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On 2/21/24 03:24 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

Can i specify  (Sort-by) Descending   for all the Groups?

theoretically yes, in practice what are supposed to be "sticky" setting do not stick reliably.

it's another of those things which can't be done via the menus, only via the GUI icons ... set a
folder as you want them all (view/sort order/threading etc) then click the "column" ivon on the
right of the message list headers and "apply current view to..." "current folder and its children"
and pick the top level of your news server

unfortunately, as I said, it won't last for long :-(

I find that clicking on the date column header arrow instantly re-orders from earliest to latest;
and vice versa.
And it stays permanent for me.

Ed

I added the 'order received' column and used that rather than date, only in news. Not much better
but I found a reason once, can't verbally repeat what.
--
Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon 6.0.4
Al

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Ed Cryer wrote:

I find that clicking on the date column header arrow instantly re-orders
from earliest to latest; and vice versa.

yep

And it stays permanent for me.

Quite frankly, *nothing* related to sort-order stays permanent for me,
but what specific action causes it to change is unfathomable, I don't
know whether it's some old setting that baked into my prefs or data files?

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On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:16:41 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

Can i specify  (Sort-by) Descending   for all the Groups?

theoretically yes, in practice what are supposed to be "sticky" setting
do not stick reliably.

it's another of those things which can't be done via the menus, only via >>> the GUI icons ... set a folder as you want them all (view/sort
order/threading etc) then click the "column" ivon on the right of the
message list headers and "apply current view to..." "current folder and
its children" and pick the top level of your news server

unfortunately, as I said, it won't last for long :-(

I find that clicking on the date column header arrow instantly re-orders
from earliest to latest; and vice versa.
And it stays permanent for me.

i suppose it's just like that (counterpart) in Windows's File-Explorer (is that the name for it?)

I got sick of TB a long time ago. It works, and a lot of people use it so
it's good to be familiar with it, but there are better newsreaders. Usenet seems to be an after-thought for TB.

I'm currently partial to 40tude Dialog. I don't even run Windows, but it's worth running it in Wine on Linux, and it runs well.

Claws Mail is decent, but not my favourite. There are very good console clients, but I don't use them often enough to have a useful opinion.

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On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:29:51 -0700, Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:16:41 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

Can i specify  (Sort-by) Descending   for all the Groups?

theoretically yes, in practice what are supposed to be "sticky" setting >>>> do not stick reliably.
it's another of those things which can't be done via the menus, only via >>>> the GUI icons ... set a folder as you want them all (view/sort
order/threading etc) then click the "column" ivon on the right of the
message list headers and "apply current view to..." "current folder and >>>> its children" and pick the top level of your news server
unfortunately, as I said, it won't last for long :-(

I find that clicking on the date column header arrow instantly re-orders >>> from earliest to latest; and vice versa.
And it stays permanent for me.

i suppose it's just like that (counterpart) in Windows's File-Explorer (is that the name for it?)

I got sick of TB a long time ago. It works, and a lot of people use it so >it's good to be familiar with it, but there are better newsreaders. Usenet >seems to be an after-thought for TB.
I'm currently partial to 40tude Dialog. I don't even run Windows, but it's >worth running it in Wine on Linux, and it runs well.
Claws Mail is decent, but not my favourite. There are very good console >clients, but I don't use them often enough to have a useful opinion.

for plain text usenet newsgroups 40tude dialog seems incomparably
easier to set up and use than any other freeware newsreader going
(tor browser and omnimix is what i'm using for secure connections)

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On 22/02/2024 09:16, HenHanna wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

Can i specify  (Sort-by) Descending   for all the Groups?

theoretically yes, in practice what are supposed to be "sticky"
setting do not stick reliably.

it's another of those things which can't be done via the menus, only
via the GUI icons ... set a folder as you want them all (view/sort
order/threading etc) then click the "column" ivon on the right of the
message list headers and "apply current view to..." "current folder
and its children" and pick the top level of your news server

unfortunately, as I said, it won't last for long :-(

I find that clicking on the date column header arrow instantly
re-orders from earliest to latest; and vice versa.
And it stays permanent for me.

Ed

   [date column header arrow]  --- i'm not seeing that.

The arrow doesn't appear until you click on the column.

And to save time, yes, the same is true for *all* the other columns.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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Andy Burns wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

I find that clicking on the date column header arrow instantly
re-orders from earliest to latest; and vice versa.

yep

And it stays permanent for me.

Quite frankly, *nothing* related to sort-order stays permanent for me,
but what specific action causes it to change is unfathomable, I don't
know whether it's some old setting that baked into my prefs or data files?

Tweakability. TB and BB are teeming with it. And that's the problem
here. Too much!
Somehow I've managed to accidentally hit a combo that works, but just
what it is I've no idea.
And most discussions end unsuccessfully, because of all the other
settings that are tied up with producing the particular effect one
person gets.

Ed

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Ed Cryer wrote:

weakability. TB and BB are teeming with it. And that's the problem here.
Too much!

but I wouldn't want to be without it ...

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Andy Burns wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

weakability. TB and BB are teeming with it. And that's the problem
here. Too much!

but I wouldn't want to be without it ...

Mine works, and I don't know why. Yours doesn't, and you don't know why.
You'd like to fix yours, but nobody can tell you how to do it.

Ed

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Ed Cryer wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

[T]weakability. TB and BB are teeming with it. And that's the problem
here. Too much!

but I wouldn't want to be without it ...

Mine works, and I don't know why. Yours doesn't, and you don't know why. You'd like to fix yours, but nobody can tell you how to do it.

I've lived with it for years, having to click on the "received" column
to re-sort a couple of times/day is part of my routine now.

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On 2024-02-22 20:35, Andy Burns wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

[T]weakability. TB and BB are teeming with it. And that's the
problem here. Too much!

but I wouldn't want to be without it ...

Mine works, and I don't know why. Yours doesn't, and you don't know why.
You'd like to fix yours, but nobody can tell you how to do it.

I've lived with it for years, having to click on the "received" column
to re-sort a couple of times/day is part of my routine now.

That doesn't happen to me. Maybe when there is a big version change,
those that they warn about the profile change being not compatible.

On first creation of an account or a folder, I have to click on the
column to sort by it, and it stays put.

What doesn't hold for me is what columns to show, sometimes a column disappears.

I don't remember if there is a setting when selecting a particular order
or what columns to show if there is a tick to "make this the default". :-?

Yes. On the column header, left click on the rightmost symbol. A menu
appears, and the two last items are to apply choices to other folders or subfolder or account.

Another entry is "restore column order".

(looking at an email folder)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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Carlos E.R. wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I've lived with it for years, having to click on the "received" column
to re-sort a couple of times/day is part of my routine now.

That doesn't happen to me. Maybe when there is a big version change,
those that they warn about the profile change being not compatible.

I've always updated versions, never stuck on an old version then had a
huge leap forward, never gone backwards

On first creation of an account or a folder, I have to click on the
column to sort by it, and it stays put.

What doesn't hold for me is what columns to show, sometimes a column disappears.

I don't remember if there is a setting when selecting a particular order
or what columns to show if there is a tick to "make this the default". :-?

Yes. On the column header, left click on the rightmost symbol. A menu appears, and the two last items are to apply choices to other folders or subfolder or account.

yes, not sure when that "apply current view" option appeared, but I've
tried it (I even recommended that the O/P try it above).

Another entry is "restore column order".

I could nuke my profile and resubscribe to all my groups, but I'd lose
all my starred messages ...

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