The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning <zerda@umbrellix.net> top-posted:
Understand that we don't believe we would necessarily fail.
Instead, the values of this network do not and cannot align with my
values.
This is why I am demotivated. The technical challenge is surmountable,
almost easy, in my estimation. I recommend everyone give it a go, at
least to start a private, non-Usenet NNTP forum. The social challenge
makes me wonder if I should not instead try to come to command an army
and destroy the entire network, collateral damage be damned.
When I come across Usenet admins, they cannot clearly say that they
will ban and filter anyone they come across committing harassment, nor
that they will institute a code of conduct which is actively
antifascist, because the values of the network are not actively
antifascist and in fact tend towards calling antifascists whiners.
[...]
You appear to be advocating censorship. Usenet is a rare bastion of
free speech. All shades of opinion are given equal weight in the court
of its readership, including those opinions that some do not like. This
is in the nature of debate. Valid arguments will win debates, others
will fail.
That said, this subthread is, partially by my hand (or should I say 'paw'?
I am a dragon, after all...) becoming offtopic for this newsgroup. If
someone here might, in good faith, suggest another newsgroup to xpost to
and set as a singular FU-To:, I'd most appreciate that, and I suspect
anyone setting up or developing NNTP software would, as well.
news.tilde.club tilde.meta:407 or <87ttke2rbj.fsf@example.com>
The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning <zerda@umbrellix.net> wrote:
I am, in fact, advocating censorship. [...]
Disgraceful. You and I have nothing to discuss.
I note that you have silently altered the Subject to:
"[OFFTOPIC] Censorship is good, actually. If you don't like that fact,
maybe you should commit some client-side censorship, otherwise
known as the killfile."
Good advice indeed, troll.
The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning <zerda@umbrellix.net> wrote:
I am, in fact, advocating censorship. [...]Disgraceful. You and I have nothing to discuss.
There was something about good money being displaced by bad, and
while it does not apply to bullion money for various reasons, it does
apply to debates. Bad arguments displace good arguments when both are
given equal, rather than due, weight, because they are propounded
more insistently (have you ever seen Alex Jones?), and I've seen this
time and time again. This is why moderation is needed when there are arguments - to flag up obvious bad arguments and bad ways of arguing,
and ensure that bad arguments cannot displace good
I find it hard to believe that genuine new users of Usenet might
sincerely hold such regressive, trollish views. If "cancel culture"
takes root in Usenet one might as well be on Twitter.
On 21.04.2024 um 09:45 Uhr Sn!pe wrote:
I find it hard to believe that genuine new users of Usenet might
sincerely hold such regressive, trollish views. If "cancel culture"
takes root in Usenet one might as well be on Twitter.
In my age group (Gen Z), such views are widespread.
Marco Moock wrote:
On 21.04.2024 um 09:45 Uhr Sn!pe wrote:
I find it hard to believe that genuine new users of Usenet might
sincerely hold such regressive, trollish views. If "cancel
culture" takes root in Usenet one might as well be on Twitter.
In my age group (Gen Z), such views are widespread.
I've noticed that. The acceptance that a person would want someone
else to decide for them what they can and can not read seems so
foreign to me.
Is it fear of alternative views?
What do you feel is the main reason some people want views they
disagree with to be removed from society?
On 21.04.2024 um 10:56 Uhr Retro Guy wrote:
Marco Moock wrote:
On 21.04.2024 um 09:45 Uhr Sn!pe wrote:
I find it hard to believe that genuine new users of Usenet might
sincerely hold such regressive, trollish views. If "cancel
culture" takes root in Usenet one might as well be on Twitter.
In my age group (Gen Z), such views are widespread.
I've noticed that. The acceptance that a person would want someone
else to decide for them what they can and can not read seems so
foreign to me.
For me too, but many of them have exactly that.
Is it fear of alternative views?
Sometimes, because they fear of racism, right-wing content etc.
What do you feel is the main reason some people want views they
disagree with to be removed from society?
Control over the debate. In some people's "worlds" opinion too far
from their own must not exist.
Some people I know have a huge problem when they are in a debate and
people have a completely contrary opinion about a certain topic,
especially in politics.
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
On 21.04.2024 um 09:45 Uhr Sn!pe wrote:
I find it hard to believe that genuine new users of Usenet might
sincerely hold such regressive, trollish views. If "cancel culture"
takes root in Usenet one might as well be on Twitter.
In my age group (Gen Z), such views are widespread.
"I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend
to the death your right to say it." -- ascribed to Voltaire
If you don't like that fact,
maybe you should commit some client-side censorship, otherwise
known as the killfile."
. . .
Why did you not tell this to neo-Nazi server administrators who were
crying about Google spam until they destroyed it completely.
You are a faceless swine who should be executed by Israel's elite forces
so that scum-bag like you don't exist on this planet. They are currently >killing innocent Palestinians but they should use their American donated >bombs to kill people like you. Israel has killed nearly 40,000
Palestinians in 6 months while it took Haitians 23 years to kill 32,000.
We have names for Haiti regime but we dare say anything about Israel. A
small country like Israel has more power to destroy anybody who
criticises them. They have got license to kill Muslims all over the world.
Mother fuckers should be dealt with by Allah.
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