• Re: How may I install INN w/o Exim?

    From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to 711@spooky.mart on Fri Oct 22 21:41:33 2021
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> writes:

    Arch is Debian. Goal is to set up inn to serve some local groups and to
    feed with other nntp hosts with a few text groups.

    When I try to apt-get install inn or inn2 the package manager wants to
    pull down and install exim4. Why does inn need exim packages?

    INN needs a way to send mail (something providing mail-transport-agent).
    exim is just the Debian default. You can pick any other package that
    provides mail-transport-agent (apt-cache search mail-transport-agent may
    help).

    (It has to be able to send mail to submit posts to moderated newsgroups,
    and also by default to send you nightly reports.)

    If you don't otherwise need a mail transport agent on that system,
    nullmailer and ssmtp both try to be as minimal and easy to set up as
    possible.

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  • From 711 Spooky Mart@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 22 23:30:45 2021
    Arch is Debian. Goal is to set up inn to serve some local groups and to
    feed with other nntp hosts with a few text groups.

    When I try to apt-get install inn or inn2 the package manager wants to
    pull down and install exim4. Why does inn need exim packages?

    Can I install inn or inn2 without exim4? I really do not want this
    mailer on my server as I already have dovecot set up and running and I
    don't want to spend a month of Sundays learning the internals of exim.

    How may I proceed to install and set up inn without this extra bloat?

    As an alternative would there be some other nntp server that fits my requirements, that does not require studying for a new virtual degree
    just to install it?

    --
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    ─────┃─┃──┏┛─┗┓──┏┛─┗┓─ │ https://bitmessage.org │ │ open │
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  • From 711 Spooky Mart@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Fri Oct 22 23:51:23 2021
    On 10/22/21 11:41 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> writes:

    Arch is Debian. Goal is to set up inn to serve some local groups and to
    feed with other nntp hosts with a few text groups.

    When I try to apt-get install inn or inn2 the package manager wants to
    pull down and install exim4. Why does inn need exim packages?

    INN needs a way to send mail (something providing mail-transport-agent).
    exim is just the Debian default. You can pick any other package that provides mail-transport-agent (apt-cache search mail-transport-agent may help).

    Debian dpkg does not give me a choice. It requires the exim4 packages.
    And why does inn need to send mail? I thought the nntp servers were
    supposed to exchange control messages and feeds only at static IP addresses.

    --
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    ──┗━━┓─┃──┗┓─┃───┗┓─┃── │ Spooky Mart [chan] 711 │ │ always │
    ─────┃─┃──┏┛─┗┓──┏┛─┗┓─ │ https://bitmessage.org │ │ open │
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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to 711@spooky.mart on Fri Oct 22 22:45:38 2021
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> writes:
    On 10/22/21 11:41 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:

    INN needs a way to send mail (something providing
    mail-transport-agent). exim is just the Debian default. You can pick
    any other package that provides mail-transport-agent (apt-cache search
    mail-transport-agent may help).

    Debian dpkg does not give me a choice. It requires the exim4 packages.

    Install a different package that provides mail-transport-agent first (or
    at the same time) and then it won't do that. The inn2 package depends on default-mta | mail-transport-agent, so if the dependency isn't already satisfied, it installs default-mta, which is exim4 on Debian.

    And why does inn need to send mail?

    (It has to be able to send mail to submit posts to moderated newsgroups,
    and also by default to send you nightly reports.)

    --
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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to newsmaster will never utilize on Fri Oct 22 23:54:15 2021
    On 10/22/21 10:51 PM, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
    And why does inn need to send mail?

    I'll argue that INN itself doesn't /need/ an MTA. The INN /package/ on
    Debian apparently is configured to require an MTA, even if the
    newsmaster will never utilize said MTA. To me that's the fault of the
    package maintainer's decisions.

    I thought the nntp servers were supposed to exchange control messages
    and feeds only at static IP addresses.

    It can use names which are resolved to IPs as well as UUCP. Neither of
    which require static IPs.



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    unix || die

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  • From 711 Spooky Mart@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sat Oct 23 01:35:40 2021
    On 10/23/21 12:54 AM, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 10/22/21 10:51 PM, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
    And why does inn need to send mail?

    I'll argue that INN itself doesn't /need/ an MTA.  The INN /package/ on Debian apparently is configured to require an MTA, even if the
    newsmaster will never utilize said MTA.  To me that's the fault of the package maintainer's decisions.

    Agreed. Bloat is bad.

    I thought the nntp servers were supposed to exchange control messages
    and feeds only at static IP addresses.

    It can use names which are resolved to IPs as well as UUCP.  Neither of which require static IPs.

    I see. Do some sysops require a static IP before they will agree to
    sync? I presume some just care about the FQDN, then?

    --
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    ──┗━━┓─┃──┗┓─┃───┗┓─┃── │ Spooky Mart [chan] 711 │ │ always │
    ─────┃─┃──┏┛─┗┓──┏┛─┗┓─ │ https://bitmessage.org │ │ open │
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  • From 711 Spooky Mart@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Sat Oct 23 01:32:39 2021
    On 10/23/21 12:45 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> writes:
    On 10/22/21 11:41 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:

    INN needs a way to send mail (something providing
    mail-transport-agent). exim is just the Debian default. You can pick
    any other package that provides mail-transport-agent (apt-cache search
    mail-transport-agent may help).

    Debian dpkg does not give me a choice. It requires the exim4 packages.

    Install a different package that provides mail-transport-agent first (or
    at the same time) and then it won't do that. The inn2 package depends on default-mta | mail-transport-agent, so if the dependency isn't already satisfied, it installs default-mta, which is exim4 on Debian.

    And why does inn need to send mail?

    (It has to be able to send mail to submit posts to moderated newsgroups, >>> and also by default to send you nightly reports.)


    Ah, I think dma or some other barebones mta with a config to locked down
    to localhost will be ok. They still shouldn't have a require in the dpkg manifest. It should just be in suggests.

    --
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    ──┗━━┓─┃──┗┓─┃───┗┓─┃── │ Spooky Mart [chan] 711 │ │ always │
    ─────┃─┃──┏┛─┗┓──┏┛─┗┓─ │ https://bitmessage.org │ │ open │
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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 23 01:44:07 2021
    On 10/23/21 12:35 AM, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
    Agreed. Bloat is bad.

    I agree that the strict requirement for INN is ... sub-optimal.

    But I have an MTA on every single Unix system that I administer if for
    nothing other than getting emails from cron or the ability to pipe
    command output into mail so that I can send myself notes.

    Note: Having an MTA does not mean that the system is an email server.

    I see. Do some sysops require a static IP before they will agree to
    sync? I presume some just care about the FQDN, then?

    I assume that most news masters will want a static IP. Some news
    masters are more flexible and willing to work with peers. I don't
    /know/ what the actual ratio is.

    I think that INN needs to be kicked in the bits (HUP?) or even restarted
    to see names resolve to new IPs.



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    unix || die

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  • From Martin Burmester@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 23 14:59:01 2021
    Hi,

    Am 23.10.2021 um 08:35 schrieb 711 Spooky Mart:
    I thought the nntp servers were supposed to exchange control messages
    and feeds only at static IP addresses.
    It can use names which are resolved to IPs as well as UUCP.  Neither of
    which require static IPs.
    I see. Do some sysops require a static IP before they will agree to
    sync? I presume some just care about the FQDN, then?

    For peerings using the NNTP protocol people usually require static a IP.
    An NNTP peering with a dynamic IP can become unstable if the address
    changes.

    Peerings using the UUCP protocol works well with dynamic IP addresses,
    so this is usually the better choice when dynamic IPs are involved.

    Cheers
    Martin

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to 711@spooky.mart on Sat Oct 23 13:17:20 2021
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 23:30:45 -0500,
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
    Arch is Debian. Goal is to set up inn to serve some local
    groups and to feed with other nntp hosts with a few text
    groups.

    How may I proceed to install and set up inn without [exim]?

    As an alternative would there be some other nntp server that
    fits my requirements, that does not require studying for a new
    virtual degree just to install it?

    If you are only wanting a small subset of news, leafnode might
    suit your needs.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to 711@spooky.mart on Sat Oct 23 08:44:13 2021
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> writes:

    Ah, I think dma or some other barebones mta with a config to locked down
    to localhost will be ok.

    I use msmtp myself (but the host on which inn2 is installed also has
    postfix installed for other reasons).

    They still shouldn't have a require in the dpkg manifest. It should just
    be in suggests.

    I can see arguments either way, but I'm also not the package maintainer
    and therefore don't have to make that decision. :) You could file a bug against the Debian package and see if you can convince Marco.

    --
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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Martin Burmester on Sun Oct 24 18:24:28 2021
    On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:59:01 +0200
    Martin Burmester <martin@burmester.org> wrote:

    Hi,

    Am 23.10.2021 um 08:35 schrieb 711 Spooky Mart:
    I thought the nntp servers were supposed to exchange control
    messages and feeds only at static IP addresses.
    For peerings using the NNTP protocol people usually require static a
    IP. An NNTP peering with a dynamic IP can become unstable if the
    address changes.

    Peerings using the UUCP protocol works well with dynamic IP
    addresses, so this is usually the better choice when dynamic IPs are involved.

    This issue has just come up for me. I've setup a new innd server and
    currently have one peer and I'd like to add a few more non-binary
    peers (feel free to contact me), however my ipv4 is dynamic however my
    ipv6 is static, but, of course, not everyone has ipv6.

    Now, whenever my IP changes, my router instantly updates the DNS via
    nsupdate and I have a short ttl on the domain name. Is that likely to
    be an issue?

    I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
    probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a learning process, again.

    Thanks,
    Nigel



    --
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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Sun Oct 24 17:28:34 2021
    Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> writes:

    Now, whenever my IP changes, my router instantly updates the DNS via
    nsupdate and I have a short ttl on the domain name. Is that likely to be
    an issue?

    INN hangs on to peer IP addresses for incoming.conf forever. Best
    practices (implemented by at least the Debian inn2 package and probably
    others) is to periodically reload incoming.conf (such as from cron) to
    pick up new IP addresses. Given that, you probably won't have a problem, although it will vary by peer.

    --
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  • From 711 Spooky Mart@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Sun Oct 24 22:36:39 2021
    On 10/24/21 6:24 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:

    I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
    probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a learning process, again.

    I was discussing in another group with a netizen who was posting to
    Usenet via a BBS over Fidonet. He told me he was reading our Usenet
    thread via a BBS. I think some are still syncing via UUCP. You might
    find a couple of BBS sysops willing to sync up.

    I still have to solve all of my problems with inn config for my strange
    project requirements. Then I'll be in touch about syncing. I have to
    make sure everything is perfect and tests out.

    --
    ──┏━━━━┓──┏━━┓───┏━━┓── ┌────────────────────────┐ ┌────────┐
    ──┗━━┓─┃──┗┓─┃───┗┓─┃── │ Spooky Mart [chan] 711 │ │ always │
    ─────┃─┃──┏┛─┗┓──┏┛─┗┓─ │ https://bitmessage.org │ │ open │
    ─────┗━┛──┗━━━┛──┗━━━┛─ └────────────────────────┘ └────────┘

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Mon Oct 25 00:01:36 2021
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:28:34 -0700
    Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

    INN hangs on to peer IP addresses for incoming.conf forever. Best
    practices (implemented by at least the Debian inn2 package and
    probably others) is to periodically reload incoming.conf (such as
    from cron) to pick up new IP addresses. Given that, you probably
    won't have a problem, although it will vary by peer.

    Ah, if it's cached that it will eventually be an issue. My ip only
    changes after an extended outage, but it could still happen at any
    time. I doubt any news admin is going to want to make changes to
    accommodate me. As I said, my ipv6 is static so I can, and do right
    now, peer with ipv6 enabled sites.

    Thanks,
    Nigel




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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to 711@spooky.mart on Mon Oct 25 00:00:02 2021
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 22:36:39 -0500
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:

    On 10/24/21 6:24 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:

    I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
    probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a
    learning process, again.

    I was discussing in another group with a netizen who was posting to
    Usenet via a BBS over Fidonet. He told me he was reading our Usenet
    thread via a BBS. I think some are still syncing via UUCP. You might
    find a couple of BBS sysops willing to sync up.

    There's a couple of ways BBS's are using newsfeeds these days. One of
    them is as a fido group that's propagated through the FTN method. This
    is what I was using on my BBS until my uplink shut down his news
    service account.

    With Synchronet, the method I'll be using is to import newsgroups into
    an echo group so members can read usenet just like any other echo
    group. I dount any of them are using uucp and most of us that are
    getting newsfeeds are probably using one of two other sysop's feeds
    which is why I want to find some independent ones.

    I still have to solve all of my problems with inn config for my
    strange project requirements. Then I'll be in touch about syncing. I
    have to make sure everything is perfect and tests out.

    If you're wanting to peer, I'm fine with that. My feeder didn't have
    the original article so I'm not sure what your issue may be.

    Thanks,
    Nigel



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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Sun Oct 24 23:45:06 2021
    On 10/24/21 5:24 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:
    This issue has just come up for me. I've setup a new innd server and currently have one peer and I'd like to add a few more non-binary
    peers (feel free to contact me), however my ipv4 is dynamic however my
    ipv6 is static, but, of course, not everyone has ipv6.

    Send me an email directly. I'd be happy to peer with you.

    I'm good with IPv6, dynamic IPv4, and UUCP. Whatever works best.

    Now, whenever my IP changes, my router instantly updates the DNS via
    nsupdate and I have a short ttl on the domain name. Is that likely to
    be an issue?

    It may mean that INN ends up trying to connect to an old IP until it's
    kicked in the bits (HUPed / restarted). But if you can live with at
    worst a "hey ... hulp ..." type email on occasion, then I think things
    can work.

    I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
    probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a learning process, again.

    I've got UUCP on my transit news server. I'd be happy to set that up.



    --
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    unix || die

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Mon Oct 25 05:14:44 2021
    Nigel Reed wrote:

    There's a couple of ways BBS's are using newsfeeds these days. One of
    them is as a fido group that's propagated through the FTN method. This
    is what I was using on my BBS until my uplink shut down his news
    service account.

    With Synchronet, the method I'll be using is to import newsgroups into
    an echo group so members can read usenet just like any other echo
    group. I dount any of them are using uucp and most of us that are
    getting newsfeeds are probably using one of two other sysop's feeds
    which is why I want to find some independent ones.

    Yes, Synchronet provides a nntp gateway which makes it reasonably simple: http://wiki.synchro.net/module:newslink

    You can connect to an nntp server and keep your echo in sync with the server and read/post as normal. It works pretty well, is use it myself.

    Retro Guy

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to 711@spooky.mart on Mon Oct 25 01:19:04 2021
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 23:30:45 -0500
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:

    Can I install inn or inn2 without exim4? I really do not want this
    mailer on my server as I already have dovecot set up and running and I
    don't want to spend a month of Sundays learning the internals of exim.

    Ok, I found the original article. Three options.

    1. Install inn from source and not have to deal with any of that. Plus
    you get the latest and greatest.

    2. Make use of the equivs package, which will basically allow you to
    create dummy packages that will satisfy a dependency.

    3. Get the package, uncompress it, remove the dependency and then
    repack it and install. Someone with a similar issue with exim asked
    this question almost 11 years ago if you point your browser here: https://serverfault.com/questions/250224/how-do-i-get-apt-get-to-ignore-some-dependencies

    Good luck.


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  • From Richard Kettlewell@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Mon Oct 25 08:59:43 2021
    Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> writes:
    711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:

    Can I install inn or inn2 without exim4? I really do not want this
    mailer on my server as I already have dovecot set up and running and I
    don't want to spend a month of Sundays learning the internals of exim.

    Ok, I found the original article. Three options.

    1. Install inn from source and not have to deal with any of that. Plus
    you get the latest and greatest.

    2. Make use of the equivs package, which will basically allow you to
    create dummy packages that will satisfy a dependency.

    3. Get the package, uncompress it, remove the dependency and then
    repack it and install. Someone with a similar issue with exim asked
    this question almost 11 years ago if you point your browser here: https://serverfault.com/questions/250224/how-do-i-get-apt-get-to-ignore-some-dependencies

    Are these really easier options than just installing nullmailer or
    similar?

    --
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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Mon Oct 25 09:01:37 2021
    Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> writes:
    Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

    INN hangs on to peer IP addresses for incoming.conf forever. Best
    practices (implemented by at least the Debian inn2 package and
    probably others) is to periodically reload incoming.conf (such as
    from cron) to pick up new IP addresses. Given that, you probably
    won't have a problem, although it will vary by peer.

    Ah, if it's cached that it will eventually be an issue. My ip only
    changes after an extended outage, but it could still happen at any
    time. I doubt any news admin is going to want to make changes to
    accommodate me. As I said, my ipv6 is static so I can, and do right
    now, peer with ipv6 enabled sites.

    To be clear, my point is that INN is normally installed to reload
    incoming.conf from cron on some schedule (often nightly), which will fix
    all of the peers of that host. So it's not something special for you, but
    it may be broken for up to a day depending on the schedule (and some INN
    sites may not run such a cron job).

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

    Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 26 09:25:51 2021
    Hi Nigel,
    I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
    probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a learning process, again.

    In case you set up a UUCP feed, you can have a look at the instructions
    in the "Setting up UUCP feeds" section here:
    https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/send-uucp.html

    In case you see any improvements to add to that documentation, do not
    hesitate to tell.

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    vous en parle de trop près, pour que vous les attrapiez ! » (Raymond
    Devos)

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid on Tue Oct 26 16:18:56 2021
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:25:51 +0200
    Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:


    In case you set up a UUCP feed, you can have a look at the
    instructions in the "Setting up UUCP feeds" section here:
    https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/send-uucp.html

    In case you see any improvements to add to that documentation, do not hesitate to tell.

    Thanks for the link. I was going to go and search for one but this
    looks pretty comprehensive. I'll take a look.

    Thanks,
    Nigel




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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Tue Oct 26 17:53:31 2021
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 23:45:06 -0600
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:


    Send me an email directly. I'd be happy to peer with you.

    I'm good with IPv6, dynamic IPv4, and UUCP. Whatever works best.

    I have done. Let me know if you don't get it (or a response from me in
    a reasonable time). my BBS email can be a little finicky at time.

    Now, whenever my IP changes, my router instantly updates the DNS via nsupdate and I have a short ttl on the domain name. Is that likely
    to be an issue?

    It may mean that INN ends up trying to connect to an old IP until
    it's kicked in the bits (HUPed / restarted). But if you can live
    with at worst a "hey ... hulp ..." type email on occasion, then I
    think things can work.

    The usenet server is behind a NAT (gosh horror) so as far as it's
    concerned, it has the same IP. It's the other end that may have the
    issues, I'm not sure.

    I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
    probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a
    learning process, again.

    I've got UUCP on my transit news server. I'd be happy to set that up.

    Well, let's give it a whirl, I'm all for helping old technology avoid
    being dead and buried...otherwise I wouldn't run a fido BBS :)

    Thanks,
    Nigel

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Thu Oct 28 00:19:15 2021
    On 10/26/21 4:53 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:
    I have done. Let me know if you don't get it (or a response from me
    in a reasonable time). my BBS email can be a little finicky at time.

    I've not received an email from you yet. I just sent you a new email. Hopefully it comes through and we can figure things out.



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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Mon Nov 1 17:57:31 2021
    On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 00:19:15 -0600
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

    On 10/26/21 4:53 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:
    I have done. Let me know if you don't get it (or a response from me
    in a reasonable time). my BBS email can be a little finicky at
    time.

    I've not received an email from you yet. I just sent you a new
    email. Hopefully it comes through and we can figure things out.

    This only just came through - another reason for me to add more peers! Discussions are underway.

    Thanks,
    Nigel




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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to sysop@endofthelinebbs.com on Mon Nov 1 23:07:14 2021
    In article <20211101175731.57f4605d@wibble.sysadmininc.com>,
    Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 00:19:15 -0600
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

    On 10/26/21 4:53 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:
    I have done. Let me know if you don't get it (or a response from me
    in a reasonable time). my BBS email can be a little finicky at
    time.

    I've not received an email from you yet. I just sent you a new
    email. Hopefully it comes through and we can figure things out.

    This only just came through - another reason for me to add more peers! >Discussions are underway.

    Thanks,
    Nigel



    Always happy to peer.

    All right using exim with Inn,

    Suggestion

    Move our sendmail to say sendmail.orig

    Then symbolically link your sendmail to your eim executable.



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