• Still active NoCeM senders

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 23 13:26:13 2021
    Hi all,

    Nowadays, are there other NoCeM senders than Aioe and Bleachbot?

    I also saw in 2020 a few notices from Uni-Berlin.DE
    http://news.individual.net/key.php

    though not listed in the "official" registry in
    https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/nocemreg.html

    I'll add it into the default nocem.ctl configuration file for INN with a
    link to the relevant page in Individual.NET.


    I'm just asking because it seems that current issuers are all using
    modern PGP keys, so the advice of using old GnuPG 1.x seems no longer
    relevant in documentation to set up NoCeM.
    Better simplify the installation :-)


    P.-S.: Maybe Tim (pgpmoose@killfile) might still send NoCeM issues, as
    well as Motzarella/Eternal-September, though not recently seen. Anyway,
    their PGP keys are modern.

    The only question would be for Adri (nl-cancel@a3.xs4all) whose key is
    still a PGP-2 key, now unsupported in modern versions of GnuPG.
    Does anyone know whether he would still send NoCeM notices?

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 23 19:34:31 2021
    Hi all,

    in the "official" registry in
      https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/nocemreg.html

    As the registry is no longer maintained, what would you think of
    re-copying elsewhere and updating the useful information it contains?

    I have of course a simple suggestion of using the Wiki provided by
    Github as part of the INN project. Unless a better space exists?
    (There is no central web site for Usenet...)
    Or a mere FAQ monthly posted to a few newsgroups (to determine) of the
    news.* hierarchy?

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

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    On 23/09/2021 18:34, Julien ÉLIE wrote:
    Hi all,

    in the "official" registry in
       https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/nocemreg.html

    As the registry is no longer maintained, what would you think of
    re-copying elsewhere and updating the useful information it contains?


    Just download the entire site and put it on <https://firebase.google.com/docs/hosting>. It's a free service and you
    can use a custom domain or custom sub-domain. Let me know if you want
    help on that. I can create a site for you but users here need to make suggestions as to what goes into it.


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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid on Thu Sep 23 21:52:40 2021
    On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:26:13 +0200
    Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:

    Hi all,

    Nowadays, are there other NoCeM senders than Aioe and Bleachbot?

    I issue NoCeM messages covering the rocksolid.* hierarchy. I only post
    them to rocksolid.spam, as I initially set it up to keep my own sites
    clean. If others wish to act on the messages, feel free to do so.

    https://news.novabbs.com/hierarchy/nocem.txt

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid on Sat Sep 25 12:17:10 2021
    Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> writes:

    I have of course a simple suggestion of using the Wiki provided by
    Github as part of the INN project. Unless a better space exists? (There
    is no central web site for Usenet...)

    Using GitHub Pages for this sort of thing is very easy and has the
    advantage of being easily portable to some other site should something
    happen to GitHub, since the underlying source is just a repository of
    Markdown files. It also makes it easy to add more maintainers and hand
    over maintenance as necessary. Then updates can be easily accepted from
    anyone via pull requests.

    My suggestion (and this is probably what you were already planning) would
    be to create a separate repository under the InterNetNews organization in GitHub. (This does tie it to the InterNetNews name even though it's
    arguably more general, but oh well.) If you created a repository named
    wiki, the resulting generated web page via GitHub Pages would be <https://internetnews.github.io/wiki/>, which sounds reasonable.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

    Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 09:37:33 2021
    Hi Good Guy,

    in the "official" registry in
    https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/nocemreg.html

    As the registry is no longer maintained, what would you think of
    re-copying elsewhere and updating the useful information it contains?

    Just download the entire site and put it on <https://firebase.google.com/docs/hosting>. It's a free service and you
    can use a custom domain or custom sub-domain. Let me know if you want
    help on that. I can create a site for you but users here need to make suggestions as to what goes into it.

    Thanks for the suggestion and your proposal of help. Yet I would prefer
    not to depend on another service provider than what we already have.


    Windows-10: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-10>
    Windows-8: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-8>
    Windows-7: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.windows7.general>
    Windows XP: <news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
    Windows-XP: <news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
    Firefox: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.firefox>
    Thunderbird: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.thunderbird>

    alt.comp.os.windows-11 can be added to your signature :-)
    It was added last week to freenews.netfront.net.

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    Julien ÉLIE

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    meaning than words. »

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 09:48:07 2021
    Hi Retro Guy,
    Nowadays, are there other NoCeM senders than Aioe and Bleachbot?

    I issue NoCeM messages covering the rocksolid.* hierarchy. I only post
    them to rocksolid.spam, as I initially set it up to keep my own sites
    clean. If others wish to act on the messages, feel free to do so.

    https://news.novabbs.com/hierarchy/nocem.txt

    Thanks for the pointer.
    Do you have an entry like what is present in
    https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/nocemreg.html
    ?
    Especially: Name, Policy Statement, E-mail, Issuer, Type, Criteria,
    Scope, FAQ/Charter

    Explanation about these fields is here:
    https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/reghelp.html

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Avoir un sale caractère n'empêche pas d'être ponctuel : on peut être
    râleur et être à l'heure. » (Philippe Geluck)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 14:22:53 2021
    Hi all,

    in the "official" registry in
       https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/nocemreg.html

    As the registry is no longer maintained, what would you think of
    re-copying elsewhere and updating the useful information it contains?

    Rosalind just answered me that she was going to update the registry!
    Good news :-)

    I had not expected that because I (and it seems others in the past too)
    did not previously receive answers.
    I wrote her to ask a last time.

    So we can postpone the change of maintainer for the registry.

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 14:39:56 2021
    Hi all,

    The only question would be for Adri (nl-cancel@a3.xs4all) whose key is
    still a PGP-2 key, now unsupported in modern versions of GnuPG.
    Does anyone know whether he would still send NoCeM notices?

    Another good news! I've just received an answer from Adri (from another
    e-mail I found, thanks Google!).
    He confirms he won't be sending any NoCeM notices any more.

    So normally Rosalind will remove his entry from the Registry next month.
    And I'll also remove from the perl-nocem documentation the wording that
    using an old gpg1 implementation is needed. All the current issuers
    have modern keys, so we're good with both GnuPG 1.x and 2.x.

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Non licet omnibus adire Corinthum. » (proverbe issu du grec)

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid on Tue Sep 28 09:26:00 2021
    Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> writes:

    So maybe we could create <https://internetnews.github.io/usenet/>
    (instead of "wiki", so that it hints at a wider scope than InterNetNews)
    and then as you suggest activate GitHub Pages to publish from it.

    Works for me!

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

    Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
    <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid on Tue Sep 28 16:25:23 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:48:07 +0200
    Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:

    Hi Retro Guy,
    Nowadays, are there other NoCeM senders than Aioe and Bleachbot?

    I issue NoCeM messages covering the rocksolid.* hierarchy. I only post
    them to rocksolid.spam, as I initially set it up to keep my own sites clean. If others wish to act on the messages, feel free to do so.

    https://news.novabbs.com/hierarchy/nocem.txt

    Thanks for the pointer.
    Do you have an entry like what is present in
    https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/nocemreg.html

    I'll work on this soon, thanks for the links.
    Where is the proper place to send this info once I have compiled it?
    Would it be to Rosalind?

    Retro Guy

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 22:06:28 2021
    Hi Retro,
    Do you have an entry like what is present in
    https://rosalind.home.xs4all.nl/nocemreg/nocemreg.html

    I'll work on this soon, thanks for the links.
    Where is the proper place to send this info once I have compiled it?
    Would it be to Rosalind?

    Yes, her mail is valid, at the top of the page.

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « Non licet omnibus adire Corinthum. » (proverbe issu du grec)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 17 11:32:09 2021
    Hi all,

    The only question would be for Adri (nl-cancel@a3.xs4all) whose key is
    still a PGP-2 key, now unsupported in modern versions of GnuPG.
    Does anyone know whether he would still send NoCeM notices?

    Another good news!  I've just received an answer from Adri (from another e-mail I found, thanks Google!).
    He confirms he won't be sending any NoCeM notices any more.

    So normally Rosalind will remove his entry from the Registry next month.
    And I'll also remove from the perl-nocem documentation the wording that
    using an old gpg1 implementation is needed.  All the current issuers
    have modern keys, so we're good with both GnuPG 1.x and 2.x.

    FYI, the nocem.ctl configuration file for INN is up-to-date:
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/InterNetNews/inn/main/samples/nocem.ctl

    And we no longer need gpg1 (GnuPG 1.x) to process NoCeM notices.

    Now waiting for the PGP keys of still active hierarchy administrators to
    be modernized :-)
    We'll then be all good for only using recent versions of GnuPG.

    --
    Julien ÉLIE

    « C'est une forêt vierge où la main de l'homme n'a jamais mis le pied. »

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 17 21:44:09 2021
    Op 28-9-2021 om 9:37 schreef Julien ÉLIE:
    Hi Russ,

    I have of course a simple suggestion of using the Wiki provided by
    Github as part of the INN project.  Unless a better space exists? (There >>> is no central web site for Usenet...)

    Using GitHub Pages for this sort of thing is very easy and has the
    advantage of being easily portable to some other site should something
    happen to GitHub, since the underlying source is just a repository of
    Markdown files.  It also makes it easy to add more maintainers and hand
    over maintenance as necessary.  Then updates can be easily accepted from
    anyone via pull requests.

    My suggestion (and this is probably what you were already planning) would
    be to create a separate repository under the InterNetNews organization in
    GitHub.  (This does tie it to the InterNetNews name even though it's
    arguably more general, but oh well.)  If you created a repository named
    wiki, the resulting generated web page via GitHub Pages would be
    <https://internetnews.github.io/wiki/>, which sounds reasonable.


    https://internetnews.github.io/wiki/

    404
    There isn't a GitHub Pages site here.


    same for:
    https://internetnews.github.io/



    It was not what I had in mind (using the simple Wiki feature inside for instance a new "usenet" repository, in the Wiki tab like we have Issues,
    Pull requests, etc.) but yes thanks for recalling the GitHub Pages facility.  It would indeed be more efficient.

    So maybe we could create <https://internetnews.github.io/usenet/>
    (instead of "wiki", so that it hints at a wider scope than InterNetNews)
    and then as you suggest activate GitHub Pages to publish from it.


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