db pretended :

What other news readers are recommended?

mesnews, but if you like oldies, there's xnews

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I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?
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On 2023-08-07, db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

I like TUI/CLI terminal apps so I use SLRN
but being helping a new email client called meli that supports
nntp/usenet

https://git.meli.delivery/meli/meli




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db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting up
about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched to
Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not as nice,
I feel.

No one can help you on "started activing up" for pan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo_Z4KLhPfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbmtxvF8Sz0

"not as nice" is also overtly vague to prevent anyone from addressing
what issues, if any, you have with Thunderbird other than unfamiliarity
which use over time will overcome. For help with Thunderbired, go to
the alt.comp.software.thunderbird newsgroup. Just be aware there are
some features in Thunderbird on Windows that are not doable under Linux.

Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?

https://pan.rebelbase.com/

Click on the "bug reports" navbar link. That will reveal a link to
their GitHub project site where bugs are tracked.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pan/-/issues?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=all

I didn't see a community/forum at the GitHub site to get peer support,
but there are forums back at the pan site which operate as mailing
lists. Be sure to be far more detailed there than you were here.

What other news readers are recommended?

I don't use Linux for personal use, and haven't touched it for decades
at work. The ones I see others using on Linux are:

pan (no idea what's wrong with it for you)
Thunderbird (visit their newsgroup to get help)
Gnus
tin
Claws Mail
Sylpheed
slrn

And then there's using a Windows NNTP client running on WINE.

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db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> writes:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

You'd need to provide more info than "started acting up" if you want us
to debug pan... reminds me of the old favorite "it had a glitch!"

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used
emacs before, it's probably not a good fit.

Claws can read news. I've only ever used it for email, but it does a
great job at that so maybe give it a shot?


john

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:46:26 +0200, db wrote:

to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not as nice,
I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

What's wrong with it? "Acting up" is not a very good error report.

Also, if you haven't, try running it from the command line to get more
errors from it:

$ pan --help
Pan 0.154

General Options
-h, --help Show this usage information and exit.
-v, --version Print release version and exit.
--verbose Be verbose (in non-GUI mode).
--debug Run in debug mode. Use --debug twice for
verbose debug.
--debug-ssl Run in TLS (aka SSL) debug mode.

URL Options
headers:group.name Download new headers for the specified
newsgroup.
news:message-id When specified together with --no-gui, dump
the message-id article to standard output.

NZB Batch Options
--nzb file1 file2 ... Process NZB files in non-GUI mode.
-o path, --output=path Path to save attachments listed in the NZB
file(s).
--no-gui Only show console output, not the download
queue.

The only problem I know there has been recently is where the filtering
feature got mangled by the correction of a bug by an over-enthusiastic developer, so it created beautiful segmentation faults upon trying to
filter a group on a heap of systems, but sadly not all. It has been
corrected for about four or five months by now.

Works fine on Manjaro KDE Plasma, although there is a small bug with the
NZB feature, where downloaded NZB's leave behind a handful files in the
cache, so they get decoded anew when you get a new set of files. Not a
biggie, but somewhat annoying. That could also be a KDE problem, not sure.
I'm not a developer.

You could try and compile it yourself if the repo you use carries an older version.

Good luck!

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:46:26 +0200, db wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting up about
a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?

Pan from my distro's repository * is working here. I am posting this with
it.
* Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon 64-bit.
* Pan 0.149 "Bellevue".

I switched to Thunderbird
(I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not as nice, I feel.
What other news readers are recommended?

Pan is based on Forté Agent and on Gravity. You might like Forté Agent. Forté Agent runs under Wine on Linux.


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🦊

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In article <uaqsji$2shkv$1@dont-email.me>, dieterhansbritz@gmail.com
says...

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

Gravity, Dialog or Xnews.

--
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Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> SAID ...

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting up
about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched to
Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not as
nice, I feel. ^^^^^^^^^^^^____________.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan? |
What other news readers are recommended? |

|
Gravity, Dialog or Xnews. |

|
Gravity: Windows. |
Dialog: Windows. |
Xnews: Windows. |
^^^^^
All are Windows programs. The OP said he is using Linux. Fox and I
mentioned he could use a Windows NNTP client under WINE on Linux, but
I'm not sure he wants to bother with that setup.

As I recall, Xnews does not support SSL, so you have to chain it through sTunnel to make secure connects to NNTP servers. No support for UTF-8,
either. No official announcement Xnews was discontinued, but the web
site disappeared in 2014, and the program was already 5 years old by
then. You can find old copies of the Newsguy site for Xnews at
archive.web.com (I didn't bother to check if the download links still
worked), like:

https://web.archive.org/web/20141227184804/http://xnews.newsguy.com/

Long ago when I trialed Xnews, I reported some problems and some RFEs
(Requests for Enhancement). The author didn't care as he stated the
program was only designed for his use, he didn't care about its use by
other users although he made it available to others. He expressed no
interest in making his program fixed or better for others.

40tude Dialog got abandoned back in 2002, with 1 update in 2005 (don't
remember from who), and another bad update that made you go back to the
prior one. I use Dialog, but it won't natively run on Linux.

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On 07.08.2023 19.06, VanguardLH wrote:

db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting up
about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched to
Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not as nice,
I feel.

No one can help you on "started activing up" for pan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo_Z4KLhPfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbmtxvF8Sz0

"not as nice" is also overtly vague to prevent anyone from addressing
what issues, if any, you have with Thunderbird other than unfamiliarity
which use over time will overcome. For help with Thunderbired, go to
the alt.comp.software.thunderbird newsgroup. Just be aware there are
some features in Thunderbird on Windows that are not doable under Linux.

Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?

https://pan.rebelbase.com/

Click on the "bug reports" navbar link. That will reveal a link to
their GitHub project site where bugs are tracked.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pan/-/issues?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=all

I didn't see a community/forum at the GitHub site to get peer support,
but there are forums back at the pan site which operate as mailing
lists. Be sure to be far more detailed there than you were here.

What other news readers are recommended?

I don't use Linux for personal use, and haven't touched it for decades
at work. The ones I see others using on Linux are:

pan (no idea what's wrong with it for you)
Thunderbird (visit their newsgroup to get help)
Gnus
tin
Claws Mail
Sylpheed
slrn

And then there's using a Windows NNTP client running on WINE.

Thank you, I will look up Gnus. Emacs is the editor I use.
As for what's wrong with pan, it just gives me a blank screen. I had
to give up on it. I only wanted to know whether others had problems
with it.
--
Dieter Britz

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On 07.08.2023 18.20, John wrote:

db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> writes:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

You'd need to provide more info than "started acting up" if you want us
to debug pan... reminds me of the old favorite "it had a glitch!"

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used
emacs before, it's probably not a good fit.

Claws can read news. I've only ever used it for email, but it does a
great job at that so maybe give it a shot?

john

Well, you didn't really need to know in what way pan stopped working.
It just refused to show me anything, I got a blank screen. I wanted
to know whether others had problems with it.

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Ammammata brought next idea :

db pretended :

What other news readers are recommended?

mesnews, but if you like oldies, there's xnews

forgot to say: try them with wine

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On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 01:29:42 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Gravity: Windows. |
Dialog: Windows. |
Xnews: Windows. |
^^^^^
All are Windows programs. The OP said he is using Linux.

So he can use Wine.

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rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-08-07, db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

I like TUI/CLI terminal apps so I use SLRN

Same preference. I use tin: <http://tin.org>. I'm sure there's a ready
to use package for your (DB) distro. (I use tin 'under' Cygwin - a
Linux/GNU environment - on Windows.)

[...]

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On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 12:34:03, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Same preference. I use tin: <http://tin.org>. I'm sure there's a ready
to use package for your (DB) distro. (I use tin 'under' Cygwin - a
Linux/GNU environment - on Windows.)

I use tin on Debian and also on my Android (via termux ssh, did not try
to cross-compile it yet).

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On 2023-08-07, db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

I used to use Pan, I now use slrn. Basicly the same scoring system. Mostly I chose it because I can use Jstar (JOE) as my editor and I don't have to use
the mouse.

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On 2023-08-08, s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 01:29:42 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Gravity: Windows. |
Dialog: Windows. |
Xnews: Windows. |
^^^^^
All are Windows programs. The OP said he is using Linux.

So he can use Wine.

Just silly. Pasting on a huge extra layer, just to read news.

slrn and alpine can both read and display news. Both are text based, not graphics, I do not use gui for news reaer but there are lots of gui news readers as well.

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s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Gravity: Windows. |
Dialog: Windows. |
Xnews: Windows. |
^^^^^
All are Windows programs. The OP said he is using Linux.

So he can use Wine.

Which I mentioned TWICE before your reply which you conveniently snipped
out my mention of WINE. Mentioned WINE in my 1st reply to the OP, and
again in my reply to Geordie (that you snipped). You're just
duplicating what Fox and I already said. We'll have to wait to see if
the OP is willing to use a Windows NNTP client atop of WINE. The NNTP
client will run slower using WINE, but performance may not matter,
especially if the OP is visiting text-only newsgroup. Might incur
longer waits if the OP is visiting binaries, and configures the NNTP
client to download all new messages instead of just those he selects to
read. We don't know if the purpose for the OP is to just read text
newsgroups, or also do binaries.

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
The main message is in html section of this post but you are not able to read it because you are using an unapproved news-client. Please try these links to amuse youself:

<https://i.imgur.com/Fk6rn62.png>
<https://i.imgur.com/Mxpx9bh.png>
<https://i.imgur.com/8y9HXmL.png>



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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/08/2023 14:46, db wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:uaqsji$2shkv$1@dont-email.me">I
switched <br>
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not <br>
as nice, I feel. <br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
You must be a very fussy person. What do you mean by saying "not as
nice, I feel"? How does a nice thing look like? There is nothing
nice in this world but people get by what they have. If you are fed
up of Thunderbird then you'll remain without a news-client for the
rest of your life. People normally choose one and stick with it.
News groups are mostly for trolling and having arguments about silly
things in life. There is nothing useful or "nice"here.<br>
<br>
For completeness and for your info I am using Thunderbird and I have
no reasons to complain about it. You get updates every other week
but you can install them or not bother with them like I do. For
Firefox, you now get updates every 3 days; They have gone crazy
these days.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="top">Arrest</div>
<div class="bottom">Dictator Putin</div>
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<div class="top">We Stand</div>
<div class="bottom">With Ukraine</div>
<br>
<div class="top border1">Stop Putin</div>
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On 2023-08-08, 😉 Good Guy 😉 <Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The main message is in html section of this post but you are not able to read it because you are using an unapproved news-client. Please try these links to amuse youself:

hilarious!

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Am 07.08.2023 um 15:46:26 Uhr schrieb db:

Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?

I remember it had a bug with a header, but it is fixed in current
versions.

Have you tried it again?

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johnson wrote:

On 2023-08-08, 😉 Good Guy 😉 <Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


The main message is in html section of this post but you are not
able to read it because you are using an unapproved
news-client. Please try these links to amuse youself:

hilarious!

yeah. i copy s/flowed/flawed/

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On 2023-08-09, issdr <p_u_n_k_i_n_d@yahoo.it> wrote:

johnson wrote:

On 2023-08-08, 😉 Good Guy 😉 <Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------1C8219F6C2634BC99B4086F8
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


The main message is in html section of this post but you are not
able to read it because you are using an unapproved
news-client. Please try these links to amuse youself:

hilarious!

yeah. i copy s/flowed/flawed/

haha: good one!

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issdr <p_u_n_k_i_n_d@yahoo.it> wrote:

johnson wrote:

On 2023-08-08, Good Guy <Hello.World@example.onion> wrote:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>>--------------1C8219F6C2634BC99B4086F8
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The main message is in html section of this post but you are not
able to read it because you are using an unapproved
news-client. Please try these links to amuse youself:

hilarious!

yeah. i copy s/flowed/flawed/

Hahahahahahahahahaha

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:46:26 +0200, db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?
--

You can install WINE in Linux Ubuntu and use Forte Agent reliably, but
you can't use SSL connections for NNTP and POP3 connections. The last free edition of Forte Agent is 3.3. You can buy version 8.00 for $29.00 and get monthly access to NNTP for $2.95 per month with up to 25 GB of data
access.

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Sam wrote:

You can install WINE in Linux Ubuntu and use Forte Agent reliably, but
you can't use SSL connections for NNTP and POP3 connections.

,----[ apt show stunnel4 2>&- | awk '/^Description: /,0' ]
| Description: Universal SSL tunnel for network daemons
| The stunnel program is designed to work as SSL encryption
| wrapper between remote client and local (inetd-startable) or
| remote server. The concept is that having non-SSL aware daemons
| running on your system you can easily setup them to
| communicate with clients over secure SSL channel.
| .
| stunnel can be used to add SSL functionality to commonly
| used inetd daemons like POP-2, POP-3 and IMAP servers
| without any changes in the programs' code.
| .
| This package contains a wrapper script for compatibility with stunnel 3.x `----

also works for nntp

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On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 16:17:47 -0700, Sam wrote:

You can install WINE in Linux Ubuntu and use Forte Agent reliably,

Now you've done it; VanguardLH has already posted this TWICE (*twice*).

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s|b

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On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 12:49:35 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Which I mentioned

Congratulations.

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On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 21:22:57 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 07.08.2023 um 15:46:26 Uhr schrieb db:

Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?

I remember it had a bug with a header, but it is fixed in current
versions.

Have you tried it again?

No, I haven't. Also, your newsreader seems to have a bug since it's
quoting something I haven't posted.

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s|b

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On 2023-08-07, db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

I use Pan and slrn. What does "acting up" mean? Which version are you using, which OS?

Pan is the best graphical newsreader in Linux, IMHO. If you're using an old version, then you're better off upgrading and seeing if that fixes whatever issue you're having.

JE

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On 07.08.2023 18.20, John wrote:

db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> writes:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

You'd need to provide more info than "started acting up" if you want us
to debug pan... reminds me of the old favorite "it had a glitch!"

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used
emacs before, it's probably not a good fit.

[...}

sudo apt-get install Gnus

[sudo] password for db:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package Gnus

Now what?

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db in news.software.readers:

On 07.08.2023 18.20, John wrote:

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>emacs before, it's probably not a good fit. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

E: Unable to locate package Gnus

Now what?

Gnus ist part of Emacs.

Please note the remark above!

Marcel
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db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:

On 07.08.2023 18.20, John wrote:

db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> writes:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

You'd need to provide more info than "started acting up" if you want us
to debug pan... reminds me of the old favorite "it had a glitch!"

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used >>emacs before, it's probably not a good fit.

[...}

sudo apt-get install Gnus

[sudo] password for db:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package Gnus

Now what?

As you've been told, Emacs is an enormous do-everything package,
including the dirty dishes in your kitchen. Gnus is in that package.

apt can only locate packages among the package sources you've told your
system to search in. There may come a time that you look for the package
source yourself and download it manually and then run dpkg or another
package manager to install it.

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On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 10:47:59 +0200, db wrote:

On 07.08.2023 18.20, John wrote:

db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> writes:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting up
about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched to
Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not as nice,
I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

You'd need to provide more info than "started acting up" if you want us
to debug pan... reminds me of the old favorite "it had a glitch!"

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used
emacs before, it's probably not a good fit.

Claws can read news. I've only ever used it for email, but it does a
great job at that so maybe give it a shot?


john

Well, you didn't really need to know in what way pan stopped working.
It just refused to show me anything, I got a blank screen. I wanted to
know whether others had problems with it.

You're a moron. That's what's wrong with it. Bugger off.


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在 2023年8月9日星期三 UTC+8 01:53:44，<😉 Good Guy 😉> 写道：

On 07/08/2023 14:46, db wrote:
I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
You must be a very fussy person. What do you mean by saying "not as nice, I feel"? How does a nice thing look like? There is nothing nice in this world but people get by what they have. If you are fed up of Thunderbird then you'll remain without a news-

client for the rest of your life. People normally choose one and stick with it. News groups are mostly for trolling and having arguments about silly things in life. There is nothing useful or "nice"here.

For completeness and for your info I am using Thunderbird and I have no reasons to complain about it. You get updates every other week but you can install them or not bother with them like I do. For Firefox, you now get updates every 3 days; They have

gone crazy these days.

Arrest
Dictator Putin

We Stand
With Ukraine

Stop Putin
Ukraine Under Attack

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https://b4ukraine.org/

nice, well written

https://www.temu.com/jp

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On 07.08.2023 18.20, John wrote:

db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> writes:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.

[...]

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used
emacs before, it's probably not a good fit.

I use emacs all the time and didn't know it can read News. But I can't
find that feature in its menu. Where is it?

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db in news.software.readers:

On 07.08.2023 18.20, John wrote:

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used >>emacs before, it's probably not a good fit.

I use emacs all the time and didn't know it can read News. But I can't
find that feature in its menu. Where is it?

Menu "Tools | Read Net News".

Or by keystroke: "M-x gnus RET".

But you have to have a reasonable "~/.gnus.el" file.

Example:

| (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "SERVER.IDENTIFICATION" (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-ssl-stream) (nntp-port-number 563) (nntp-address "YOUR.SERVER.HERE")))
| (setq user-mail-address "YOUR.EMAIL.ADDRESS")
| (setq user-full-name "YOUR.NAME")
| (setq message-user-fqdn "YOUR.FQDN.IF.APPLICABLE")
| (setq message-insert-canlock nil)
| (setq gnus-treat-display-smileys nil)
| (setq message-fill-column nil)
| (setq message-yank-prefix ">")
| (setq gnus-ignored-from-addresses "abcde")
| (setq gnus-article-sort-functions '((not gnus-article-sort-by-number)))
| (setq gnus-show-threads nil)
| (setq gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R %o %8N %I%(%[%4L: %-23,23f%]%) %s\n")
| (setq gnus-visible-headers ".*")
| (setq gnus-article-date-headers 'original)
| (setq fill-column nil)
| (setq message-user-organization "YOUR.ORGANIZATION")
| (add-to-list 'message-required-news-headers 'Organization t)
| (delete '(optional . Organization) message-required-news-headers)
| ; (?) (setq message-syntax-checks '((sender . disabled)))
| (setq message-generate-headers-first t)
| (setq gnus-article-fill-long-lines nil)
| (setq gnus-treat-fill-article nil)
| (setq gnus-treat-fill-long-lines nil)
| (setq gnus-posting-styles '(("\\.test$" (keywords "ignore"))))
| (setq gnus-emphasis-alist nil)
| ; (setq message-citation-line-function 'message-insert-formatted-citation-line)
| ; (setq message-citation-line-format "%N writes:\n")
| (setq message-citation-line-function 'my-citation-line)
| (defun my-citation-line () (when message-reply-headers (insert (or (car (gnus-extract-address-components (mail-header-from message-reply-headers))) (mail-header-from message-reply-headers)) " in " (message-fetch-reply-field "newsgroups") ":\n\n")))

Marcel
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On 8/15/23 13:12, Jason Evans wrote:

Pan is the best graphical newsreader in Linux, IMHO. If you're using an old version, then you're better off upgrading and seeing if that fixes whatever issue you're having.

JE

Honestly, I just prefer Thunderbird because the quoting looks nicer and
you can download all messages for offline reading.

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On 2023-08-23, Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

You're a moron. That's what's wrong with it. Bugger off.

Welcome back Dan :)

Andrew
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 14:00:07 +0200, db wrote:

On 07.08.2023 18.20, John wrote:

db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> writes:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting up
about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched to
Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not as nice,
I feel.

[...]

Anyway, I use Gnus, which is quite featureful but if you've never used
emacs before, it's probably not a good fit.

I use emacs all the time and didn't know it can read News. But I can't
find that feature in its menu. Where is it?

Ask the person who ties your shoes for you in the mornings.


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db wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

Am I the only one in the world who uses knode? Years ago I decided I
like it better than pan, but I don't remember the reasons.
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Ian gay <gay@sfu.ca> wrote:

db wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

Am I the only one in the world who uses knode? Years ago I decided I
like it better than pan, but I don't remember the reasons.

I used Knode 20 years ago and liked it. I liked the original Pan of
that time too, but the modern rewrite of Pan was too full of problems
for me to persevere with it.

I'm an unreconstructed Mac user now, wedded to my ancient MacSOUP.

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Retro Guy wrote:

Sn!pe wrote:

Ian gay <gay@sfu.ca> wrote:

db wrote:

I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
as nice, I feel.
Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
What other news readers are recommended?

Am I the only one in the world who uses knode? Years ago I decided I
like it better than pan, but I don't remember the reasons.

I really liked Knode. As KDE does, they have removed it (unsupported)
and it's gone from Debian repos. Seems many think, "just use
Thunderbird for news", but it's not a good newsreader in my opinion.

I used Knode 20 years ago and liked it. I liked the original Pan of
that time too, but the modern rewrite of Pan was too full of problems
for me to persevere with it.

Pan was nice, but now it doesn't show buttons on windows for me, and
other problems. I've given up on Pan now.

I'm using Sylpheed, which I like, but I find it irritating when it
checks groups while you're reading a message, then that message gets
marked as read, and disappears from the headers (using Show Unread).
Going back to look for it is a pain. Other than that, it's not too
bad.

knode is still available in Opensuse 15.5 - not in the default
distribution, but in one of their subsidiary repositories.

Yes, kde do seem to have a rather microsoftish view of what users
need/want.

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 15:34:37 +0000, Retro Guy wrote:

Pan was nice, but now it doesn't show buttons on windows for me, and
other problems. I've given up on Pan now.

That was a bug which has been corrected, I think a year or so ago. If your repos don't have a later version, get it from source over at the gnome dev site:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pan

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