• replace rec.arts.comics.dc.vertigo

    From David Chmelik@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 21 08:17:46 2022
    Vertigo DC Comics is replaced with DC Black Label, so the newsgroups
    should be updated accordingly.

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  • From Tristan Miller@21:1/5 to David Chmelik on Wed May 4 14:09:18 2022
    Greetings.

    On 21/04/2022 16.17, David Chmelik wrote:
    Vertigo DC Comics is replaced with DC Black Label, so the newsgroups
    should be updated accordingly.


    Is there any particularly pressing need for any action here? The group
    in question does not seem to have had any on-topic posts since January 2018.

    In any event, Usenet provides for no mechanism for renaming a newsgroup.
    The best we can do is to remove the old group and add a new one. If
    you have evidence that the obsolete name itself is responsible for the
    lack of traffic in the group -- for example, if you can demonstrate that
    DC Black Label is being actively discussed in some other newsgroup, and
    the volume is such that it warrants a dedicated newsgroup -- then please
    get in touch with the Board and we'll be happy to help you draft a
    formal group creation proposal.

    Regards,
    Tristan

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  • From David Chmelik@21:1/5 to Tristan Miller on Mon May 9 15:24:31 2022
    On Wed, 4 May 2022 14:09:18 CST, Tristan Miller wrote:

    Greetings.

    On 21/04/2022 16.17, David Chmelik wrote:
    Vertigo DC Comics is replaced with DC Black Label, so the newsgroups
    should be updated accordingly.


    Is there any particularly pressing need for any action here? The group
    in question does not seem to have had any on-topic posts since January
    2018.

    Precisely: that's when Vertigo became DC Black Label. The main DC
    newsgroup is active.

    In any event, Usenet provides for no mechanism for renaming a newsgroup.
    The best we can do is to remove the old group and add a new one. If
    you have evidence that the obsolete name itself is responsible for the
    lack of traffic in the group -- for example, if you can demonstrate that
    DC Black Label is being actively discussed in some other newsgroup, and
    the volume is such that it warrants a dedicated newsgroup -- then please
    get in touch with the Board and we'll be happy to help you draft a
    formal group creation proposal. [...]

    I'm not suggesting remove it, but can be deprecated like rec.games.rogue
    was replaced with rec.games.roguelike.rogue.

    What a replacement for the Vertigo one would be depends who knows the
    naming formats better than I do.

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  • From Tristan Miller@21:1/5 to David Chmelik on Tue May 10 16:15:30 2022
    Greetings.

    On 09/05/2022 23.24, David Chmelik wrote:
    On 21/04/2022 16.17, David Chmelik wrote:
    Vertigo DC Comics is replaced with DC Black Label, so the newsgroups
    should be updated accordingly.

    Is there any particularly pressing need for any action here? The group
    in question does not seem to have had any on-topic posts since January
    2018.

    Precisely: that's when Vertigo became DC Black Label. The main DC
    newsgroup is active.

    In any event, Usenet provides for no mechanism for renaming a newsgroup.
    The best we can do is to remove the old group and add a new one. If
    you have evidence that the obsolete name itself is responsible for the
    lack of traffic in the group -- for example, if you can demonstrate that
    DC Black Label is being actively discussed in some other newsgroup, and
    the volume is such that it warrants a dedicated newsgroup -- then please
    get in touch with the Board and we'll be happy to help you draft a
    formal group creation proposal. [...]

    I'm not suggesting remove it, but can be deprecated like rec.games.rogue
    was replaced with rec.games.roguelike.rogue.


    But IIRC rec.games.rogue *was* effectively removed, and rec.games.roguelike.rogue was created to take its place. And the two
    groups were exactly the same (charter and all) except for the naming scheme.

    As I understand it, Vertigo Comics and DC Black Label are two different
    comic book imprints. DC has designated the latter as the successor to
    the former, but this fact alone doesn't mean that the Vertigo newsgroup
    on Usenet should be removed (or renamed, or replaced, or "deprecated",
    or what have you), since perhaps people may still want to discuss the (now-historical) Vertigo imprint. A case could be made that the Vertigo
    group should be removed rather because it is moribund, though the
    current Board is not receptive to such arguments when applied to
    unmoderated groups. (Keeping a dead unmoderated group around does very
    little harm, and so it's hard to justify the administrative effort of
    removing it; besides, there's always the possibility that the group may
    one day be rejuvenated.)

    What a replacement for the Vertigo one would be depends who knows the
    naming formats better than I do.


    As I said, you haven't yet made any convincing argument that the Vertigo
    group needs to be replaced. There may, of course, be some justification
    for creating an entirely new group for DC Black Label. For such a
    creation proposal to pass, you would need to convincingly demonstrate
    that there is enough existing (or potential) discussion of the topic to
    sustain a dedicated group. (If there have been, say, complaints in the
    main DC newsgroup that the discussions of DC Black Label are crowding
    out the other threads, that would be a pretty convincing argument.)

    Regards,
    Tristan

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