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    From U.ee@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 11 01:29:23 2020
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    Hello!


    I am still struggling with massive node count, cairo don't like it.
    In moment there should be ca 600 nodes, down from previous 8000 something. http://usenet.ee/maps/graph-n-cleaned-20200408.png

    PDF version has little bit more stuff going on, lower half has fido cluster. http://usenet.ee/maps/graph3-n-20200408.pdf

    I have lot of ideas, but not enough time :)

    Best regards
    U.ee

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  • From yamo'@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 11 09:38:28 2020
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    Hi,

    U.ee a tapoté le 11/04/2020 00:29:
    Hello!


    I am still struggling with massive node count, cairo don't like it.
    In moment there should be ca 600 nodes, down from previous 8000 something. http://usenet.ee/maps/graph-n-cleaned-20200408.png

    PDF version has little bit more stuff going on, lower half has fido cluster. http://usenet.ee/maps/graph3-n-20200408.pdf

    I have lot of ideas, but not enough time :)

    Best regards
    U.ee

    Great job!


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    Stéphane

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to yamo@groumpf.org on Sat Apr 11 12:41:57 2020
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    In article <r6rs5k$2dk$2@nemo.pasdenom.info>, yamo' <yamo@groumpf.org> wrote: >Hi,

    U.ee a tapoté le 11/04/2020 00:29:
    Hello!


    I am still struggling with massive node count, cairo don't like it.
    In moment there should be ca 600 nodes, down from previous 8000 something. >> http://usenet.ee/maps/graph-n-cleaned-20200408.png

    PDF version has little bit more stuff going on, lower half has fido cluster. >> http://usenet.ee/maps/graph3-n-20200408.pdf

    I have lot of ideas, but not enough time :)

    Best regards
    U.ee

    Great job!


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    Well done. I need to see if news.nk.ca is correctly represented.
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  • From Neodome Admin@21:1/5 to U.ee on Wed Apr 15 00:21:24 2020
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    U.ee <admin@invalid.usenet.ee> wrote:

    PDF version has little bit more stuff going on, lower half has fido cluster. http://usenet.ee/maps/graph3-n-20200408.pdf

    I’m surprised to see that Fido have only one gateway to Usenet.

    I have lot of ideas, but not enough time :)

    Good work, thank you. Definitely was interesting to take a look. Are you planning to make these maps regularly, using a script?

    When you’re generating a map, are you also using articles rejected by cleanfeed or only the ones that are going to be stored on the server?

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  • From U.ee@21:1/5 to Neodome Admin on Wed Apr 15 19:18:47 2020
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    Guten Tag!

    On 15.04.20 03:21, Neodome Admin wrote:
    U.ee <admin@invalid.usenet.ee> wrote:

    PDF version has little bit more stuff going on, lower half has fido cluster. >> http://usenet.ee/maps/graph3-n-20200408.pdf

    I’m surprised to see that Fido have only one gateway to Usenet.

    There are two paths, put seems that one got filtered out. They map fido
    part differently though.
    Gateways seem to be ddt.demos.su and news.dewy.ru.


    I have lot of ideas, but not enough time :)

    Good work, thank you. Definitely was interesting to take a look. Are you planning to make these maps regularly, using a script?

    Thanks! I thought that (regular and automated maps), when I started.
    Now, seems that there is few challenges, map visual optimization for
    example. There are tools I haven't yet explored. Julien pointed out few
    tools to collecting/modifying data, so maybe those help with less IO
    intensive data manipulation.


    When you’re generating a map, are you also using articles rejected by cleanfeed or only the ones that are going to be stored on the server?


    Using only stored articles. I did little comparison and indeed: some
    sites are indeed only represented in cleanfeed rejected feed.
    I don't know right now, what to do with them, probably should be
    included next time.
    Then again, my mai problem is huge node count, usenet is too big :)


    Best regards and thanks for writing!
    U.ee

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  • From Neodome Admin@21:1/5 to U.ee on Thu Apr 16 00:24:50 2020
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    U.ee <admin@invalid.usenet.ee> wrote:

    Using only stored articles. I did little comparison and indeed: some
    sites are indeed only represented in cleanfeed rejected feed.
    I don't know right now, what to do with them, probably should be
    included next time.

    There’s a similar project, Top1000. Not sure if you are aware of it.

    <http://top1000.anthologeek.net>

    It collects data from participants and tries to create a graph of Usenet distribution per site.

    It’s interesting that I see some sites in your data that don’t appear in their lists. I participate in that project and I remember seeing sites
    popping up with only one or two messages sent from them. Perhaps some
    glitch.

    Then again, my mai problem is huge node count, usenet is too big :)

    Just need more collaboration between sites to be able to fold bunch of
    nodes in one. Many of them are actually virtual nodes, i.e. just another
    names for the same server.

    When you’re trying to create more readable map, is it possible to change
    the thickness of connecting lines representing approximate amount of
    articles flowing from one site to another?

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  • From U.ee@21:1/5 to Neodome Admin on Fri Apr 17 19:09:56 2020
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    On 16.04.20 03:24, Neodome Admin wrote:
    U.ee <admin@invalid.usenet.ee> wrote:

    Using only stored articles. I did little comparison and indeed: some
    sites are indeed only represented in cleanfeed rejected feed.
    I don't know right now, what to do with them, probably should be
    included next time.

    There’s a similar project, Top1000. Not sure if you are aware of it.

    <http://top1000.anthologeek.net>

    It collects data from participants and tries to create a graph of Usenet distribution per site.

    It is well known project, put I don't think there is overlapping.



    It’s interesting that I see some sites in your data that don’t appear in their lists. I participate in that project and I remember seeing sites popping up with only one or two messages sent from them. Perhaps some
    glitch.

    Then again, my mai problem is huge node count, usenet is too big :)

    Just need more collaboration between sites to be able to fold bunch of
    nodes in one. Many of them are actually virtual nodes, i.e. just another names for the same server.

    If you follow some earlier messages, we had discussion with Grant Taylor
    about that.



    When you’re trying to create more readable map, is it possible to change the thickness of connecting lines representing approximate amount of
    articles flowing from one site to another?

    That is interesting idea, but that is place, where Top1000 should be
    relevant:)
    I am afraid that this isn't viable with only one collecting site.
    With peering relations, things are easier: I see one path containing
    specific relations and that is good enough, even when 1000 other paths
    are different.
    With article count though, things are heavily depending on my peering relations.
    I can't use top1000 public data either, they show generic article count
    per site, there isn't peering information.



    Best regards
    U.ee

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Julien_=c3=89LIE?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 19 09:09:19 2020
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    Hi all,

    There’s a similar project, Top1000. Not sure if you are aware of it.

    <http://top1000.anthologeek.net>

    It collects data from participants and tries to create a graph of Usenet distribution per site.

    Only 85 participants in March 2020...
    We used to be more than 300 in 2004-2010. Sigh.

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    le monde. Plaire à tout le monde, c'est plaire à n'importe qui. »
    (Sacha Guitry)

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