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    From George Musk@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 7 19:31:21 2024
    XPost: alt.usenet.offline-reader

    Please tell me, is there any modern Simple Offline Usenet Packet (SOUP) software in existence? I.e. something that could get new messages from a
    NNTP server and create SOUP packets (and process reply packets?).
    Something like https://github.com/OS2World/APP-INTERNET-uqwk
    It was last updated in 2000 and does not support TLS.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to George Musk on Mon Apr 8 11:48:13 2024
    XPost: alt.usenet.offline-reader

    George Musk <grgmusk@skiff.com> wrote:
    Please tell me, is there any modern Simple Offline Usenet Packet (SOUP) software in existence? I.e. something that could get new messages from a
    NNTP server and create SOUP packets (and process reply packets?).
    Something like https://github.com/OS2World/APP-INTERNET-uqwk
    It was last updated in 2000 and does not support TLS.

    Which operating system do you use and which newsreader do you (want
    to) use?

    If you're not tied to a newsreader which processes SOUP, you might
    want to use a local 'proxy' news server like Hamster (if Windows) or
    Leafnode (if Linux). These local news servers sit between your newsreader
    (any NNTP newsreader) and your real news server (the news server of your
    NSP (News Service Provider), i.e. in your case BWH).

    FYI, in the old days I used uqwk on UNIX with the YARN newsreader on
    DOS. These days (since 2003) I use Hamster (on Windows) with the tin
    newsreader (under Cygwin on Windows).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From George Musk@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Apr 8 16:15:35 2024
    XPost: alt.usenet.offline-reader

    On 8 Apr 2024 11:48:13 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Which operating system do you use and which newsreader do you (want
    to) use?

    If you're not tied to a newsreader which processes SOUP, you might
    want to use a local 'proxy' news server like Hamster (if Windows) or
    Leafnode (if Linux). These local news servers sit between your
    newsreader (any NNTP newsreader) and your real news server (the news
    server of your NSP (News Service Provider), i.e. in your case BWH).

    FYI, in the old days I used uqwk on UNIX with the YARN newsreader on
    DOS. These days (since 2003) I use Hamster (on Windows) with the tin newsreader (under Cygwin on Windows).

    I wanted to experiment with MultiMail (in Linux or something), because it
    looks cute.
    Maybe it would've worked like
    proxy news server <-> uqwk <-> mm
    If uqwk would compile of course.
    But Leafnode doesn't support TLS too.
    Uqwk can also get news from a directory.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to George Musk on Tue Apr 9 09:30:49 2024
    XPost: alt.usenet.offline-reader

    George Musk <grgmusk@skiff.com> wrote:
    On 8 Apr 2024 11:48:13 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Which operating system do you use and which newsreader do you (want
    to) use?

    If you're not tied to a newsreader which processes SOUP, you might
    want to use a local 'proxy' news server like Hamster (if Windows) or Leafnode (if Linux). These local news servers sit between your
    newsreader (any NNTP newsreader) and your real news server (the news
    server of your NSP (News Service Provider), i.e. in your case BWH).

    FYI, in the old days I used uqwk on UNIX with the YARN newsreader on
    DOS. These days (since 2003) I use Hamster (on Windows) with the tin newsreader (under Cygwin on Windows).

    I wanted to experiment with MultiMail (in Linux or something), because it looks cute.
    Maybe it would've worked like
    proxy news server <-> uqwk <-> mm

    Which server/service *requires* TLS? Of course on some servers/
    services you *can* use TLS, but often it's optional. For example my NSP, News.Individual.Net, does not require TLS.

    If uqwk would compile of course.

    Why wouldn't it compile/build? I built uqwk on HP-UX (HP's version of
    UNIX) sometime in the 90s, so I don't see why it wouldn't compile/build
    now.

    But Leafnode doesn't support TLS too.
    Uqwk can also get news from a directory.

    Speaking of proxies, I seem to remember that there are some general
    purpose proxy servers which do plain-password on one end and things like
    TLS on the other end. There's one for Windows, but I don't remember the
    name. I'm sure there's something similar for Linux.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From George Musk@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Apr 10 10:19:29 2024
    XPost: alt.usenet.offline-reader

    On 9 Apr 2024 09:30:49 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Which server/service *requires* TLS? Of course on some servers/
    services you *can* use TLS, but often it's optional. For example my NSP, News.Individual.Net, does not require TLS.

    It's not required, I just thought it's a good thing to have it.

    Why wouldn't it compile/build? I built uqwk on HP-UX (HP's version of
    UNIX) sometime in the 90s, so I don't see why it wouldn't compile/build
    now.

    Sometimes things break over time, it would be great, if it's so well
    written and everything is so compatible that it would work right away, of course.

    Speaking of proxies, I seem to remember that there are some general
    purpose proxy servers which do plain-password on one end and things like
    TLS on the other end. There's one for Windows, but I don't remember the name. I'm sure there's something similar for Linux.

    Seems like it is possible to do with stunnel.
    Maybe I'll try it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to George Musk on Wed Apr 10 12:37:14 2024
    XPost: alt.usenet.offline-reader

    George Musk <grgmusk@skiff.com> wrote:
    On 9 Apr 2024 09:30:49 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    [...]

    Speaking of proxies, I seem to remember that there are some general purpose proxy servers which do plain-password on one end and things like TLS on the other end. There's one for Windows, but I don't remember the name. I'm sure there's something similar for Linux.

    Seems like it is possible to do with stunnel.
    Maybe I'll try it.

    Yes, stunnel was what I was thinking of, but the name just didn't pop
    up in my mind! :-)

    And it's available for Windows and Linux (and several other OSs), so
    you're all set.

    Good luck

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From George Musk@21:1/5 to George Musk on Sat Jul 6 09:38:58 2024
    XPost: alt.usenet.offline-reader

    On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 19:31:21 -0000 (UTC), George Musk wrote:

    Something like https://github.com/OS2World/APP-INTERNET-uqwk It was last

    Well, I got to trying to use it.
    uqwk from the link above has some symbol at the end of most .c .h files
    which would cause a compiler error, but would compile if it is edited out. Maybe result of moving files around.

    It needs environment variable NNTPSERVER set and a .newsrc file, where
    it's needed to add a colon after newsgroup name to mark it subscribed.
    Nothing about that in uqwk man. Of course I only used Outlook and Pan for
    news, so it was all new to me.
    Then it's something like uqwk -m +n +L to make SOUP packet.

    First I did it in OpenBSD just because, it would do segmentation fault.
    Then in Linux and it progressed to the state of creating SOUP packet
    (files were in home dir...) and crashed with some error (could be because
    of my particular Linux which is Kicksecure) so I only got some .MSG file
    and empty AREAS file, not enough for MultiMail to show stuff.

    MultiMail on the other hand seems to work fine with both systems.

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