• BitCoin or Cryprocurrencies?

    From Evgenii Sputnik@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 22:55:41 2017
    Hello

    Would you generally prefer BitCoin newsgroup or Cryptocurrencies [in
    general] newsgroup?
    I personally will prefer a BitCoin newsgroup; in Big-8; text-only.

    Cheers

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  • From Doug713705@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 16:45:50 2017
    Le 15-08-2017, Evgenii Sputnik nous expliquait dans
    news.groups.proposals
    (<oms3sf$6ke$1@gioia.aioe.org>) :

    Hello

    Would you generally prefer BitCoin newsgroup or Cryptocurrencies [in
    general] newsgroup?
    I personally will prefer a BitCoin newsgroup; in Big-8; text-only.

    crypto-currencies (IMO with hiphen) would be better as this name is more generic and not
    affiliated with a specific product name.

    --
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  • From Evgenii Sputnik@21:1/5 to doug.letough@free.fr on Mon Sep 4 19:00:00 2017
    On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 16:45:50 CST
    Doug713705 <doug.letough@free.fr> wrote:

    Le 15-08-2017, Evgenii Sputnik nous expliquait dans
    news.groups.proposals
    (<oms3sf$6ke$1@gioia.aioe.org>) :

    Hello

    Would you generally prefer BitCoin newsgroup or Cryptocurrencies
    [in general] newsgroup?
    I personally will prefer a BitCoin newsgroup; in Big-8; text-only.

    crypto-currencies (IMO with hiphen) would be better as this name is
    more generic and not affiliated with a specific product name.


    I now stand for soc.bitcoins. Why? Because alt.bitcoins already
    exists and also because I support BTC over other currencies as I see no
    reason for other crypto-currencies to exist at all. I am more worried
    about global acceptance of BTC than LTC/others or the technical side.

    --
    esptnk@gmail.com

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  • From Stephen Graham@21:1/5 to Evgenii Sputnik on Tue Sep 5 15:00:07 2017
    On 9/4/2017 6:00 PM, Evgenii Sputnik wrote:

    I now stand for soc.bitcoins. Why? Because alt.bitcoins already
    exists and also because I support BTC over other currencies as I see no reason for other crypto-currencies to exist at all. I am more worried
    about global acceptance of BTC than LTC/others or the technical side.

    Crypto-currency would be far better.

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  • From Bruce Esquibel@21:1/5 to Evgenii Sputnik on Tue Sep 5 14:59:44 2017
    Evgenii Sputnik <esptnk@gmail.com> wrote:

    I now stand for soc.bitcoins. Why? Because alt.bitcoins already
    exists and also because I support BTC over other currencies as I see no reason for other crypto-currencies to exist at all. I am more worried
    about global acceptance of BTC than LTC/others or the technical side.

    If you ask me, make a proposal to do it to all of them...

    soc.bitcoins
    rec.bitcoins
    misc.bitcoins
    comp.bitcoins

    and whatever else there is in the "big-8", it just isn't going to make a difference with anything at all.

    The simple answer to why is, nobody gives a shit anymore. Usenet died, there was a film at 11 and no one watched it. Creating a new group is just
    catering to the people already on usenet, it doesn't attract outsiders
    anymore and no one not on it looks forward to using it.

    There are sites like bitcointalk.org, reddit and cointalk.com which have
    more posts made in an hour than you'll ever see in 10 years on usenet.

    Adding bitcoins to the big-8 is meaningless now. If it exists on alt.* it's doing as good as if it was on the 8. When usenet was being used as a
    research and educational tool years ago, there was a reason to separate alt from the others. These days, it won't make any difference adding bitcoins to the big-8.

    I might be wrong about the following but these were the last big-8 groups created within the last 10 years (or so):

    comp.mobile.ipad 0000070144
    rec.arts.tv.x-factor 0000035096
    rec.arts.tv.dancing 0000001012
    comp.mobile.android 0000046030
    comp.sys.raspberry-pi 0000015466
    comp.sys.mac.vintage 0000001933

    those numbers at the end are the total posts made to them since they were created, and none of them are really barn burners figuring the number of
    years they are been around.

    The group before them was even worse. These were "fast tracked" after there wasn't enough people voting anymore, which is the way it used to work with
    new big-8 groups (minimum number of people voting then a ratio of yes/no votes).

    comp.internet.services.wiki 0000000127
    rec.media.players.portable.ipod 0000006046
    rec.media.players.portable 0000000097
    rec.arts.tv.comedy.the-office 0000000088 comp.internet.services.blog.livejournal 0000000082 comp.internet.services.video.youtube 0000000333 comp.internet.services.social.myspace 0000000039
    comp.internet.services.google 0000001609

    Now those I'm sure are in the 10+ year range and if a big-8 group under comp for google only got 1609 posts, bitcoins in all big-8 groups, alt and even free.* isn't going to do any better. Probably will be closer to that myspace one with 39 posts.

    Basically what I want to put across, there isn't anyone here anymore. Once
    you remove the alt.binaries and non-u.s.a. ones (relcom, de.), there really isn't anything left. I've run a news server since the early 90's and have fairly complete logs going back to around 2008 online
    (http://nntp.ripco.com) and other logs archived to 2001 or so, but it's a
    dead issue with no argument.

    I mean yesterday (sept 4), grand total of 17636 articles posted making up a whopping 68mb of data. I carry 39330 groups, that is barely one post to half the total number. I'm sure there are more people reading than posting but I really doubt it's more than 2:1.

    So again, excluding non-english and binary news groups, if you think those 35,000-40,000 people that probably read usenet daily have some interest in bitcoins, continue on with your quest.

    Otherwise it is pointless. There is just us dinosaurs left.

    Why do you think you see the same names popping up in any group where you
    have been posting to?

    -bruce
    bje@ripco.com

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  • From David E. Ross@21:1/5 to Evgenii Sputnik on Tue Sep 5 18:59:21 2017
    On 8/14/2017 9:55 PM, Evgenii Sputnik wrote:
    Hello

    Would you generally prefer BitCoin newsgroup or Cryptocurrencies [in
    general] newsgroup?
    I personally will prefer a BitCoin newsgroup; in Big-8; text-only.

    Cheers


    Given the significant decline in participation in newsgroups in general,
    I would favor broad scopes over narrow scopes. Thus, I would favor a cryptocurrency newsgroup over a bitcoin one.

    However, I think cryptocurrencies are a bubble that will burst at least
    as bad as tulip mania (17th century), the South Seas Bubble (18th
    century), and the Crédit Mobilier (19th century). Thus, I do not own or
    use any form of cryptocurrency. Given the lack of government
    involvement -- involvement that is effectively prohibited by the very
    concept of cryptocurrency -- there will be no government bail-out as
    there were during the collapses of the dot-com (20th century) or real
    estate bubbles (21st century).

    --
    David E. Ross
    <http://www.rossde.com/>

    Anything I post in this newsgroup is my personal
    opinion and does not reflect the official position
    of the Big8-Usenet Board.

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  • From Evgenii Sputnik@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Wed Sep 6 22:45:31 2017
    On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:59:21 CST
    "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

    However, I think cryptocurrencies are a bubble that will burst at
    least as bad as tulip mania (17th century), the South Seas Bubble
    (18th century), and the Crédit Mobilier (19th century). Thus, I do
    not own or use any form of cryptocurrency. Given the lack of
    government involvement -- involvement that is effectively prohibited
    by the very concept of cryptocurrency -- there will be no government
    bail-out as there were during the collapses of the dot-com (20th
    century) or real estate bubbles (21st century).

    And I think BitCoin would succeed and others die.

    --
    esptnk@gmail.com
    Move everything to Big-8 and leave alt.* for binaries.

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  • From Stephen Graham@21:1/5 to Evgenii Sputnik on Thu Sep 7 19:46:20 2017
    On 9/6/2017 9:45 PM, Evgenii Sputnik wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:59:21 CST
    "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

    However, I think cryptocurrencies are a bubble that will burst at
    least as bad as tulip mania (17th century), the South Seas Bubble
    (18th century), and the Crédit Mobilier (19th century). Thus, I do
    not own or use any form of cryptocurrency. Given the lack of
    government involvement -- involvement that is effectively prohibited
    by the very concept of cryptocurrency -- there will be no government
    bail-out as there were during the collapses of the dot-com (20th
    century) or real estate bubbles (21st century).

    And I think BitCoin would succeed and others die.


    Get back to us about that in 50 years.

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  • From Doug713705@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 19:45:55 2017
    Le 07-09-2017, Evgenii Sputnik nous expliquait dans
    news.groups.proposals (<20170907061657.00004ef7.esptnk@gmail.com>) :

    On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:59:21 CST
    "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

    However, I think cryptocurrencies are a bubble that will burst at
    least as bad as tulip mania (17th century), the South Seas Bubble
    (18th century), and the Crédit Mobilier (19th century). Thus, I do
    not own or use any form of cryptocurrency. Given the lack of
    government involvement -- involvement that is effectively prohibited
    by the very concept of cryptocurrency -- there will be no government
    bail-out as there were during the collapses of the dot-com (20th
    century) or real estate bubbles (21st century).

    And I think BitCoin would succeed and others die.

    You're wrong, the market needs at least 2 currencies to allow people to
    swap between them.

    --
    Si avec Charlotte tu vas plus loin
    Mets de la cancoillotte sur le traversin
    Je te jure mon pote ce truc c'est dingue
    Ça t'fout le vertige pour le bastringue
    -- H.F. Thiéfaine, La cancoillote

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  • From Evgenii Sputnik@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 18:08:05 2017
    So I have sent a "2nd RFD: comp.cryptocurrencies (create)" in order to
    create a new newsgroup "comp.cryptocurrencies". You guys finally won!

    --
    esptnk@gmail.com
    Move everything to Big-8 and leave alt.* for binaries.

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  • From Evgenii Sputnik@21:1/5 to Evgenii Sputnik on Sat Sep 9 01:08:29 2017
    On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:08:05 CST
    Evgenii Sputnik <esptnk@gmail.com> wrote:

    So I have sent a "2nd RFD: comp.cryptocurrencies (create)" in order to
    create a new newsgroup "comp.cryptocurrencies". You guys finally won!


    ...but so far Aioe and Eternal-september refuse me to send it. I get no
    message that my message is received by moderation robot by my email...

    --
    esptnk@gmail.com
    Move everything to Big-8 and leave alt.* for binaries.

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