• misc.test.moderated

    From dale@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 18 14:33:47 2021
    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to dale on Thu Feb 18 21:16:36 2021
    dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work

    What the hell do you care? You don't run a News server supporting users.
    It's just an auto-responder service, not a discussion newsgroup.

    It allows a News administrator to test the configuration of his News
    server, that proto articles posted to moderated newsgroups aren't
    injected into Usenet but mailed to the moderated posting address.

    It was likely never necessary, but there were some complaints at the
    time. Really the News administrator could have simply paid attention to
    posting into an existing moderated group, or just tested with
    alt.dev.null to verify that proto articles aren't being injected.

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  • From Owen Rees@21:1/5 to dale on Thu Feb 18 23:45:14 2021
    On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 14:33:47 -0500, dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote in <dsj4vt.8j1.17.1@news.alt.net>:

    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    What kind of test are you thinking of? I cannot think of any useful
    tests of moderated groups that could be done by posting to a test group
    run by someone else using unknown machinery.

    If you want to do some work on moderation machinery you need to set up
    your own test environment.


    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work

    My local instance in my virtual host with my own news server and
    moderation machinery works just fine in its self contained environment,
    along with as many other moderated local groups as I need to explore how
    the machinery behaves.

    The public misc.test.moderated does what it does but is not very
    interesting to most people. There are other test moderated groups if you
    look for them but they are not very interesting either.

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to dale on Fri Feb 19 11:38:23 2021
    On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 14:33:47 -0500, dale wrote:

    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work

    Hi Dale,

    Moderation requires a moderator. Right now there's no one who is doing
    that. That's the case for many dead moderated groups. We (B8MB) are open
    to changing moderation on groups to a new moderator but first we need to
    know that the person/group who wants to moderate is able to do so.

    Russ Allbery has a great article: Pitfalls of Newsgroup Moderation
    that is a great place to begin if someone is interested in taking over a moderated group.

    https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Fri Feb 19 15:19:04 2021
    Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 14:33:47 -0500, dale wrote:

    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work

    Hi Dale,

    Moderation requires a moderator. Right now there's no one who is doing
    that. That's the case for many dead moderated groups. We (B8MB) are open
    to changing moderation on groups to a new moderator but first we need to
    know that the person/group who wants to moderate is able to do so.

    Russ Allbery has a great article: Pitfalls of Newsgroup Moderation
    that is a great place to begin if someone is interested in taking over a >moderated group.

    https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html

    misc.test.moderated wasn't a discussion group; Russ's FAQ is irrelevant.
    Its purpose was to test a News server to see if proto articles posted to moderated newsgroups were routed into email. The original moderator
    merely set up an autoresponder.

    The newsgroup was truly never needed to begin with, but my recollection
    is that there were complaints by a number of people that such a test
    newsgroup was necessary. As one of the O.P.'s said in followup in this
    very thread, a new News server could be put into a test environment to
    verify that routing was correct.

    This is one newsgroup without an audience that never truly served a
    unique and useful purpose with respect to setting up a new News server
    that no one will object to if you made a decision on replacing the
    moderator or rmgrouping it.

    dale isn't operating a News server and doesn't personally require this newsgroup.

    We've already had a much longer discussion about this group than it's
    worth. Just decide what you're going to do about it.

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 19 17:36:12 2021
    Op 18-2-2021 om 20:33 schreef dale:
    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work




    The only reason why you want such a newsgroup is to test the moderator......

    That's what we call here "werkverschaffing".
    I do not know a good English word for this, but it is explained by:
    useless work.

    Rink

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  • From Todd Michel McComb@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri Feb 19 16:58:19 2021
    In article <s0okt8$a9b$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >We've already had a much longer discussion about this group than
    it's worth. Just decide what you're going to do about it.

    But you're posting the wrong rant.

    The group does work.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Todd Michel McComb on Fri Feb 19 22:11:54 2021
    Todd Michel McComb <mccomb@medieval.org> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    We've already had a much longer discussion about this group than
    it's worth. Just decide what you're going to do about it.

    But you're posting the wrong rant.

    The group does work.

    Take it up with Jason Evans. Was I not to believe his statement, "Right
    now there's no one who is doing that," that there's a moderator vacancy?
    He's the hierarchy administrator, not I. I assumed he knew what he was
    talking about.

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mr_=D6n!on?=@21:1/5 to dale on Fri Feb 19 22:36:48 2021
    dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work


    Nice troll.

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Fri Feb 19 17:55:48 2021
    On 2/19/2021 6:38 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 14:33:47 -0500, dale wrote:

    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work

    Hi Dale,

    Moderation requires a moderator. Right now there's no one who is doing
    that. That's the case for many dead moderated groups. We (B8MB) are open
    to changing moderation on groups to a new moderator but first we need to
    know that the person/group who wants to moderate is able to do so.

    Russ Allbery has a great article: Pitfalls of Newsgroup Moderation
    that is a great place to begin if someone is interested in taking over a moderated group.

    https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html


    Thank You Jason!

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    Minister Dale Kelly, Ph.D. ->
    Universalist <-> Mystic <-> Medium

    https://www.dalekelly.org/

    Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner
    Board Certified Alternative Medical Practitioner

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  • From Todd Michel McComb@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri Feb 19 22:16:02 2021
    In article <s0pd3a$ksh$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >Take it up with Jason Evans. Was I not to believe his statement,
    "Right now there's no one who is doing that," that there's a
    moderator vacancy? He's the hierarchy administrator, not I. I
    assumed he knew what he was talking about.

    Ha, well, you were the first person to reply, you know....

    Many of your posts are on point, but you sure seemed eager to dismiss
    something we can easily have working.... Now, when you say that
    having good posters is the important part of creating a group,
    there's a lot less I can do other than agree....

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Todd Michel McComb on Sat Feb 20 00:04:21 2021
    Todd Michel McComb <mccomb@medieval.org> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Take it up with Jason Evans. Was I not to believe his statement,
    "Right now there's no one who is doing that," that there's a
    moderator vacancy? He's the hierarchy administrator, not I. I
    assumed he knew what he was talking about.

    Ha, well, you were the first person to reply, you know....

    Many of your posts are on point, but you sure seemed eager to dismiss >something we can easily have working....

    I'm in favor of fixing things. Thank you.

    Now, when you say that
    having good posters is the important part of creating a group,
    there's a lot less I can do other than agree....

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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat Feb 20 10:29:38 2021
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    Would be nice to have a test moderated group that functioned?

    misc.test.moderated ...

    doesn't seem to work

    You can try de.alt.test.moderated if you want. (The German language
    requirement will be no problem for a test newsgroup.)

    Submissions are gated to a mailing list, and there was a moderation
    bot (until albasani.net dropped out).

    It allows a News administrator to test the configuration of his News
    server, that proto articles posted to moderated newsgroups aren't
    injected into Usenet but mailed to the moderated posting address.

    There are more things you may want to test:

    - Can I post to a moderated group (as a moderator)?
    (Can my tools cope with them? Does signing work for "Approved"?)

    - What do postings look like when they are send to the moderator
    by mail?
    (Perhaps just curiosity, perhaps you want to test a moderation
    system?)

    - Does my moderation bot work?

    And you could test the "huhu" moderation bot or train moderators on
    its usage without the need of "test" post to a real moderated group.

    Of course you're right: none of that is _needed_ - you could just
    setup your own news server and test there. But it can be nice to have,
    and you can test with "real" live newsservers. (Most test post these
    days are not used to test propagation, but to test clients or client
    functions. You wouldn't need worldwide distributed test groups for
    that, a local group would do. But it's nice to have them, too.)

    -thh

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