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Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
I don't believe you. Panix has never "spamif[ied] all posts". Panix
has never forced users to post with a signature nor provided a default
one for users.
Alas, I didn't add timestamps when I added filters to later see how old
they are. Don't care if you don't believe. I judged Panix on what I
saw, and I saw them add an invalid sigblock to spam on submissions to
their service. That's what *I* saw, and that's why I filtered them out.
That was probably many years ago. Perhaps back then they had a free
trial service tier, and submissions using those freebie accounts got spammified. Some posts got spammified by them, some didn't, so there
was some differentiating factor that triggered the spammification.
Don't care how old is a Usenet provider. When I see it appends an
invalid sigblock that introduces spam (promoting their own service) then
it becomes a spam source. First I colorize in my filters to alert me to
watch some behavior by a poster or provider. After several months, I'll
decide they haven't corrected their behavior, and then add the Ignore
flag to hide those articles in my default "Hide Ignored Messages" view.
That's what happened to AIOE: colorized to monitor them for many months
after getting tired of all the trolls, malcontents, forgers, and other
bad types that were using that *un*registered free Usenet provider. The owner's claims of abuse terms was unenforceable since no one needed an
account there, and there was no penalty to the trolls because they had
no account to lose even if only to get nuisanced to create another free account. I grew weary of the same malcontents and uber-boobs at Google
Groups, so they were first to get monitored and eventually filtered out.
Years later I decided to do the same with AIOE.
Recently I changed the AIOE filter to just colorize those posts to
monitor if it is just as bad a troll source as it was before. I've done
the same to my old Panix filter to colorize and monitor if any spam sigs
show up that Panix postfixed to their submissions.
No, I don't create filters because I enjoy doing so, and make them up
for behavior that was never noticed. My Panix filter exists because I
did see Panix spammifying some submissions.
I noticed some of my posts back in 2010 were not filtering out Panix
posters (I replied to Panix posters), but in 2017 I wasn't seeing your
posts through Panix. I've been in Usenet since early 90's, had a haitus
of a few years (got way too busy at work and home construction), and
started again, I think, around 1998 (hard to remember back that far,
especially since Google destroyed their Usenet search). Back then I
used my legal name, but way too many others had the same name, and I
wasn't interested in hiding in a crowd of same-named posters. I went to
my gamer's nym, Vanguard, but hit a newsgroup where someone already used
that nym. To be polite and not impinge on his Usenet identify, I added
the LH postfix. First it was (space)LH, then .LH, then _LH, but
Google's search has always been screwed up by removing non-alphnumeric characters from search results, so I went to VanguardLH.
If I had timestamped my filters in their comments, I'd know when I saw
Panix started spammifying their submissions. I haven't been using
Dialog since its creation. Years ago I trialed many NNTP clients, and
did several re-trials hunting for an NNTP client that satisfied my
wishlist. Dialog didn't make the cut for many trials, because it was
lacking features. Not until I was willing to delve into scripting
(custom ones that can be added to toolbar buttons, and those that
trigger on message events and client action events) did I choose to
switch to Dialog. There's no way to import filters into Dialog from
whatever I was using back then (Outlook Express + OE_Quotefix, MesNews, TeraNews, Xnews, old Forte Agent freebies, etc), so all filters in
Dialog were created new when I started using it. Again, Google Groups
sucks as a Usenet archive: when articles get older than some threshold,
the "Show original message" (to look at headers, like User-Agent) is
disabled. No way to use GG to see which NNTP client that I used. I
found find articles dated back to July 2014 (
https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/Ks2z3I3ADpU/m/7YvzGEi2_QcJ)
where I was asking for help on Dialog. So, sometime in the last 7 years
of using Dialog, I encountered articles submitted through Panix that
were getting spammified with invalid sigblocks added by Panix.
My Panix anti-spam filter was defined new into Dialog sometime in the
last 7 years. How long have you been using Panix?
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