• Keywords header (was: Re: Firefox ESR)

    From Eli the Bearded@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.invalid on Thu Apr 29 17:37:59 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.software.firefox

    Crossposted and follow-ups set.

    In alt.comp.software.firefox, VanguardLH <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
    Keywords: VanguardLH VLH811
    I see you decided to steal my Keywords string.

    It is a rn / trn feature to preserve the Keywords: in follow-ups. I
    seldom examine them, since they are usually blank. Checking my post
    archive I see this is not the first time you've gotten me like that.
    The first appears to be my reply to <h1qr5g0nm2qu$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>
    in comp.mobile.android from way back in February 2018.

    And golly gee, there's an earlier time I caught it.

    Message-ID: <eli$1712201641@qz.little-neck.ny.us>
    Newsgroups: news.software.readers
    References: <fa00hdFhu6jU4@mid.individual.net> <anl6wshc1lwb.dlg@v.nguard.lh> Keywords: VanguardLH likes to stuff things in keywords.
    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:41:31 -0500 (EST)

    March 2019 is the last time I posted with keywords that were not yours
    nor added by me. I've added keywords to three posts of my own in that
    period, most recently a post about headers to news.software.readers
    on April third.

    I found twenty-four posts since last rotating my "outposts" file in 2014
    with keywords. Seven of them were replies to you, including that one I
    caught.

    Can I ask why? Or what you hope to get out of those keywords?

    Elijah
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    will accept "for fun" as a good enough reason

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Eli the Bearded on Sat May 8 16:30:06 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.software.firefox

    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    I don't believe you. Panix has never "spamif[ied] all posts". Panix
    has never forced users to post with a signature nor provided a default
    one for users.

    Alas, I didn't add timestamps when I added filters to later see how old
    they are. Don't care if you don't believe. I judged Panix on what I
    saw, and I saw them add an invalid sigblock to spam on submissions to
    their service. That's what *I* saw, and that's why I filtered them out.
    That was probably many years ago. Perhaps back then they had a free
    trial service tier, and submissions using those freebie accounts got spammified. Some posts got spammified by them, some didn't, so there
    was some differentiating factor that triggered the spammification.

    Don't care how old is a Usenet provider. When I see it appends an
    invalid sigblock that introduces spam (promoting their own service) then
    it becomes a spam source. First I colorize in my filters to alert me to
    watch some behavior by a poster or provider. After several months, I'll
    decide they haven't corrected their behavior, and then add the Ignore
    flag to hide those articles in my default "Hide Ignored Messages" view.
    That's what happened to AIOE: colorized to monitor them for many months
    after getting tired of all the trolls, malcontents, forgers, and other
    bad types that were using that *un*registered free Usenet provider. The owner's claims of abuse terms was unenforceable since no one needed an
    account there, and there was no penalty to the trolls because they had
    no account to lose even if only to get nuisanced to create another free account. I grew weary of the same malcontents and uber-boobs at Google
    Groups, so they were first to get monitored and eventually filtered out.
    Years later I decided to do the same with AIOE.

    Recently I changed the AIOE filter to just colorize those posts to
    monitor if it is just as bad a troll source as it was before. I've done
    the same to my old Panix filter to colorize and monitor if any spam sigs
    show up that Panix postfixed to their submissions.

    No, I don't create filters because I enjoy doing so, and make them up
    for behavior that was never noticed. My Panix filter exists because I
    did see Panix spammifying some submissions.

    I noticed some of my posts back in 2010 were not filtering out Panix
    posters (I replied to Panix posters), but in 2017 I wasn't seeing your
    posts through Panix. I've been in Usenet since early 90's, had a haitus
    of a few years (got way too busy at work and home construction), and
    started again, I think, around 1998 (hard to remember back that far,
    especially since Google destroyed their Usenet search). Back then I
    used my legal name, but way too many others had the same name, and I
    wasn't interested in hiding in a crowd of same-named posters. I went to
    my gamer's nym, Vanguard, but hit a newsgroup where someone already used
    that nym. To be polite and not impinge on his Usenet identify, I added
    the LH postfix. First it was (space)LH, then .LH, then _LH, but
    Google's search has always been screwed up by removing non-alphnumeric characters from search results, so I went to VanguardLH.

    If I had timestamped my filters in their comments, I'd know when I saw
    Panix started spammifying their submissions. I haven't been using
    Dialog since its creation. Years ago I trialed many NNTP clients, and
    did several re-trials hunting for an NNTP client that satisfied my
    wishlist. Dialog didn't make the cut for many trials, because it was
    lacking features. Not until I was willing to delve into scripting
    (custom ones that can be added to toolbar buttons, and those that
    trigger on message events and client action events) did I choose to
    switch to Dialog. There's no way to import filters into Dialog from
    whatever I was using back then (Outlook Express + OE_Quotefix, MesNews, TeraNews, Xnews, old Forte Agent freebies, etc), so all filters in
    Dialog were created new when I started using it. Again, Google Groups
    sucks as a Usenet archive: when articles get older than some threshold,
    the "Show original message" (to look at headers, like User-Agent) is
    disabled. No way to use GG to see which NNTP client that I used. I
    found find articles dated back to July 2014 (https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/Ks2z3I3ADpU/m/7YvzGEi2_QcJ)
    where I was asking for help on Dialog. So, sometime in the last 7 years
    of using Dialog, I encountered articles submitted through Panix that
    were getting spammified with invalid sigblocks added by Panix.

    My Panix anti-spam filter was defined new into Dialog sometime in the
    last 7 years. How long have you been using Panix?

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Sat May 8 21:52:15 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.software.firefox

    In <egrgwynjjzkn$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:

    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    I don't believe you. Panix has never "spamif[ied] all posts". Panix
    has never forced users to post with a signature nor provided a default
    one for users.

    Alas, I didn't add timestamps when I added filters to later see how old
    they are. Don't care if you don't believe. I judged Panix on what I
    saw, and I saw them add an invalid sigblock to spam on submissions to
    their service. That's what *I* saw, and that's why I filtered them out.
    That was probably many years ago. Perhaps back then they had a free
    trial service tier, and submissions using those freebie accounts got
    ======

    huh? Double and triple huh?

    With the disclosure that I also worked at Panix for a decade,
    I first became a customer in the early 1990's, and at no time
    in the three decades has Panix added its own sig line to posts
    users make to Usenet.



    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • From Eli the Bearded@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.invalid on Mon May 10 02:34:19 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.software.firefox

    In news.software.readers, VanguardLH <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
    I don't believe you. Panix has never "spamif[ied] all posts". Panix
    has never forced users to post with a signature nor provided a default
    one for users.
    Alas, I didn't add timestamps when I added filters to later see how old
    they are. Don't care if you don't believe.

    Followed by a wall of text trying to justify yourself. Are you sure
    about that?

    Elijah
    ------
    happy Panix customer for about twenty four years

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