after 22 February 2024 will
be added to those archives.
How long the existing archives will remain is another question.
In article <3ffcoip97hd90i6optbq5kgfbefv80b39e@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
@-.invalid says...
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:53:49 +1300, BungleBob wrote:
On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:
Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away >>>> though!
As I read Google's announcement, the existing easily searchable Usenet
archives will remain. But now new posts after 22 February 2024 will
be added to those archives.
How long the existing archives will remain is another question.
Which is really a bit of a concern. Stuff prior to 1995 Google got from elsewhere (like the utzoo archives), while stuff from 2003 onwards is available from lots of places. But AFAIK only really Deja/Google were archiving all text newsgroups between 1995 and 2003 so if/when Google eventually decides to remove usenet content entirely those archives are
gone for good unless Google donates them to somewhere like the IA.
And given the legal difficulties IA had simply having the utzoo archives available for download I wouldn't be surprised if handing the archives
over to some other entity was more trouble than its worth for Google.
I guess the Google Groups shutdown for newsgroups may well be related to
the minority of 'real' users on Usenet launching a complaints barrage to Google about it?
On 2023-12-23 02:18:16 +0000, David Goodwin said:
In article <3ffcoip97hd90i6optbq5kgfbefv80b39e@4ax.com>, -rf-nz-
@-.invalid says...
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:53:49 +1300, BungleBob wrote:
On 2023-12-22 22:13:58 +0000, David Goodwin said:
Going to be a shame to see the easily searchable usenet archives go away >>>> though!
As I read Google's announcement, the existing easily searchable Usenet
archives will remain. But now new posts after 22 February 2024 will
be added to those archives.
How long the existing archives will remain is another question.
Which is really a bit of a concern. Stuff prior to 1995 Google got from elsewhere (like the utzoo archives), while stuff from 2003 onwards is available from lots of places. But AFAIK only really Deja/Google were archiving all text newsgroups between 1995 and 2003 so if/when Google eventually decides to remove usenet content entirely those archives are gone for good unless Google donates them to somewhere like the IA.
And given the legal difficulties IA had simply having the utzoo archives available for download I wouldn't be surprised if handing the archives
over to some other entity was more trouble than its worth for Google.
UsenentArchives.com has posts going way back to alomst current.
For example, their nz.comp posts start in 1991 and go through to 2014.
I don't know how busy this newsgroup is usually (I haven't seen
anything in here for years), but they have 254 discussions / threads.
According to a Reddit post from three years ago:
"Usenet fans: UsenetArchives.com now includes UTZOO-Wiseman tapes
of the earliest internet posts made between Feb 1981 and June 1991"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/j7ebxd/usenet_fans_usenetarchivescom_now_includes/>
In article <um5r1o$1v0v8$1@dont-email.me>, bunglebob@thejungle.com
says...
UsenentArchives.com has posts going way back to alomst current.
For example, their nz.comp posts start in 1991 and go through to 2014.
I don't know how busy this newsgroup is usually (I haven't seen
anything in here for years), but they have 254 discussions / threads.
They *should* have more recent stuff, but I think I read somewhere that
they are currently hiding threads with fewer than 5 articles to limit
the load crawlers put on the site. I guess that might explain why there
isn't anything post 2014 for this newsgroup.
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:39:20 +1300 (NZDT), Kerr Avon wrote:
I guess the Google Groups shutdown for newsgroups may well be
related to the minority of 'real' users on Usenet launching a
complaints barrage to Google about it?
I might presume so.
OTOH Google's previous responses to a complaints barrage over spam
from Google Groups in a newsgroup has been to respond as if it means
Google needs to protect Google Groups users from spam originating in
Usenet. For example, this (below) happened in 2021 due to complaints
about upper-case-subject Italian-language spam originating from
Google groups in mozilla.support.seamonkey.
<https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey>
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Banned content warning        mozilla.support.seamonkey has been identified as containing spam, malware, or other malicious content.
     For more information about content policies on Google Groups see our Help Center article on abuse and our Terms of Service.                              [ Back to safety ]      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Google Groups will be ending support for Usenet in February 2024.
<https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
(at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe
to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to
view and search for historical Usenet content posted before
February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The good news:
* In a couple of months we will no longer need to filter spam from
Google Groups.
* The Google groups archive will remain for older posts up to 22 Feb
2024.
The bad news (for some):
* For those who use Google Groups to post to Usenet: You will need
to either stop posting, or use a real newsreader and news server.
* For those who use the Google Groups archive to find posts: Posts
after 22 Feb 2024 will not be archived.
I guess Google Groups has finally disconnected from Usenet!
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 08:15:46 +1300, David Goodwin wrote:
I guess Google Groups has finally disconnected from Usenet!
At news.bbs.nz we went from rejecting some 25,000 messages per day down to none in the space of 48 hours.
Total inflow to the server has come down from around 450-500k messages per day to now around 160-190k per day... quite a drop in over all flows from
the systems the server is peered with.
I was thinking now that google groups and most of the spam is gone, it
would be interesting to see statistics (average posts per week/date of
last post) on active or semi-active newsgroups to help finding newsgrops worth subscribing to. I used to just look at the recent history on
Google Groups but of course thats not an option now - instead I've just
got to subscribe and wait.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 07:24:35 +1300, David Goodwin wrote:
I was thinking now that google groups and most of the spam is gone, it would be interesting to see statistics (average posts per week/date of
last post) on active or semi-active newsgroups to help finding newsgrops worth subscribing to. I used to just look at the recent history on
Google Groups but of course thats not an option now - instead I've just
got to subscribe and wait.
For help finding newsgroups worth subscribing to, look at the
recent history on Narkive -- e.g., <https://nz.comp.narkive.com/>.
For some ("selected") groups there is also NovaBBS <https://www.novabbs.com/>.
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