• Re: Moderator Vacancy Investigation: news.admin.technical

    From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to board@big-8.org on Tue Feb 27 13:39:33 2024
    Usenet Big-8 Management Board <board@big-8.org> writes:

    The Board recently received an inquiry about the status of the group
    from someone interested in posting to it. Given this, and that the
    group has historically been used for relevant posts on a topic that is
    still relevant today, the Board considers that there may be merit in
    opening the group to submissions again.

    I'm not sure we *really* need a separate moderated version of news.software.nntp, although since a lot of random stuff keeps getting cross-posted into news.software.nntp that isn't entirely on-topic, maybe
    it would be a good idea to resurrect this group for purely technical discussion.

    As an alternative, the group could be removed with the expectation that posters wishing to discuss technical news administration would instead
    use the existing unmoderated group news.admin.misc.

    news.software.nntp would be the closest group to the original intent of
    this group, I believe, not news.admin.misc. The naming dates from the
    days when there were multiple Usenet implementations, but these days when
    we talk about UUCP we just use news.software.nntp anyway since that's
    where all the people are, even though it's technically off-topic.

    news.admin.misc tends to be more about policy than about technical issues.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to Steve Bonine on Tue Feb 27 15:19:42 2024
    Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> writes:

    Are you really so desperate for something to do as to consider trying to revive a moderated newsgroup for a topic which is covered by another newsgroup and is of interest to a vanishingly small number of people?

    I personally would appreciate a forum for talking about Usenet software
    where peering decisions, spam, and network abuse are rejected by
    moderation so that the discussion was only about the technical issues of software implementation.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  • From Steve Bonine@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 15:11:44 2024
    Usenet Big-8 Management Board wrote:

    Apart from automated posts from the moderator, the group's most recent activity seems to be in 2012, when it had two posts. The group had
    sporadic bursts of activity (much of it cross-posted) in 2010, 2009,
    and 2008, and seems to have been used somewhat more regularly before
    2007.

    OK, let me summarize. No activity at all for 12 years (2012). Not
    regularly used for 17 years (20007). ONE person wants to post to it.
    There is another group, news.software.nntp, which is available to cover
    the topic.

    Are you really so desperate for something to do as to consider trying to
    revive a moderated newsgroup for a topic which is covered by another
    newsgroup and is of interest to a vanishingly small number of people?

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 15:24:14 2024
    On 27.02.2024 um 15:11 Uhr Steve Bonine wrote:

    Are you really so desperate for something to do as to consider trying
    to revive a moderated newsgroup for a topic which is covered by
    another newsgroup and is of interest to a vanishingly small number of
    people?

    The worst situation is a non-working moderated group. I think deleting
    it would be a reasonable way too.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to muell456@cartoonies.org

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  • From Ivo Gandolfo@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 16:16:51 2024
    -------- Original Message --------
    From: Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org>
    Date: mar, feb 27 2024 09:19:42PM GMT+00:00
    Subject: Moderator Vacancy Investigation: news.admin.technical

    I personally would appreciate a forum for talking about Usenet software
    where peering decisions, spam, and network abuse are rejected by
    moderation so that the discussion was only about the technical issues of software implementation.



    I agree with Russ. Having a moderate group is the best guarantee for
    keeping out a lot of unwanted junk.

    I even go one step further, I volunteer as a moderator (especially if
    there is at least one other person alongside me, Russ do you want to
    propose yourself?). And if Big8 don't have space to host the robomod I
    will also make the server available to host it.


    Sincerely

    --
    Ivo Gandolfo

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to Ivo Gandolfo on Tue Feb 27 16:45:26 2024
    Ivo Gandolfo <usenet@bofh.team> writes:

    I even go one step further, I volunteer as a moderator (especially if
    there is at least one other person alongside me, Russ do you want to
    propose yourself?).

    I am absurdly behind on absolutely everything and really shouldn't
    volunteer to do anything else. Although I admit the thought did occur to
    me.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  • From Tristan Miller@21:1/5 to Steve Bonine on Tue Feb 27 17:13:44 2024
    Greetings.

    On 2024-02-27 15:11, Steve Bonine wrote:
    OK, let me summarize.  No activity at all for 12 years (2012). Not
    regularly used for 17 years (20007).  ONE person wants to post to it.
    There is another group, news.software.nntp, which is available to cover
    the topic.

    Are you really so desperate for something to do as to consider trying to revive a moderated newsgroup for a topic which is covered by another newsgroup and is of interest to a vanishingly small number of people?

    Like practically every other RFD and MVI I've been involved with as a
    Board member, this one arises from someone contacting the Board to
    report a problem or to request that some action to be taken.
    Facilitating discussions and implementing decisions on whether any given
    group should be revived (or demoderated, or removed, or created, or what
    have you) is precisely what the Board is for. We're happy to spare a
    bit of time to look into why a moderated group isn't working, and the
    group's history, and to summarize this information so that the wider
    community can give their feedback on what (if anything) should be done.

    Regards,
    Tristan

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    Usenet Big-8 Management Board
    https://www.big-8.org/
    board@big-8.org

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  • From Steve Bonine@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Wed Feb 28 08:40:41 2024
    Russ Allbery wrote:
    Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> writes:

    Are you really so desperate for something to do as to consider trying to
    revive a moderated newsgroup for a topic which is covered by another
    newsgroup and is of interest to a vanishingly small number of people?

    I personally would appreciate a forum for talking about Usenet software
    where peering decisions, spam, and network abuse are rejected by
    moderation so that the discussion was only about the technical issues of software implementation.

    OK, I stand corrected, but in my defense I now realize that this is a
    special case. This newsgroup will/would be used by the very few people
    who are specifically interested in Usenet for Usenet's sake. In the
    general case, trying to revive a moderated newsgroup that has been dead
    for years is just silly.

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  • From Usenet Big-8 Management Board@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 20 17:51:20 2024
    Greetings.

    On 2024-02-27 12:18, Usenet Big-8 Management Board wrote:
    This is a formal Moderator Vacancy Investigation (MVI), begun because
    the moderated newsgroup news.admin.technical is not functioning.  This investigation will set out the reasons for non-function, and may
    result in the removal of the group or the selection and installation
    of a new moderator.

    The responses to this MVI have shown a general consensus that it would
    be useful to keep the group news.admin.technical, or at least one like
    it, running. There has been an expression of interest from a
    prospective moderator that the Board is following up on. Further
    details will be posted when they become available.

    Regards,
    Tristan

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    Usenet Big-8 Management Board
    https://www.big-8.org/
    board@big-8.org

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