• moderators global site?

    From jdanield@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 24 11:39:37 2022
    hello :-)

    I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.

    I have to make a moderated group as a trick to bind it to a mailing list
    (a sympa trick) and noticed the "moderator" file and the page

    https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/moderators.html

    both quotes "moderators.isc.org" as main/default moderators list.

    I don't know if this address is still valid. Of course isc.org still
    exists, but are they still managing moderators?

    the mailing list is

    https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/moderators

    but is private

    I try not to bother them by requesting a subscription only to know if
    they read :-)

    thanks
    jdd

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to jdd@dodin.org on Mon Jan 24 18:07:06 2022
    In article <sslvl9$9fg$1@dont-email.me>, jdanield <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
    I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.

    Not so many.

    I don't know if this address is still valid. Of course isc.org
    still exists, but are they still managing moderators?

    Yes, I manage this. Updates still happen.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to jdanield on Mon Jan 24 18:00:00 2022
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 24/01/2022 10:39, jdanield wrote:


    I try not to bother them by requesting a subscription only to know if
    they read :-)


    You can safely assume that moderated "NewsGroups" are dead. Nobody is interested in them because of bureaucracy involved and prejudices of moderators. They are humans after all and so what they approve, or not
    approve, may not necessarily tune in with the mass public that use them.
    For example, we have Mussolini controlled server based in Italy and
    Neo-Nazi server based in Germany, run by a person from Banana Republic
    who has filtered my posts for more than a year. Therefore, people using
    those servers are not able to read my posts and they are required to ask
    people to re-post my posts from premium servers so that they get the
    solutions to their Windows 10 problems. Neo-Nazi servers and Mafia
    supported Mussolini servers should be banned completely from the
    internet. We are constantly told by law makers that we want "Open
    Internet" but these newsgroups are NOT really "Open" as they are made
    out to be?

    In short, "Moderated Newsgroups are not at an end game. They are not
    even the beginning of the end game. But they are, perhaps, the end of
    the beginning of the end game".


    --
    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But
    it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning"


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/01/2022 10:39, jdanield wrote:<br>
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    <br>
    I try not to bother them by requesting a subscription only to know
    if they read :-) <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p>You can safely assume that moderated "NewsGroups" are dead.
    Nobody is interested in them because of bureaucracy involved and
    prejudices of moderators. They are humans after all and so what
    they approve, or not approve, may not necessarily tune in with the
    mass public that use them. For example, we have Mussolini
    controlled server based in Italy and Neo-Nazi server based in
    Germany, run by a person from Banana Republic who has filtered my
    posts for more than a year. Therefore, people using those servers
    are not able to read my posts and they are required to ask people
    to re-post my posts from premium servers so that they get the
    solutions to their Windows 10 problems. Neo-Nazi servers and Mafia
    supported Mussolini servers should be banned completely from the
    internet. We are constantly told by law makers that we want "Open
    Internet" but these newsgroups are NOT really "Open" as they are
    made out to be?</p>
    <p>In short, "Moderated Newsgroups are not at an end game. They are
    not even the beginning of the end game. But they are, perhaps, the
    end of the beginning of the end game".<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
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  • From Etian@21:1/5 to jdanield on Mon Jan 24 12:11:12 2022
    On 1/24/22 2:39 AM, jdanield wrote:
    hello :-)

    I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.

    I have to make a moderated group as a trick to bind it to a mailing list
    (a sympa trick) and noticed the "moderator" file and the page

    https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/moderators.html

    both quotes "moderators.isc.org" as main/default moderators list.

    I don't know if this address is still valid. Of course isc.org still
    exists, but are they still managing moderators?

    the mailing list is

    https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/moderators

    but is private

    I try not to bother them by requesting a subscription only to know if
    they read :-)

    thanks
    jdd

    It sounds like what you need is a private news server just to carry your private group. That would be easy to set up on a little VPS.

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  • From jdanield@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 24 23:04:51 2022
    Le 24/01/2022 à 19:07, Todd M. McComb a écrit :
    In article <sslvl9$9fg$1@dont-email.me>, jdanield <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
    I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.

    Not so many.

    I don't know if this address is still valid. Of course isc.org
    still exists, but are they still managing moderators?

    Yes, I manage this. Updates still happen.

    very good, thanks a lot :-))

    got it
    jdd

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 24 21:22:20 2022
    According to jdanield <jdd@dodin.org>:
    hello :-)

    I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.

    I have to make a moderated group as a trick to bind it to a mailing list
    (a sympa trick) and noticed the "moderator" file and the page

    INN has a moderators file with patterns that map moderated newsgroup
    names to the moderators' address, with moderators.isc.org as the
    default. I presume other news servers have something similar

    If this is a local newsgroup, you need to put an entry in your
    moderators file that points at the Sympa address, or more likely at a
    script that uses something like formail to strip off the news headers
    that will confuse sympa.

    I run INN and Sympa and have gateways going both ways. They work OK.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From jdanield@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 24 23:10:12 2022
    Le 24/01/2022 à 22:22, John Levine a écrit :

    I run INN and Sympa and have gateways going both ways. They work OK.

    very interesting do you use this:

    https://www.sympa.org/faq/tips_and_howto#mailing_lists_and_newsgroups

    I fail to make it work

    my summary here (not working)

    http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.ConfigurerINN-2021#toc-9

    thanks
    jdd

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  • From jdanield@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 24 23:07:25 2022
    Le 24/01/2022 à 21:11, Etian a écrit :

    It sounds like what you need is a private news server just to carry your private group. That would be easy to set up on a little VPS.

    no.

    it was only to test a sympa trick, that don't seems to work :-(

    thanks
    jdd

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to jdd@dodin.org on Tue Jan 25 00:47:45 2022
    It appears that jdanield <jdd@dodin.org> said:
    Le 24/01/2022 à 22:22, John Levine a écrit :

    I run INN and Sympa and have gateways going both ways. They work OK.

    very interesting do you use this:

    https://www.sympa.org/faq/tips_and_howto#mailing_lists_and_newsgroups

    More or less but I have my own scripts that I wrote long before I switched
    to Sympa.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 23:09:04 2022
    Hi John,

    If this is a local newsgroup, you need to put an entry in your
    moderators file that points at the Sympa address, or more likely at a
    script that uses something like formail to strip off the news headers
    that will confuse sympa.

    I run INN and Sympa and have gateways going both ways. They work OK.

    Incidentally, as you're an e-mail expert, I see that mailpost
    has a parameter to specify a Mailing-List header field...

    -m mailing-list
    If the -m flag is used, the value given is added to the article in
    a Mailing-List header field, if such a header field doesn't already
    exist.

    Yet, this header field is not standardized.
    I wonder if it shouldn't be the List-ID header field instead?

    Do you have any advice about that?



    Anyway, it needs being fixed (either -m removed or changed to List-ID
    or any better header field name) because mailpost currently does
    something weird with the argument...
    Using "-m mailing-list" adds a "Mailing-List: <mailing-list> /dev/null"
    header field...

    if ($opt_m) {
    $mailing_list = "<" . $opt_m . "> /dev/null";
    }

    $real_news_hdrs .= "Mailing-List: ${mailing_list}\n" if defined($mailing_list);

    Weird.

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Il buvait toutes mes paroles, et comme je parlais beaucoup, à un
    moment, je le vois qui titubait… » (Raymond Devos)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 22:15:37 2022
    Hi John,

    If this is a local newsgroup, you need to put an entry in your
    moderators file that points at the Sympa address, or more likely at a
    script that uses something like formail to strip off the news headers
    that will confuse sympa.

    Do you happen to know which header fields confuse Sympa?

    By default, mailpost keeps untouched:

    Archive
    Archived-At
    Comments
    Content-*
    Date
    Distribution
    From
    Injection-Date
    Keywords
    Mailing-List
    Message-ID
    MIME-*
    Organization
    References
    Return-Path
    Sender
    Subject
    Summary

    removes:

    X-Complaints-To
    X-Trace

    and prepends "X-" to all other header fields.

    This can be changed with the -x and -z flags given to mailpost but I
    would be happy to modify these defaults if you think they should be adapted.

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Arrêtez vos salades, Romaines ! » (Astérix)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 22:52:00 2022
    Bonsoir Jean-Daniel,

    I fail to make it work
    my summary here (not working)

    http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.ConfigurerINN-2021#toc-9

    I've taken the time to read your summary.
    OK, I understand what's going on.

    I've updated the mailpost man page to explain how it works. You have to use "-a" and set up readers.conf (to allow the posts of approved articles) and moderators.
    I've taken into account your suggestion of not using "-b /var/tmp" in the example for the path to a persistent database directory (I now suggest
    "-b /var/spool/mailpost" if the default of <pathdb> is not usable).


    Normally, mailpost is run by sendmail(8) via an alias entry:

    local-mail-wreck-bikes: "|<pathbin in inn.conf>/mailpost
    -b /var/spool/mailpost -t /tmp -d local local.bicycles.racing"

    The -b and -t flags are useful to change the directories used by
    mailpost by default. As a matter of fact, though it is recommended to
    run mailpost as the news user, it is as often as not run as another
    user, notably the mail user. Therefore, you should make sure to create
    and set to be writable by the user that mailpost runs as the
    directories where to put the database and the temporary files. Also,
    mailpost must be executable by that user.

    Instead of /var/spool/mailpost, the mail spool directory can be
    specified, or any other directory where the mailpost process has write
    access.

    A common practice to gateway a newsgroup to a mailing-list is to create
    a moderated newsgroup (running for instance the command "ctlinnd
    newgroup local.bicycles.racing m") and set the moderation address for
    this newsgroup in the moderators file in pathetc to the mailing-list
    address. If you add an -a flag in the above example, then on the one
    hand, when a message is sent to the mailing-list, mailpost will be run,
    mark it as approved, and the message will directly reach the newsgroup.
    On the other hand, when a message is posted to the newsgroup, it
    normally does not have an Approved header field, so it will be sent (by
    nnrpd) to the mailing-list address configured in the moderators file,
    which means the message reaches the mailing-list and, like any other
    messages posted to the mailing-list, it will be processed by mailpost,
    approved, and finally reach the newsgroup.




    In combination with:

    -a addr
    If the -a flag is used, addr (which is usually the e-mail address
    of the poster) is added to the article as the body of an Approved
    header field. It is useful if one of the newsgroup to which the
    article should be posted is moderated. (Of course, this flag
    should be added only if you are supposed to auto-approve your
    posts.)

    Be sure that the reader connection made by inews to post the
    article is allowed to post approved articles (see the "A" letter in
    the access parameter of access blocks in readers.conf).



    And I have mentioned:

    -b database
    [...]
    This option may be required if the
    mailpost process does not have write access to the news database
    directory (notably when it is executed as the mail user).
    [...]
    Make sure the specified location exists and is writable by the user
    mailpost runs as.

    Same addition to "-t tmpdir".



    I hope these explanations will be helpful!

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Arrêtez vos salades, Romaines ! » (Astérix)

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