Arch is Debian. Goal is to set up inn to serve some local groups and to
feed with other nntp hosts with a few text groups.
When I try to apt-get install inn or inn2 the package manager wants to
pull down and install exim4. Why does inn need exim packages?
711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> writes:
Arch is Debian. Goal is to set up inn to serve some local groups and to
feed with other nntp hosts with a few text groups.
When I try to apt-get install inn or inn2 the package manager wants to
pull down and install exim4. Why does inn need exim packages?
INN needs a way to send mail (something providing mail-transport-agent).
exim is just the Debian default. You can pick any other package that provides mail-transport-agent (apt-cache search mail-transport-agent may help).
On 10/22/21 11:41 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
INN needs a way to send mail (something providing
mail-transport-agent). exim is just the Debian default. You can pick
any other package that provides mail-transport-agent (apt-cache search
mail-transport-agent may help).
Debian dpkg does not give me a choice. It requires the exim4 packages.
And why does inn need to send mail?
(It has to be able to send mail to submit posts to moderated newsgroups,
and also by default to send you nightly reports.)
And why does inn need to send mail?
I thought the nntp servers were supposed to exchange control messages
and feeds only at static IP addresses.
On 10/22/21 10:51 PM, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
And why does inn need to send mail?
I'll argue that INN itself doesn't /need/ an MTA. The INN /package/ on Debian apparently is configured to require an MTA, even if the
newsmaster will never utilize said MTA. To me that's the fault of the package maintainer's decisions.
I thought the nntp servers were supposed to exchange control messages
and feeds only at static IP addresses.
It can use names which are resolved to IPs as well as UUCP. Neither of which require static IPs.
711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> writes:
On 10/22/21 11:41 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
INN needs a way to send mail (something providing
mail-transport-agent). exim is just the Debian default. You can pick
any other package that provides mail-transport-agent (apt-cache search
mail-transport-agent may help).
Debian dpkg does not give me a choice. It requires the exim4 packages.
Install a different package that provides mail-transport-agent first (or
at the same time) and then it won't do that. The inn2 package depends on default-mta | mail-transport-agent, so if the dependency isn't already satisfied, it installs default-mta, which is exim4 on Debian.
And why does inn need to send mail?
(It has to be able to send mail to submit posts to moderated newsgroups, >>> and also by default to send you nightly reports.)
Agreed. Bloat is bad.
I see. Do some sysops require a static IP before they will agree to
sync? I presume some just care about the FQDN, then?
I see. Do some sysops require a static IP before they will agree toI thought the nntp servers were supposed to exchange control messagesIt can use names which are resolved to IPs as well as UUCP. Neither of
and feeds only at static IP addresses.
which require static IPs.
sync? I presume some just care about the FQDN, then?
Arch is Debian. Goal is to set up inn to serve some local
groups and to feed with other nntp hosts with a few text
groups.
How may I proceed to install and set up inn without [exim]?
As an alternative would there be some other nntp server that
fits my requirements, that does not require studying for a new
virtual degree just to install it?
Ah, I think dma or some other barebones mta with a config to locked down
to localhost will be ok.
They still shouldn't have a require in the dpkg manifest. It should just
be in suggests.
Hi,
Am 23.10.2021 um 08:35 schrieb 711 Spooky Mart:
For peerings using the NNTP protocol people usually require static aI thought the nntp servers were supposed to exchange control
messages and feeds only at static IP addresses.
IP. An NNTP peering with a dynamic IP can become unstable if the
address changes.
Peerings using the UUCP protocol works well with dynamic IP
addresses, so this is usually the better choice when dynamic IPs are involved.
Now, whenever my IP changes, my router instantly updates the DNS via
nsupdate and I have a short ttl on the domain name. Is that likely to be
an issue?
I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a learning process, again.
INN hangs on to peer IP addresses for incoming.conf forever. Best
practices (implemented by at least the Debian inn2 package and
probably others) is to periodically reload incoming.conf (such as
from cron) to pick up new IP addresses. Given that, you probably
won't have a problem, although it will vary by peer.
On 10/24/21 6:24 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:
I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a
learning process, again.
I was discussing in another group with a netizen who was posting to
Usenet via a BBS over Fidonet. He told me he was reading our Usenet
thread via a BBS. I think some are still syncing via UUCP. You might
find a couple of BBS sysops willing to sync up.
I still have to solve all of my problems with inn config for my
strange project requirements. Then I'll be in touch about syncing. I
have to make sure everything is perfect and tests out.
This issue has just come up for me. I've setup a new innd server and currently have one peer and I'd like to add a few more non-binary
peers (feel free to contact me), however my ipv4 is dynamic however my
ipv6 is static, but, of course, not everyone has ipv6.
Now, whenever my IP changes, my router instantly updates the DNS via
nsupdate and I have a short ttl on the domain name. Is that likely to
be an issue?
I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a learning process, again.
There's a couple of ways BBS's are using newsfeeds these days. One of
them is as a fido group that's propagated through the FTN method. This
is what I was using on my BBS until my uplink shut down his news
service account.
With Synchronet, the method I'll be using is to import newsgroups into
an echo group so members can read usenet just like any other echo
group. I dount any of them are using uucp and most of us that are
getting newsfeeds are probably using one of two other sysop's feeds
which is why I want to find some independent ones.
Can I install inn or inn2 without exim4? I really do not want this
mailer on my server as I already have dovecot set up and running and I
don't want to spend a month of Sundays learning the internals of exim.
711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
Can I install inn or inn2 without exim4? I really do not want this
mailer on my server as I already have dovecot set up and running and I
don't want to spend a month of Sundays learning the internals of exim.
Ok, I found the original article. Three options.
1. Install inn from source and not have to deal with any of that. Plus
you get the latest and greatest.
2. Make use of the equivs package, which will basically allow you to
create dummy packages that will satisfy a dependency.
3. Get the package, uncompress it, remove the dependency and then
repack it and install. Someone with a similar issue with exim asked
this question almost 11 years ago if you point your browser here: https://serverfault.com/questions/250224/how-do-i-get-apt-get-to-ignore-some-dependencies
Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:
INN hangs on to peer IP addresses for incoming.conf forever. Best
practices (implemented by at least the Debian inn2 package and
probably others) is to periodically reload incoming.conf (such as
from cron) to pick up new IP addresses. Given that, you probably
won't have a problem, although it will vary by peer.
Ah, if it's cached that it will eventually be an issue. My ip only
changes after an extended outage, but it could still happen at any
time. I doubt any news admin is going to want to make changes to
accommodate me. As I said, my ipv6 is static so I can, and do right
now, peer with ipv6 enabled sites.
I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a learning process, again.
In case you set up a UUCP feed, you can have a look at the
instructions in the "Setting up UUCP feeds" section here:
https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/send-uucp.html
In case you see any improvements to add to that documentation, do not hesitate to tell.
Send me an email directly. I'd be happy to peer with you.
I'm good with IPv6, dynamic IPv4, and UUCP. Whatever works best.
Now, whenever my IP changes, my router instantly updates the DNS via nsupdate and I have a short ttl on the domain name. Is that likely
to be an issue?
It may mean that INN ends up trying to connect to an old IP until
it's kicked in the bits (HUPed / restarted). But if you can live
with at worst a "hey ... hulp ..." type email on occasion, then I
think things can work.
I'd be happy to setup uucp but does anyone use it any more? It's
probably 30 years since I last tinkered with is, so it'll be a
learning process, again.
I've got UUCP on my transit news server. I'd be happy to set that up.
I have done. Let me know if you don't get it (or a response from me
in a reasonable time). my BBS email can be a little finicky at time.
On 10/26/21 4:53 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:
I have done. Let me know if you don't get it (or a response from me
in a reasonable time). my BBS email can be a little finicky at
time.
I've not received an email from you yet. I just sent you a new
email. Hopefully it comes through and we can figure things out.
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 00:19:15 -0600
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
On 10/26/21 4:53 PM, Nigel Reed wrote:
I have done. Let me know if you don't get it (or a response from me
in a reasonable time). my BBS email can be a little finicky at
time.
I've not received an email from you yet. I just sent you a new
email. Hopefully it comes through and we can figure things out.
This only just came through - another reason for me to add more peers! >Discussions are underway.
Thanks,
Nigel
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