• Moderator Wanted for news.newusers.questions

    From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 22 19:19:01 2022
    The former moderator of news.newusers.questions has reported to the Usenet Big-8 Management Board that this newsgroup is currently dead and there are
    no remaining moderators. This article is being posted to news.group to see
    if anyone is interested in taking over moderation duties for this group.
    The original charter for the group is below.

    If you have any questions about moderation or how moderation works, please reply to news.groups or email the board directly at board@big-8.org.

    Best Regards,

    Jason Evans Co-Chairperson,
    Big-8 Management Board

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/04/2022 20:19, Jason Evans wrote:<br>
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    cite="mid:pan$e6795$81a5ccac$43a5c700$ec0c7944@mailfence.com">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The former moderator of news.newusers.questions has reported to the Usenet
    Big-8 Management Board that this newsgroup is currently dead and there are
    no remaining moderators.



    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>Well then it is time to make the newsgroup completely open and
    free for all. There is absolutely no need for moderators on these
    newsgroups. Users can take care of their own news clients and
    create filters if they object to something they don't like. It is
    as simple as that. Rocket science this is!!<br>
    </p>
    <p>What do moderators do anyway. They are idiots and they don't have
    any consistency in their way of moderating. When their boy-friends
    reports something, they simply act on it and delete the posts
    without actually looking at the post before deleting it. This
    applies to server administrators as well but that's beside the
    point. No wonder the newsgroups are becoming dead at an
    exponential rate.</p>
    <p>You have also stopped running your own server because you are
    tired of all the non-sense imposed by your big-8 masters!.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="top">Arrest</div>
    <div class="bottom">Dictator Putin</div>
    <br>
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    <q>Similar to Windows 11 Home edition, Windows 11 Pro edition now
    requires internet connectivity during the initial device setup
    (OOBE) only. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA
    will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft
    Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights.</q><br>
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    <q> Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the
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  • From Steve Bonine@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Fri Apr 22 17:34:47 2022
    Jason Evans wrote:
    The former moderator of news.newusers.questions has reported to the Usenet Big-8 Management Board that this newsgroup is currently dead and there are
    no remaining moderators. This article is being posted to news.group to see
    if anyone is interested in taking over moderation duties for this group.

    The most recent article in news.newusers.questions is more than three
    years old. It would be useful to know whether that is because the
    moderation path has been broken for three years or because there are no
    new users with questions.

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to Steve Bonine on Sat Apr 23 06:16:27 2022
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 17:34:47 -0500, Steve Bonine wrote:

    The most recent article in news.newusers.questions is more than three
    years old. It would be useful to know whether that is because the
    moderation path has been broken for three years or because there are no
    new users with questions.

    It's because the former moderators retired and even if they wanted to
    moderate it again, they no longer have access to moderation software.

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/04/2022 23:34, Steve Bonine
    wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:t3vai9$nda$1@dont-email.me"><br>
    The most recent article in news.newusers.questions is more than
    three years old. It would be useful to know whether that is
    because the moderation path has been broken for three years or
    because there are no new users with questions. <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p>I posted a test message and it didn't appear at all; That's your
    stupid moderation policy. No wonder newsgroups are dying!!!!!!!
    Please note I never expected my posts to appear because I might
    have exposed their hypocrisies in these newsgroups so they have
    all kill-filed me.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Any ideas when is the funeral for these dead newsgroups?</p>
    <p><br>
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    <q>Similar to Windows 11 Home edition, Windows 11 Pro edition now
    requires internet connectivity during the initial device setup
    (OOBE) only. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA
    will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft
    Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights.</q><br>
    <br>
    <q> Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the
    end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning </q></div>
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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Sat Apr 30 15:15:32 2022
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 06:16:27 -0000 (UTC)
    Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 17:34:47 -0500, Steve Bonine wrote:

    The most recent article in news.newusers.questions is more than three
    years old. It would be useful to know whether that is because the moderation path has been broken for three years or because there are no
    new users with questions.

    It's because the former moderators retired and even if they wanted to moderate it again, they no longer have access to moderation software.

    I have seen before in "moderator wanted" threads the phrase that the previous moderators no longer have access to moderation software and I find it
    puzzling. Why can't they reinstall or redownload or whatever the software
    they were using in the past ? Any new moderator would also need to use moderation software so why is it that a new moderator can somehow gain access to such software but the old moderators are unable to do so ?

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Sun May 1 08:13:27 2022
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:15:32 -0000 (UTC), Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    I have seen before in "moderator wanted" threads the phrase that the
    previous moderators no longer have access to moderation software and I
    find it puzzling. Why can't they reinstall or redownload or whatever the software they were using in the past ? Any new moderator would also need
    to use moderation software so why is it that a new moderator can somehow
    gain access to such software but the old moderators are unable to do so
    ?

    Two reasons.

    The first simplest reason is that previously, you could pay for hosted moderation service and a lot of people used that. That service is no
    longer available, but the software[1] is still available.

    The second reason is because the software is clunky and rather difficult
    to setup but fairly easy to use once it is running. It assumes that you
    have some rather advanced Unix/Linux experience circa year 2000 to set up. Unix/Linux users today would still find it challenging without a fair
    amount of research.

    We need new moderation software that is both easy to setup and use and
    doesn't require advanced technical knowledge to get going.

    [1]
    STUMP:
    https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/stump/

    WebSTUMP (webgui frontend):
    https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/webstump/

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  • From Steve Bonine@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Sun May 1 09:06:41 2022
    Jason Evans wrote:

    We need new moderation software that is both easy to setup and use and doesn't require advanced technical knowledge to get going.

    Dream on. You cannot find people who are willing to invest the time to
    install existing software; who in their right mind would take on the
    project of creating new and improved software when there is no audience
    to use it?

    If you - the Board - really want to contribute something to Usenet, set
    up a moderation platform and make it available to anyone who is willing
    to take on the moderation of a dead newsgroup. The same platform can be
    used to moderate many newsgroups, and the incremental effort of adding a
    new group to the mix is tiny compared to the effort of creating the
    platform from scratch.

    The reality is that the method of moderation isn't the issue. In this
    specific case [news.newusers.questions] you're assuming that there are
    new users who would post questions to a newsgroup. That's a little like
    the classic "If you are having problems with email, send an email to
    ...". I have this mental image of the moderator of the newsgroup each
    day checking the queue and saying "Nope. No new users today."

    In the more general case, the chance of a newsgroup that has been dead
    for years reviving is tiny, even with the best of hardware/software
    support. The users are long gone and have found other means of
    discussing the topic of interest. Why would they return to Usenet?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Sun May 1 20:00:00 2022
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    On 01/05/2022 09:13, Jason Evans wrote:

    We need new moderation software that is both easy to setup and use and doesn't require advanced technical knowledge to get going.


    No we don't need any crap like that. What is needed is a complete new
    model for newsgroups where there is no moderation at all. Free Speech
    should be the order of the day as long as the speech has some connection
    with what is discussed in the newsgroup. There should not be any
    censorship and people should be allowed to display their knowledge on
    the topic discussed.

    The big-8 board needs to change dramatically and the junta currently
    running it replaced and some new talents brought in.

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/05/2022 09:13, Jason Evans wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:t4lff7$27u$1@dont-email.me"><br>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">We need new moderation software that is both easy to setup and use and
    doesn't require advanced technical knowledge to get going.

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>No we don't need any crap like that. What is needed is a complete
    new model for newsgroups where there is no moderation at all. Free
    Speech should be the order of the day as long as the speech has
    some connection with what is discussed in the newsgroup. There
    should not be any censorship and people should be allowed to
    display their knowledge on the topic discussed.</p>
    <p>The big-8 board needs to change dramatically and the junta
    currently running it replaced and some new talents brought in.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="top">Arrest</div>
    <div class="bottom">Dictator Putin</div>
    <br>
    <div class="top">We Stand</div>
    <div class="bottom">With Ukraine</div>
    <br>
    <div class="top border1">Stop Putin</div>
    <div class="bottom border">Ukraine Under Attack</div>
    <br>
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    <q>Similar to Windows 11 Home edition, Windows 11 Pro edition now
    requires internet connectivity during the initial device setup
    (OOBE) only. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA
    will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft
    Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights.</q><br>
    <br>
    <q> Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the
    end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning </q></div>
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  • From meff@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Mon May 2 09:08:13 2022
    On 2022-05-01, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:15:32 -0000 (UTC), Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    We need new moderation software that is both easy to setup and use and doesn't require advanced technical knowledge to get going.

    I would be willing to write moderation software but I'd like to
    understand if there's actually an audience for it. I see Usenet as
    pretty empty these days. Is there really a need to moderate newsgroups
    through software (e.g. organizations that would need it?) As it is
    most groups only have a few posts a day.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to meff on Tue May 3 16:43:26 2022
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    As it is most groups only have a few posts a day.

    You haven't seen anything on " news.lists.filters ". I am getting
    hundreds of crap messages from a French news server. Somebody has
    misconfigured their server and all rejected posts are directed to
    filters newsgroup. That is the sort of things Jason Evans should be
    dealing with. Not worry about moderation. He should contact the server
    admins so that they can deal with the problem.

    I am not even mentioning anything about neo-nazi server operation by a
    chap from banana republic and Mussolini chap who is blocking everything
    he can't handle!!. They have broken the newsgroups or contributed to deterioration of these newsgroups.

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    "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/05/2022 10:08, meff wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1cNbK.947717$aT3.532042@fx09.iad">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">As it is most groups only have a few posts a day.
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>You haven't seen anything on " news.lists.filters ". I am getting
    hundreds of crap messages from a French news server. Somebody has
    misconfigured their server and all rejected posts are directed to
    filters newsgroup. That is the sort of things Jason Evans should
    be dealing with. Not worry about moderation. He should contact the
    server admins so that they can deal with the problem.</p>
    <p>I am not even mentioning anything about neo-nazi server operation
    by a chap from banana republic and Mussolini chap who is blocking
    everything he can't handle!!. They have broken the newsgroups or
    contributed to deterioration of these newsgroups.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="top">Arrest</div>
    <div class="bottom">Dictator Putin</div>
    <br>
    <div class="top">We Stand</div>
    <div class="bottom">With Ukraine</div>
    <br>
    <div class="top border1">Stop Putin</div>
    <div class="bottom border">Ukraine Under Attack</div>
    <p><br>
    </p>
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    <q>Similar to Windows 11 Home edition, Windows 11 Pro edition now
    requires internet connectivity during the initial device setup
    (OOBE) only. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA
    will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft
    Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights.</q><br>
    <br>
    <q> Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the
    end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning </q></div>
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  • From Paul W. Schleck@21:1/5 to Steve Bonine on Thu May 19 13:14:00 2022
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    In <t4m45i$3rf$1@dont-email.me> Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> writes:

    Jason Evans wrote:

    We need new moderation software that is both easy to setup and use and
    doesn't require advanced technical knowledge to get going.

    Dream on. You cannot find people who are willing to invest the time to >install existing software; who in their right mind would take on the
    project of creating new and improved software when there is no audience
    to use it?

    If you - the Board - really want to contribute something to Usenet, set
    up a moderation platform and make it available to anyone who is willing
    to take on the moderation of a dead newsgroup. The same platform can be
    used to moderate many newsgroups, and the incremental effort of adding a
    new group to the mix is tiny compared to the effort of creating the
    platform from scratch.

    Instead of free, I would suggest a nominal annual fee, say between $1
    and $5. Services that support micropayments like these are easily
    available. The money raised would not be significant, but it would
    serve at least two purposes:

    1. It would be an "I am alive" beacon for the moderation team of a
    newsgroup. If the payments stop, the administrators of the moderation
    site can inquire about the status of the newsgroup, suspend moderation services, possibly refer the matter to a Moderator Vacancy Investigation
    (MVI) if there is no answer, or even a reply indicating that the
    newsgroup is permanently abandoned by the previous team.

    2. Steve and I appear to have at least two hobbies where the
    practitioners can be almost pathologically cheap (and lazy). No one is
    going to willingly part with money, however small, if they are not
    serious. It is almost inevitable human nature that just being given
    something for free will not be respected or appreciated. Not being able
    to afford even a nominal sum like this suggests that prospective
    moderators are either insufficiently motivated, or completely destitute,
    and would not be good candidates to moderate a newsgroup.

    Consider for example, the (almost) free Fuggerei housing in Augsburg,
    Germany. There is a nominal rent of less than 1 Euro per year, and
    residents are expected to make small contributions of time and labor to
    support the community.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/after-almost-500-years-german-utopia-is-still-going-strong-180973787/

    Residents also have to be Catholic, but an "orthodoxy" requirement of
    being supportive of Usenet in general would suffice here.

    - --
    Paul W. Schleck
    pschleck@panix.com

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