• rec.games.roguelike.dungeon_crawl, rec.games.rogulike.larn, rec.games.r

    From David Chmelik@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 4 05:31:11 2022
    I propose rec.games.roguelike.dungeon_crawl (or should it be
    dungeon.crawl or dungeoncrawl?,) rec.games.rogulike.larn, rec.games.roguelike.omega, rec.games.roguelike.tome (for Angband
    derivative, not unrelated newer game by same programmer.)

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  • From Jason Evans@21:1/5 to David Chmelik on Mon Apr 4 15:16:11 2022
    David Chmelik wrote:

    I propose rec.games.roguelike.dungeon_crawl (or should it be
    dungeon.crawl or dungeoncrawl?,) rec.games.rogulike.larn, rec.games.roguelike.omega, rec.games.roguelike.tome (for Angband
    derivative, not unrelated newer game by same programmer.)

    We already have rec.games.roguelike.misc whose description is "Rogue-style dungeon games without other groups.". Wouldn't it be better to bring that newsgroup back to life and once people there are enough people talking
    about those other games, then create new newsgroups for them?

    Also, you forgot Dungeons of Dredmor which is also awesome.

    Jason

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to David Chmelik on Mon Apr 4 15:16:02 2022
    David Chmelik <dchmelik@gmail.com> writes:

    I propose rec.games.roguelike.dungeon_crawl (or should it be
    dungeon.crawl or dungeoncrawl?,) rec.games.rogulike.larn, rec.games.roguelike.omega, rec.games.roguelike.tome (for Angband
    derivative, not unrelated newer game by same programmer.)

    rec.games.roguelike.angband traditionally welcomes discussion of all
    Angband derivatives, including distant derivatives like ToME, and is
    extremely low-traffic. I'm not sure there's enough discussion to warrant trying to break that traffic up into multiple groups.

    For the others, rec.games.roguelike.misc is the intended home for
    discussion of games like Dungeon Crawl and Larn, and has almost no
    traffic. The previously-created spinoff group for ADOM seems to be
    completely dead, and I'd worry about the same thing happening with more
    spinoff groups.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  • From David Chmelik@21:1/5 to David Chmelik on Tue Apr 5 00:18:19 2022
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 05:31:11 CST, David Chmelik wrote:

    I propose rec.games.roguelike.dungeon_crawl (or should it be
    dungeon.crawl or dungeoncrawl?,) rec.games.rogulike.larn, rec.games.roguelike.omega, rec.games.roguelike.tome (for Angband
    derivative, not unrelated newer game by same programmer.)

    And rec.games.roguelike.slashem.

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  • From David Chmelik@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Wed Apr 6 06:12:26 2022
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 15:16:02 CST, Russ Allbery wrote:

    David Chmelik <dchmelik@gmail.com> writes:

    I propose rec.games.roguelike.dungeon_crawl (or should it be
    dungeon.crawl or dungeoncrawl?,) rec.games.rogulike.larn,
    rec.games.roguelike.omega, rec.games.roguelike.tome (for Angband
    derivative, not unrelated newer game by same programmer.)

    rec.games.roguelike.angband traditionally welcomes discussion of all
    Angband derivatives, including distant derivatives like ToME, and is extremely low-traffic. I'm not sure there's enough discussion to
    warrant trying to break that traffic up into multiple groups.

    For the others, rec.games.roguelike.misc is the intended home for
    discussion of games like Dungeon Crawl and Larn, and has almost no
    traffic. The previously-created spinoff group for ADOM seems to be completely dead, and I'd worry about the same thing happening with more spinoff groups.

    Above (typo) I meant rec.games.roguelike.larn. Maybe a ToME one is
    unnecessary then, but ToME had so many additions (world map, systems
    including skills/magic/etc. more like AD&D second edition than first)
    it's more than any other Angband variant. ADOM is the only proprietary rec.games.roguelike.* so of course there's less discussion because no one
    can discuss programming their additions/patches/forks and so there's also
    less possible spoilers.

    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 15:16:11 CST, Jason Evans wrote:
    We already have rec.games.roguelike.misc whose description is
    "Rogue-style dungeon games without other groups.". Wouldn't it be better
    to bring that newsgroup back to life and once people there are enough
    people talking about those other games, then create new newsgroups for
    them?

    Maybe in some cases, but already a large part discussion in rec.games.roguelike.nethack is Slash'em; a large part discussion in rec.games.roguelike.angband is/was ToME (unless I'm thinking about on news.gmane.io) a large part of discussion in rec.games.roguelike.misc is/
    was Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup... at least these three (mentioned Slash'em
    in follow-up) have deserved their own newsgroups for over 1 or 2 decades
    (ones that existed 2+) (but apparently the ToME one is on Gmane so
    unnecessary, and a Slash'em development one is there but not a Slash'em
    players one.)

    Also, you forgot Dungeons of Dredmor which is also awesome. [...]

    If it doesn't have an ASCII mode, I don't consider it roguelike and am
    only interested in Free/Libre/Opensource Software (FLS, OSS, FOSS,
    FLOSS; ) discussion in all roguelike newsgroups except one (ADOM)
    includes people programming their updates/patches/forks.

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to David Chmelik on Wed Apr 6 15:07:34 2022
    David Chmelik <dchmelik@gmail.com> writes:

    Maybe in some cases, but already a large part discussion in rec.games.roguelike.nethack is Slash'em; a large part discussion in rec.games.roguelike.angband is/was ToME (unless I'm thinking about on news.gmane.io) a large part of discussion in rec.games.roguelike.misc
    is/ was Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup... at least these three (mentioned
    Slash'em in follow-up) have deserved their own newsgroups for over 1 or
    2 decades (ones that existed 2+) (but apparently the ToME one is on
    Gmane so unnecessary, and a Slash'em development one is there but not a Slash'em players one.)

    So far as I can tell, there have only been about 20 messages posted to rec.games.roguelike.angband in the past year, and only about 5 articles
    posted to rec.games.roguelike.misc. I don't think those discussions are overwhelming the groups.

    rec.games.roguelike.nethack *might* be a different situation (I've seen
    over 500 articles to it), but I'd have to look more closely.

    There have been more messages in rec.games.roguelike.announce than in
    either .angband or .misc (and most of those are the monthly FAQ post).

    Once upon a time about fifteen years ago I probably would have agreed with
    you, but now the traffic volume in all the Rogue-like discussions is so
    low that I think the cross-polination between different games is more
    helpful than harmful to getting more discussion.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Thu Apr 7 00:04:11 2022
    Russ Allbery wrote:

    rec.games.roguelike.nethack *might* be a different situation (I've seen
    over 500 articles to it), but I'd have to look more closely.

    About one message a day last year. It's no longer a high traffic group,
    but not dead yet.

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