"Effective from 15 February 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
historical data will still be supported as it is done today."

https://groups.google.com/ (I think you have to log in to see it.)


Observe: "Posting ... will be disallowed" - woo hoo!

Goodbye Google Gropes! Remember to close the door on your way out!

I only wish that our beloved Blinky could be here to share in the
celebrations.

Hurrah!


--
PJR :-)

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On 16 Dec 2023 22:56:08 GMT, Peter J Ross wrote:

Subject: [OT] Blinky the Shark wins!

"Effective from 15 February 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will still be supported as it is done today."

https://groups.google.com/ (I think you have to log in to see it.)

Observe: "Posting ... will be disallowed" - woo hoo!

Goodbye Google Gropes! Remember to close the door on your way out!

I only wish that our beloved Blinky could be here to share in the celebrations.

Blinky would consider the outcome to be a mixed blessing.

Blinky the Shark did _not_ want to stop Google Groups archiving posts,
as will also happen in February 2024. Blinky wanted _only_ to stop
Google Groupers posting from Google groups.

* See this post, where Blinky wrote: "Why are you using XNA so that
any good information you might post is lost to those who might be
able to benefit by it?"
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/OpmOep1Rv4E/m/4dZM0KPHQW4J>

* See this post, where Blinky described the "X-No-Archive" header as
"anticommunity".
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/OpmOep1Rv4E/m/L2ASIIe8ji4J>

* See this post, where Blinky wrote: "XNA just diminishes the archive,
and the archive itself is not the problem. GG posting is."
<http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170278150600>
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/vnU7tSH00xY/m/B9lFRByPZ-8J>



--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox
🦊

There is more craft in dawbing then throwing dirt on the wall.

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Peter J Ross wrote:

https://groups.google.com/ (I think you have to log in to see it.)

https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?hl=en

i posted this as a reply to an idiot making tests here from a G2
account, but i guess most regulars here filter out even followups.

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 16:08:13 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

Blinky the Shark did _not_ want to stop Google Groups archiving posts,
as will also happen in February 2024. Blinky wanted _only_ to stop
Google Groupers posting from Google groups.

Anyone know if Archive.org has plans to step in?

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 07:28:00 -0800, Stan Brown wrote:

On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 16:08:13 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

Blinky the Shark did _not_ want to stop Google Groups archiving posts,
as will also happen in February 2024.

Anyone know if Archive.org has plans to step in?

The Internet Archive (Archive.org) has other problems to worry about
at this time. Use your favourite Internet search engine to search for "Hachette v. Internet Archive".

That aside, the best place for you to find whether Archive.org has
plans to step in would be for you to read the Archive.org blog. Go to <https://archive.org/> and at the right, under "Archive News", click on
the link "more posts".


--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox
🦊

No place no condition is exempt from all trouble.

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On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 11:44:36 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 07:28:00 -0800, Stan Brown wrote:

On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 16:08:13 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

Blinky the Shark did _not_ want to stop Google Groups archiving posts,
as will also happen in February 2024.

Anyone know if Archive.org has plans to step in?

The Internet Archive (Archive.org) has other problems to worry about
at this time. Use your favourite Internet search engine to search for "Hachette v. Internet Archive".

That aside, the best place for you to find whether Archive.org has
plans to step in would be for you to read the Archive.org blog. Go to <https://archive.org/> and at the right, under "Archive News", click on
the link "more posts".

Thank you for that suggestion. I've been to that page a zillion
times, but never paid any attention to the "Archive News" section,
much less "more posts".

That got me in a couple of clicks to
https://archive.org/details/usenet

Collection Info has "Storage_size: 7.7 TB (in 887,274 files)", but
above a graph is "Total items: 79,450". Apparently about 15,000
"items" were archived in January 2015 and 51,000 in January 2020,
with small numbers between those dates but none after January 2020. I
don't know what this graph is telling us, but it sure doesn't look
like Usenet is currently being archived.

Archive.org is good at obscure navigation! To get to a search screen
you have to click the triangle next to "Play all". I tried to figure
out how I could extract any useful information from that screen, but
gave up in frustration.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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On 2023-12-16, Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:

Goodbye Google Gropes! Remember to close the door on your way out!

My suspicion is that the door will be left open, Google Groupers were
always a little low on etiquette :)

Andrew
--
You think that's air you're breathing now?

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On 2023-12-17, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:

On 16 Dec 2023 22:56:08 GMT, Peter J Ross wrote:

Subject: [OT] Blinky the Shark wins!

"Effective from 15 February 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
historical data will still be supported as it is done today."

https://groups.google.com/ (I think you have to log in to see it.)


Observe: "Posting ... will be disallowed" - woo hoo!

Goodbye Google Gropes! Remember to close the door on your way out!

I only wish that our beloved Blinky could be here to share in the
celebrations.

Blinky would consider the outcome to be a mixed blessing.

Blinky the Shark did _not_ want to stop Google Groups archiving posts,
as will also happen in February 2024. Blinky wanted _only_ to stop
Google Groupers posting from Google groups.

<evidence snipped>

Now you mention it, I think I remember disagreeing with Blinky about the
value of the Google archive and usefulness of the XNA header.

For instance, if somebody searched the archive with a question about
slrn, he might find an answer that was useful for slrn 9.7.x but
positively harmful for slrn 1.0.x. (This would certainly apply to some
of my answers, in which I recommended workarounds in the days when slrn
didn't support Unicode adequately.)

There certainly isn't much on Usenet nowadays that's worth archiving, is
there? But paradoxically, it's possible that the disappearance of the
Google Gropers and the consequent ending of the Eternal September may
bring about an interesting New October. When the link to the archive is
gone, posts worth archiving may appear.

--
PJR :-)

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On 16 Dec 2023 22:56:08 GMT, Peter J Ross wrote:

[...]

Goodbye Google Gropes! Remember to close the door on your way out!

I only wish that our beloved Blinky could be here to share in the celebrations.

Hurrah!

Don't scream too loudly, or they might hear you and change their minds
about the whole thing.

Suffice it to say, that I believe it when I see it...or not see it,
or...bah! You know what I mean. ;)

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On 16 Dec 2023 22:56:08 GMT, Peter J Ross wrote:

"Effective from 15 February 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will still be supported as it is done today."

https://groups.google.com/ (I think you have to log in to see it.)

Observe: "Posting ... will be disallowed" - woo hoo!

And today I saw a bunch of posts to text groups from JLA forums
that referenced attached pictures not in evidence.

It won't be long before a few other idiot gateways pop up.

-sw

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