After a 20+ year run, the traffic in m.l.m has dropped to a post
every month or two, if that
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the
{moderated or unmoderated} newsgroup {insert newsgroup name(s)}.
Distribution:(snip)
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
misc.legal.moderated
Proponent: Bernie Cosell <mlmmod@fantasyfarm.com>
Rationale for removal:
After a 20+ year run, the traffic in m.l.m has dropped to a post
every month or two, if that
History of the Group:
Group was created in 1994. It was created to provide a moderated
alternative to misc.legal. In the past it has run with as many as
20+ posts a day. Now there's hardly a post at all any more.
Since it is the moderator requesting removal of the group due to lack of posters, and since there is already an unmoderated group for the
subject, I believe the group should be removed.
On 16/08/2017 01:01, Bernie Cosell wrote:
I would say that perhaps the group should become unmoderated so that
After a 20+ year run, the traffic in m.l.m has dropped to a post
every month or two, if that
anybody can participate and post and discuss anything related to legal
and political matters. The groups are killed because of moderations and
in 2017 there is no place for moderation when old people are dying and
young people are not aware of how to use newsgroups.
On 16/08/2017 01:01, Bernie Cosell wrote:
After a 20+ year run, the traffic in m.l.m has dropped to a post
every month or two, if that
I would say that perhaps the group should become unmoderated so that
anybody can participate and post and discuss anything related to legal
and political matters.
r a 20+ year run, the traffic in m.l.m has dropped to a post
every month or two, if thatI would say that perhaps the group should become unmoderated so that
anybody can participate and post and discuss anything related to legal
and political matters.
There are two reasons why this would be a bad idea. One is technical:
some servers would change the status to unmoderated and others would
not,
Rationale for removal:
After a 20+ year run, the traffic in m.l.m has dropped to a post
every month or two, if that
History of the Group:
Group was created in 1994. It was created to provide a moderated
alternative to misc.legal. In the past it has run with as many as
20+ posts a day. Now there's hardly a post at all any more.
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the
{moderated or unmoderated} newsgroup {insert newsgroup name(s)}.
Distribution:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
misc.legal.moderated
Proponent: Bernie Cosell <mlmmod@fantasyfarm.com>
Charter:
See <https://www.dropbox.com/s/74g5zyaa9qc5i29/charter.txt?dl=0>
Rationale for removal:
After a 20+ year run, the traffic in m.l.m has dropped to a post
every month or two, if that
History of the Group:
Group was created in 1994. It was created to provide a moderated
alternative to misc.legal. In the past it has run with as many as
20+ posts a day. Now there's hardly a post at all any more.
Procedure:
Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in
that newsgroup.
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to news.groups.proposals.
All discussion of active proposals should be posted to
news.groups.proposals.
If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion may be
crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.
For more information on the newsgroup removal process, please see http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Removing_newsgroups
History of this RFD:
Original request: 2017-08-15
Bernie Cosell
moderator: misc.legal.moderated
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the
{moderated or unmoderated} newsgroup {insert newsgroup name(s)}.
Distribution:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
misc.legal.moderated
Proponent: Bernie Cosell <mlmmod@fantasyfarm.com>
Charter:
See <https://www.dropbox.com/s/74g5zyaa9qc5i29/charter.txt?dl=0>
Rationale for removal:
After a 20+ year run, the traffic in m.l.m has dropped to a post
every month or two, if that
History of the Group:
Group was created in 1994. It was created to provide a moderated
alternative to misc.legal. In the past it has run with as many as
20+ posts a day. Now there's hardly a post at all any more.
Procedure:
Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should >subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant >threads in
that newsgroup.
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to >news.groups.proposals.
All discussion of active proposals should be posted to
news.groups.proposals.
If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion may >be
crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that all >discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.
For more information on the newsgroup removal process, please see >http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Removing_newsgroups
History of this RFD:
Original request: 2017-08-15
Bernie Cosell
moderator: misc.legal.moderated
I know the situation is not the same, but what does it cost anyone to
have a newsgroup with no traffic, and if there is traffic it's because
people are using it. Two thirds of the newsgroups have never had any traffic and they haven't dragged down Usenet.
Unfortunately the unmoderated misc.legal has a very low signal to noise ratio. Few people post there because of that.
While the m.l.m moderator has done a good job controlling the content of
the misc.legal.moderated group, the moderation delay has been a bit
excessive in the past and that has driven off people.
I would suggest a change in moderators in an attempt to keep the group going
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the
{moderated or unmoderated} newsgroup {insert newsgroup name(s)}.
[quoted text rewrapped due to long lines]
<r.engehausen@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately the unmoderated misc.legal has a very low signal to noise ratio. Few people post there because of that.
I've just taken a look in misc.legal. It has very low traffic, less
than 3 posts per day over a 30-day period. It is quiet enough that any half-way decent news reader (ie, one that has some minimal level of kill-filing ability) would probably reduce the traffi
Traffic in misc.legal is low, and the moderator has said that he's
receiving very few submissions to misc.legal.moderated. I have not seen anyone here say that they want to post to misc.legal.moderated, so I
don't believe changing moderators would make any difference.
I have personal experience attempting to revive 6 different dead
moderated groups and none of them have been successful. The first was news.groups.reviews, back when Usenet was much more active generally.
Myself and two other volunteers made a really heroic effort to try to
revive the group. Many users enjoyed reading the reviews, but no one
wanted to post reviews. For some of the other groups, the users have
moved to Web forums or Web search engines have rendered them moot.
--
Kathy
Not only that, if the group needs a moderator, I'll do it.
If someone would like to 'officially'
volunteer to take over moderation [as I did when the previous moderator wanted to retire], I am all for it! I'd be happy to have the newsgroup continue. But failing someone _really_ stepping forward, I think that
it is time to remove the group.
I don't know who actually makes the final decision, nor when, but I'd
suggest that if a new moderator doesn't take the reins in, say, two weeks
[14 Sept] then whoever does such things should remove the group.
Bernie Cosell wrote:
If someone would like to 'officially'
volunteer to take over moderation [as I did when the previous moderator wanted to retire], I am all for it! I'd be happy to have the newsgroup continue. But failing someone _really_ stepping forward, I think that
it is time to remove the group.
So far I'm not seeing anyone seriously stepping forward.
I don't know who actually makes the final decision, nor when, but I'd suggest that if a new moderator doesn't take the reins in, say, two weeks [14 Sept] then whoever does such things should remove the group.
The final decision will be made by the Big 8 Management Board (B8MB),
and I agree with you that 14 Sept is a reasonable deadline for some kind
of action. At that point, the B8MB can post a Last Call for Comments
and initiate voting on the proposal with the result announced after the
vote and at least a 5 day comment period.
--
Kathy, Chairman B8MB
r.engehausen@gmail.com wrote:
} I don't know how to "seriously" step forward but I will volunteer. To answer the "technical" question, I have run a USENET server in the past and currently work part time for an ISP so I have access to the resources.
Well, I'm amenable to just changing the moderation email address to Roy's
and seeing what happens. Is there an objection letting Roy moderate m.l.m?
Bernie Cosell
moderator: misc.legal.moderated
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