• Re: News group for the GO programming language pls

    From Steve Bonine@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 08:33:07 2022
    rek2 hispagatos wrote in news.groups.proposals:
    Hello, I'm back using and supporting USENET strong, but notice a lack of modern topics, I am glad gemini protocol got added, I enjoy it and check everyday, very excited, but when it comes to computer languages, I am
    active on C but is lacking GO, RUST etc... specially I am bias I will
    love a GO group where I share my finds and have conversations with other
    GO programmers specially if they are into cybersecurity.

    What does everyone think? I was reading: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup
    and it ask to start an "informal" discussion so here I am.

    Happy Hacking.

    The suggestion in the document you cite is "1. (optional) The proponent
    may start an informal discussion in news.groups.proposals, news.groups,
    and/or in related groups about the proposed group." Given the low participation in news.groups.proposals, I think you will get more
    comments here in news.groups. Even better would be a discussion in
    "related groups" that would demonstrate that there are actually people
    who are interested in the topic and would participate in a Usenet newsgroup.

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Mar 31 15:49:23 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:15:58 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
    rek2 hispagatos wrote in news.groups.proposals:

    Hello, I'm back using and supporting USENET strong, but notice a lack of >>modern topics, I am glad gemini protocol got added, I enjoy it and check >>everyday, very excited, but when it comes to computer languages, I am >>active on C but is lacking GO, RUST etc... specially I am bias I will >>love a GO group where I share my finds and have conversations with other >>GO programmers specially if they are into cybersecurity.

    What does everyone think? I was reading: >>https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup
    and it ask to start an "informal" discussion so here I am.

    Happy Hacking.

    The suggestion in the document you cite is "1. (optional) The proponent
    may start an informal discussion in news.groups.proposals, news.groups, >and/or in related groups about the proposed group." Given the low >participation in news.groups.proposals, I think you will get more
    comments here in news.groups. Even better would be a discussion in >"related groups" that would demonstrate that there are actually people
    who are interested in the topic and would participate in a Usenet newsgroup.

    What would be a related newsgroup ? comp.lang.misc perhaps ? But my experience is that there people tend to discuss custom made languages or general issues
    of language design rather than specific languages which do not have a dedicated comp.lang.* group.

    Even better would be the proponent making himself known for actually discussing the topic in an existing newsgroup in threads in which other people participate in discussing the topic.

    I have been reading comp* groups for many years. I don't remember Go ever being discussed. Perhaps there has been some passing reference which I've forgotten about. But the lack of discussion could simply be because there's
    no group for it.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Steve Bonine on Thu Mar 31 15:15:58 2022
    Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
    rek2 hispagatos wrote in news.groups.proposals:

    Hello, I'm back using and supporting USENET strong, but notice a lack of >>modern topics, I am glad gemini protocol got added, I enjoy it and check >>everyday, very excited, but when it comes to computer languages, I am >>active on C but is lacking GO, RUST etc... specially I am bias I will
    love a GO group where I share my finds and have conversations with other
    GO programmers specially if they are into cybersecurity.

    What does everyone think? I was reading: >>https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup
    and it ask to start an "informal" discussion so here I am.

    Happy Hacking.

    The suggestion in the document you cite is "1. (optional) The proponent
    may start an informal discussion in news.groups.proposals, news.groups, >and/or in related groups about the proposed group." Given the low >participation in news.groups.proposals, I think you will get more
    comments here in news.groups. Even better would be a discussion in
    "related groups" that would demonstrate that there are actually people
    who are interested in the topic and would participate in a Usenet newsgroup.

    Even better would be the proponent making himself known for actually
    discussing the topic in an existing newsgroup in threads in which other
    people participate in discussing the topic.

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Mar 31 16:58:24 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:41:11 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:15:58 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Even better would be the proponent making himself known for actually >>discussing the topic in an existing newsgroup in threads in which other >>people participate in discussing the topic.

    I have been reading comp* groups for many years. I don't remember Go ever >being discussed. Perhaps there has been some passing reference which I've >forgotten about. But the lack of discussion could simply be because there's >no group for it.

    If you don't see discussion on Usenet that you want to read then it's
    your responsibility to start it.

    (generic) You want to discuss it somewhere where it's topical. If not ,
    chances are you'll get flamed , you'll annoy people and you won't achieve anything. If (non generic) you have any suggestions for a group where a discussion of Go might not be too much off-topic , go ahead and share them. Mine would be comp.programming .It would disagree with the charter of the group (discussion of algorithms) but for a long time the group has mostly
    been taken over by trolls (especially one who uses it more or less as his personal blog) so discussion about a programming language would be an improvement.

    Usenet dies because each and every regular reader waits for someone else
    to start discussion.

    You are being melodramatic. Usenet is a niche interest and likely to remain
    so but I don't anticipate it dying for decades.

    --
    vlaho.ninja/prog

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Thu Mar 31 16:41:11 2022
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:15:58 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
    rek2 hispagatos wrote in news.groups.proposals:

    Hello, I'm back using and supporting USENET strong, but notice a lack of >>>>modern topics, I am glad gemini protocol got added, I enjoy it and check >>>>everyday, very excited, but when it comes to computer languages, I am >>>>active on C but is lacking GO, RUST etc... specially I am bias I will >>>>love a GO group where I share my finds and have conversations with other >>>>GO programmers specially if they are into cybersecurity.

    What does everyone think? I was reading: >>>>https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup
    and it ask to start an "informal" discussion so here I am.

    Happy Hacking.

    The suggestion in the document you cite is "1. (optional) The proponent >>>may start an informal discussion in news.groups.proposals, news.groups, >>>and/or in related groups about the proposed group." Given the low >>>participation in news.groups.proposals, I think you will get more >>>comments here in news.groups. Even better would be a discussion in >>>"related groups" that would demonstrate that there are actually people >>>who are interested in the topic and would participate in a Usenet newsgroup.

    What would be a related newsgroup ? comp.lang.misc perhaps ? But my >experience is that there people tend to discuss custom made languages
    or general issues of language design rather than specific languages
    which do not have a dedicated comp.lang.* group.

    Even better would be the proponent making himself known for actually >>discussing the topic in an existing newsgroup in threads in which other >>people participate in discussing the topic.

    I have been reading comp* groups for many years. I don't remember Go ever >being discussed. Perhaps there has been some passing reference which I've >forgotten about. But the lack of discussion could simply be because there's >no group for it.

    If you don't see discussion on Usenet that you want to read then it's
    your responsibility to start it.

    Usenet dies because each and every regular reader waits for someone else
    to start discussion.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Thu Mar 31 18:01:37 2022
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:41:11 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:15:58 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Even better would be the proponent making himself known for actually >>>>discussing the topic in an existing newsgroup in threads in which other >>>>people participate in discussing the topic.

    I have been reading comp* groups for many years. I don't remember Go ever >>>being discussed. Perhaps there has been some passing reference which I've >>>forgotten about. But the lack of discussion could simply be because there's >>>no group for it.

    If you don't see discussion on Usenet that you want to read then it's
    your responsibility to start it.

    (generic) You want to discuss it somewhere where it's topical.

    There is no "where". Either the topic is discussed on Usenet or it's
    not.

    You are well aware that Usenet has *.misc groups. tale newgroups lots of
    these. "There is no place to post" is absurd, given 10s of thousands
    of failed newsgroups on Usenet. Any conceivable topic is on topic in
    some existing newsgroup on Usenet.

    If not , chances are you'll get flamed , you'll annoy people and you
    won't achieve anything.

    Now you are trolling, and/or making excuses about why you can't be
    bothered to start discussion that you want to read, forever waiting for
    someone else to startit. You post like a serious person, say something worthwhile, then you won't get flamed by other people who have
    worthwhile and interesting things to say.

    If you do get flamed, you grow a thicker skin and ignore it.

    The rest deleted unread because you are not a serious people with
    anything worthwhile to say. If you were you'd be known for posting
    on the topic you claim to be interested in.

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Mar 31 18:38:54 2022
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Usenet dies because each and every regular reader
    waits for someone else to start discussion.

    True.

    --
    ^Ï^ Slava Ukraini

    My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From Steve Bonine@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Thu Mar 31 15:04:13 2022
    Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    Usenet is a niche interest and likely to remain
    so but I don't anticipate it dying for decades.

    Yes, that is exactly the issue. In order to be useful, a discussion
    must have participants. If there is no one on Usenet who wants to
    discuss GO, it's pointless to create a newsgroup for it. There are not
    huge numbers of people who are interested in discussing GO, and there
    are not huge numbers of people who are currently using Usenet, so at
    this point we have exactly one potential participant in a GO newsgroup.

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  • From meff@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri Apr 1 00:04:29 2022
    On 2022-03-31, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Even better would be the proponent making himself known for actually discussing the topic in an existing newsgroup in threads in which other people participate in discussing the topic.

    I am very sympathetic to this argument and when the OP originally
    posted in another group about this I gave the same response. I do
    pause because most of comp.lang.misc tends to argue hobby languages
    and from my general experience on the internet these folks are
    actively disinterested in (sometimes even hostile toward) Go.

    I do however think that, no matter how this proposal goes, we should
    start threads in Usenet groups about Go because I'd be happy to
    participate in them. I write lots of Go (recently even NNTP-related Go
    code) and would be happy to discuss with other Go enthusiasts.

    OP feel free to start Go discussions. I'd be more than happy to join
    in when time permits.

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  • From Vasco Costa@21:1/5 to meff on Sat Apr 9 17:26:26 2022
    On 01/04/2022, meff <email@example.com> wrote:
    I do however think that, no matter how this proposal goes, we should
    start threads in Usenet groups about Go because I'd be happy to
    participate in them. I write lots of Go (recently even NNTP-related Go
    code) and would be happy to discuss with other Go enthusiasts.

    OP feel free to start Go discussions. I'd be more than happy to join
    in when time permits.

    As a Go programmer I would also be more than happy to engage in Go
    discussions. Perhaps the lack of such discussions is related to the
    existence of an official Google Group about the language (go-nuts).
    However as an NNTP lover, it would be great to have a newsgroup.

    I'm taking the chance to ask here whether you or the OP have already
    started any discussion somewhere else. Otherwise I'll start one myself.

    --
    Vasco Costa

    AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science,
    technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek.

    Gemini: gemini://gluonspace.com/

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  • From meff@21:1/5 to Vasco Costa on Sun Apr 10 08:20:48 2022
    On 2022-04-09, Vasco Costa <vasco.costa@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    I'm taking the chance to ask here whether you or the OP have already
    started any discussion somewhere else. Otherwise I'll start one myself.

    I have not. Feel free to make one, cross-post here, and I'll join in.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to meff on Sun Apr 10 13:25:49 2022
    meff <email@example.com> wrote:
    On 2022-04-09, Vasco Costa <vasco.costa@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I'm taking the chance to ask here whether you or the OP have already >>started any discussion somewhere else. Otherwise I'll start one myself.

    I have not. Feel free to make one, cross-post here, and I'll join in.

    Hold it. Do not crosspost GO programming language discussion to
    news.group. Post it in an appropriate miscellaneous programming language discussion group tagged [GO] to make it more prominent. Try to get
    discussion going first, then decide if there is enough discussion to
    warrant a specific group.

    DO NOT have such discussion here in news.groups, which is for configging discussion only and not actual discussion topics.

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  • From Vasco Costa@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sun Apr 10 13:46:37 2022
    On 10/04/2022, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Hold it. Do not crosspost GO programming language discussion to
    news.group. Post it in an appropriate miscellaneous programming language discussion group tagged [GO] to make it more prominent. Try to get
    discussion going first, then decide if there is enough discussion to
    warrant a specific group.

    Yes, that's exactly what I intended to do. Thanks for making it clear
    and for the extra tips on how to tackle it.

    --
    Vasco Costa

    AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science,
    technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek.

    Gemini: gemini://gluonspace.com/

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to meff on Mon Apr 11 04:12:18 2022
    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:04:02 GMT
    meff <email@example.com> wrote:
    On 2022-04-10, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    DO NOT have such discussion here in news.groups, which is for configging discussion only and not actual discussion topics.

    I don't intend to have a discussion here but if I'm not aware which
    group the discussion is being created in, how would I ever find the discussion? I had only intended the cross-post to be a way to
    "originate" the discussion but if you have a more appropriate Usenet
    way of things I'm interested.

    comp.lang.misc which has already been mentioned in this thread.

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  • From meff@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon Apr 11 04:04:02 2022
    On 2022-04-10, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    DO NOT have such discussion here in news.groups, which is for configging discussion only and not actual discussion topics.

    I don't intend to have a discussion here but if I'm not aware which
    group the discussion is being created in, how would I ever find the
    discussion? I had only intended the cross-post to be a way to
    "originate" the discussion but if you have a more appropriate Usenet
    way of things I'm interested.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to meff on Mon Apr 11 04:45:48 2022
    meff <email@example.com> wrote:
    On 2022-04-10, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    DO NOT have such discussion here in news.groups, which is for configging >>discussion only and not actual discussion topics.

    I don't intend to have a discussion here but if I'm not aware which
    group the discussion is being created in, how would I ever find the >discussion? I had only intended the cross-post to be a way to
    "originate" the discussion but if you have a more appropriate Usenet
    way of things I'm interested.

    There is a miscellaneous group for every single topic.

    The OP was already advised, and agreed to, discuss the topic in
    comp.lang.misc elsewhere in this thread.

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  • From Postiljon Petskin@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri Apr 21 14:29:31 2023
    Hey........ Nice to see, that You are having something to write about.....


    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 5:16:00 PM UTC+2, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Steve Bonine <s...@pobox.com> wrote:
    rek2 hispagatos wrote in news.groups.proposals:

    Hello, I'm back using and supporting USENET strong, but notice a lack of >>modern topics, I am glad gemini protocol got added, I enjoy it and check >>everyday, very excited, but when it comes to computer languages, I am >>active on C but is lacking GO, RUST etc... specially I am bias I will >>love a GO group where I share my finds and have conversations with other >>GO programmers specially if they are into cybersecurity.

    What does everyone think? I was reading: >>https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup
    and it ask to start an "informal" discussion so here I am.

    Happy Hacking.

    The suggestion in the document you cite is "1. (optional) The proponent >may start an informal discussion in news.groups.proposals, news.groups, >and/or in related groups about the proposed group." Given the low >participation in news.groups.proposals, I think you will get more
    comments here in news.groups. Even better would be a discussion in >"related groups" that would demonstrate that there are actually people
    who are interested in the topic and would participate in a Usenet newsgroup. Even better would be the proponent making himself known for actually discussing the topic in an existing newsgroup in threads in which other people participate in discussing the topic.

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