• "holistic" group?

    From Dale@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 24 17:26:13 2021
    Can't find a good named "holistic" group on ...

    eternal-september

    aioe

    giganews

    supernews

    ... thoughts on creating one?

    alt.* or free.* hierarchies ?

    What is the format of the control message so it can be put in ...

    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/active

    ... and get carried by servers that require that listing.

    want it alt.* or free.* ?

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative
    sci.med.nutrition

    ...

    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jack Lemmon@21:1/5 to Dale on Sat Jul 24 21:50:00 2021
    On 24/07/2021 22:26, Dale wrote:
    Can't find a good named "holistic" group on ...

    eternal-september

    aioe

    giganews

    supernews

    ... thoughts on creating one?


    Try on this:

    <news://paganini.bofh.team/>

    Somebody on Windows 10 newsgroup said that some servers are censored and
    don't carry all the newsgroups. AIOE has a list of newsgroups that are
    not carried on it.

    They have broken the internet by censoring newsgroups or banning some
    people.

    paganini.bofh.team is very fast and it runs on new SSD drive.

    You might have to create a newsgroup of your choice such as holistic
    blah blah blah.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to Dale on Sun Jul 25 06:00:57 2021
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and
    holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

    misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical
    discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are
    alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western
    scientific medicine.

    Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture,
    Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy,
    ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic
    dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology,
    macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy,
    natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
    radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine
    (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

    Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either
    side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are
    encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a
    generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create
    one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email
    us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a group. One
    thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are
    people wanting such a group.

    Jason

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Sun Jul 25 09:02:01 2021
    On 7/25/2021 2:00 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

    misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical
    discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are
    alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western
    scientific medicine.

    Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture,
    Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy,
    ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic
    dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology,
    macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy,
    natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
    radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine
    (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

    Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either
    side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are
    encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a
    generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create
    one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email
    us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a group. One thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are
    people wanting such a group.

    Jason


    Thank You Jason !!!!

    It would be nice that when you use your reader to search for a group to subscribe to that it considers the description as well as the title.

    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to dale@dalekelly.org on Sun Jul 25 13:39:40 2021
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 2:00 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and
    holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

    misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical
    discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are
    alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western
    scientific medicine.

    Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture,
    Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy,
    ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic
    dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology,
    macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy, >> natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
    radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine
    (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

    Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either
    side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are
    encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a
    generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create
    one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email
    us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a group. One
    thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are
    people wanting such a group.

    Jason


    Thank You Jason !!!!

    It would be nice that when you use your reader to search for a group to >subscribe to that it considers the description as well as the title.

    Or download a newsgroups file directly:

    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/newsgroups.gz

    gunzip the file.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sun Jul 25 09:48:52 2021
    On 7/25/2021 9:39 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 2:00 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and
    holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

    misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical
    discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are
    alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western
    scientific medicine.

    Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture,
    Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy,
    ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic >>> dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology,
    macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy,
    natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
    radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine >>> (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

    Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either >>> side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are >>> encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a >>> generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create
    one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email
    us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a group. One >>> thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are
    people wanting such a group.

    Jason


    Thank You Jason !!!!

    It would be nice that when you use your reader to search for a group to
    subscribe to that it considers the description as well as the title.

    Or download a newsgroups file directly:

    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/newsgroups.gz

    gunzip the file.


    not for the non-commandline crowd

    would be nice if the reader accessed it and incorporated it into group
    searches

    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sun Jul 25 09:49:21 2021
    On 7/25/2021 9:39 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 2:00 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and
    holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

    misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical
    discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are
    alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western
    scientific medicine.

    Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture,
    Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy,
    ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic >>> dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology,
    macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy,
    natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
    radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine >>> (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

    Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either >>> side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are >>> encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a >>> generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create
    one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email
    us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a group. One >>> thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are
    people wanting such a group.

    Jason


    Thank You Jason !!!!

    It would be nice that when you use your reader to search for a group to
    subscribe to that it considers the description as well as the title.

    Or download a newsgroups file directly:

    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/newsgroups.gz

    gunzip the file.


    Thank You Adam !!!!

    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to Dale on Sun Jul 25 15:14:48 2021
    Dale wrote:

    would be nice if a search for groups on readers/clients used more than groupname?

    add description and charter? a configuration option?


    I see that you're using Thunderbird which works fine as a newsreader, but it leaves a lot to be desired. News servers usually use the ISC file that Adam referred to as their current list of newsgroups and then they add in
    additional newsgroups as needed. Some newsreaders will show the descriptions along with the names, but not many.

    News servers do not cache the list of charters because they aren't stored anywhere in a format that can be easily found the way that the newsgroup
    list is. I recently wrote a guide on how to find charters for yourself here: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Find_a_Charter. I just posted it to news.announce.newusers also. We'll see if anyone is listening there and if
    it gets approved.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Dale on Sun Jul 25 10:31:02 2021
    On 7/25/2021 9:48 AM, Dale wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 9:39 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Dale  <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 2:00 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and >>>> holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

          misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical
          discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are
          alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western >>>>       scientific medicine.

          Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture,
          Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy,
          ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism,
    holistic
          dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology, >>>>       macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery,
    naturopathy,
          natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy, >>>>       radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional
    medicine
          (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

          Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from >>>> either
          side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and
    arguments are
          encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to >>>> be a
          generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create >>>> one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email >>>> us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a
    group. One
    thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are
    people wanting such a group.

    Jason


    Thank You Jason !!!!

    It would be nice that when you use your reader to search for a group to
    subscribe to that it considers the description as well as the title.

    Or download a newsgroups file directly:

    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/newsgroups.gz

    gunzip the file.


    not for the non-commandline crowd

    would be nice if the reader accessed it and incorporated it into group searches


    would be nice if a search for groups on readers/clients used more than groupname?

    add description and charter? a configuration option?

    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Sun Jul 25 12:07:49 2021
    On 7/25/2021 11:14 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    Dale wrote:

    would be nice if a search for groups on readers/clients used more than
    groupname?

    add description and charter? a configuration option?


    I see that you're using Thunderbird which works fine as a newsreader, but it leaves a lot to be desired. News servers usually use the ISC file that Adam referred to as their current list of newsgroups and then they add in additional newsgroups as needed. Some newsreaders will show the descriptions along with the names, but not many.

    News servers do not cache the list of charters because they aren't stored anywhere in a format that can be easily found the way that the newsgroup
    list is. I recently wrote a guide on how to find charters for yourself here: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Find_a_Charter. I just posted it to news.announce.newusers also. We'll see if anyone is listening there and if
    it gets approved.


    Thank You Again Jason !!!!



    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to dale@dalekelly.org on Sun Jul 25 15:54:29 2021
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 9:39 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 2:00 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and >>>> holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

    misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical >>>> discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are >>>> alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western
    scientific medicine.

    Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture, >>>> Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy, >>>> ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic >>>> dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology,
    macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy,
    natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
    radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine >>>> (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

    Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either >>>> side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are >>>> encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a >>>> generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create >>>> one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email >>>> us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a group. One >>>> thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are
    people wanting such a group.

    Jason


    Thank You Jason !!!!

    It would be nice that when you use your reader to search for a group to
    subscribe to that it considers the description as well as the title.

    Or download a newsgroups file directly:

    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/newsgroups.gz

    gunzip the file.


    not for the non-commandline crowd

    would be nice if the reader accessed it and incorporated it into group >searches

    Then use filezilla, which has gzip/gunzip built-in. C'mon, dale, I gave
    you the URL to use.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Jason Evans on Sun Jul 25 12:22:15 2021
    On 7/25/2021 11:14 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    Dale wrote:

    would be nice if a search for groups on readers/clients used more than
    groupname?

    add description and charter? a configuration option?


    I see that you're using Thunderbird which works fine as a newsreader, but it leaves a lot to be desired. News servers usually use the ISC file that Adam referred to as their current list of newsgroups and then they add in additional newsgroups as needed. Some newsreaders will show the descriptions along with the names, but not many.

    News servers do not cache the list of charters because they aren't stored anywhere in a format that can be easily found the way that the newsgroup
    list is. I recently wrote a guide on how to find charters for yourself here: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Find_a_Charter. I just posted it to news.announce.newusers also. We'll see if anyone is listening there and if
    it gets approved.


    Hi Jason !

    Checked out your guide !

    Does your charter search tool allow a word/phrase search in multiple
    group charters?



    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sun Jul 25 12:17:09 2021
    On 7/25/2021 11:54 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 9:39 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 2:00 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and >>>>> holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

    misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical >>>>> discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are >>>>> alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western >>>>> scientific medicine.

    Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture, >>>>> Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy, >>>>> ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic
    dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology, >>>>> macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy,
    natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
    radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine >>>>> (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

    Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either >>>>> side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are
    encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a
    generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create >>>>> one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email >>>>> us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a group. One >>>>> thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are
    people wanting such a group.

    Jason


    Thank You Jason !!!!

    It would be nice that when you use your reader to search for a group to >>>> subscribe to that it considers the description as well as the title.

    Or download a newsgroups file directly:

    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/newsgroups.gz

    gunzip the file.


    not for the non-commandline crowd

    would be nice if the reader accessed it and incorporated it into group
    searches

    Then use filezilla, which has gzip/gunzip built-in. C'mon, dale, I gave
    you the URL to use.


    the ftp URL doesn't come up in my browser, just a blank screen

    I am using the default Windows browser, chromium/edge

    I remember when browsers supported FTP, did they stop?

    will think about filezilla

    doesn't make the group descriptions and charter available to
    client/reader group search for everyone

    Thank You Adam !!!!

    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to dale@dalekelly.org on Sun Jul 25 18:25:11 2021
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 11:54 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 9:39 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    On 7/25/2021 2:00 AM, Jason Evans wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:26:13 -0400, Dale wrote:

    Though there already is ...

    misc.health.alternative sci.med.nutrition


    Hi Dale,

    Like you said, there is currently:

    misc.health.alternative

    The description for that newsgroup is, "Alternative, complementary and >>>>>> holistic health care."

    This group was created in 1992 and the charter is as follows:

    misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical >>>>>> discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are >>>>>> alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western >>>>>> scientific medicine.

    Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture, >>>>>> Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy, >>>>>> ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic
    dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology, >>>>>> macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, >naturopathy,
    natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy, >>>>>> radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine
    (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

    Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either
    side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and
    arguments are
    encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a
    generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

    We can talk about creating a new newsgroup but we don't want to create >>>>>> one when there are already newsgroups that may suit that purpose. Email >>>>>> us a board@big-8.org if you want to go forward with creating a group. One
    thing that we ask first is that you know in advanced that there are >>>>>> people wanting such a group.

    Jason


    Thank You Jason !!!!

    It would be nice that when you use your reader to search for a group to >>>>> subscribe to that it considers the description as well as the title.

    Or download a newsgroups file directly:

    ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/newsgroups.gz

    gunzip the file.


    not for the non-commandline crowd

    would be nice if the reader accessed it and incorporated it into group
    searches

    Then use filezilla, which has gzip/gunzip built-in. C'mon, dale, I gave
    you the URL to use.


    the ftp URL doesn't come up in my browser, just a blank screen

    I am using the default Windows browser, chromium/edge

    I remember when browsers supported FTP, did they stop?

    Some browsers no longer include an FTP client, but they can usually be
    set to call an outside FTP client. There is some specious complaint
    about lack of security which is not applicable to anonymous FTP.

    will think about filezilla

    doesn't make the group descriptions and charter available to
    client/reader group search for everyone

    The newreader is supposed to have a built-in command that gets the
    newsgroups file. Not all servers make one available.

    If not, then get it from ftp.isc.org.

    Thank You Adam !!!!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 3 12:54:05 2021
    Op 25-7-2021 om 17:14 schreef Jason Evans:
    Dale wrote:

    would be nice if a search for groups on readers/clients used more than
    groupname?

    add description and charter? a configuration option?


    I see that you're using Thunderbird which works fine as a newsreader, but it leaves a lot to be desired. News servers usually use the ISC file that Adam referred to as their current list of newsgroups and then they add in additional newsgroups as needed. Some newsreaders will show the descriptions along with the names, but not many.

    News servers do not cache the list of charters because they aren't stored anywhere in a format that can be easily found the way that the newsgroup
    list is. I recently wrote a guide on how to find charters for yourself here: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Find_a_Charter. I just posted it to news.announce.newusers also. We'll see if anyone is listening there and if
    it gets approved.



    Jason,

    I do not see your message in news.announce.newusers.
    (on eternal-september)
    Last messages there were in 2014.....
    (3 different FAQ's from "NNQ Moderation Team")

    In aioe and neodome there are no messages at all in news.announce.newusers.

    Rink

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 3 18:58:17 2021
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    I have used 21st century technology to compose this post to make it easier for people to read the message in hypertext. I used a DELL keyboard to compose this message.


    --
    Windows-10: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-10>
    Windows-8: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-8>
    Windows-7: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.windows7.general>
    Windows XP: <news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
    Windows-XP: <news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
    Firefox: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.firefox> Thunderbird: <news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.thunderbird>

    Google Groups: <https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>


    <html>
    <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
    <style>
    body{font-size:1.2em;color:#900;background-color:#f5f1e4;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;padding:25px}blockquote{background-color:#eacccc;color:#c16666;font-style:oblique 25deg}.table{display:table}.tr{display:table-row}.td{display:table-cell}
    </style>
    </head>
    <body text="#990000" bgcolor="#f5f1e4">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/08/2021 11:54, Rink wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:seb78j$o1g$1@dont-email.me"><br>
    <br>
    I do not see your message in news.announce.newusers. <br>
    (on eternal-september) <br>
    Last messages there were in 2014..... <br>
    (3 different FAQ's from "NNQ Moderation Team") <br>
    <br>
    In aioe and neodome there are no messages at all in
    news.announce.newusers. <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p>E-S and AIOE are censoring some posts so they have simply
    destroyed the newsgroup hierarchy. Neo-Nazi and Mafia are in
    charge of those servers. My posts won't appear on AIOE and/or E-S
    but that is a good thing to hasten their death!!. The users of
    those servers will start finding alternatives.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
    Windows-10: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-10">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-10&gt;</a>
    Windows-8: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-8">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.os.windows-8&gt;</a>
    Windows-7: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.windows7.general">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.windows7.general&gt;</a>
    Windows XP: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&gt;</a>
    Windows-XP: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&gt;</a>
    Firefox: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.firefox">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.firefox&gt;</a>
    Thunderbird: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.thunderbird">&lt;news://freenews.netfront.net/alt.comp.software.thunderbird&gt;</a>

    Google Groups: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general">&lt;https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&gt;</a></pre>
    </body>
    </html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to Rink on Tue Aug 3 22:07:05 2021
    Rink wrote:

    Jason,

    I do not see your message in news.announce.newusers.
    (on eternal-september)
    Last messages there were in 2014.....
    (3 different FAQ's from "NNQ Moderation Team")

    In aioe and neodome there are no messages at all in
    news.announce.newusers.

    Rink

    I know. That group is pretty much defunct. One of my goals this week is to
    try to get a hold of the most recent moderators and see what the status is.

    Jason

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)