I recently saw mention of some great discussions in
net.subculture.usenet. I was able to read some of them from the
archive.org Usenet archives and I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

I thought all of the newsgroups in that hierarchy went away after the
great renaming like to many others or converted to big-7 groups.
Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.


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Jason Evans wrote:

I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 23:18:31 +0200, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

OIC. I didn't realize that's what that was. That's very interesting.



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Hi Jason,

I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.

In control.ctl, net.* has historic state, "almost entirely abandoned".
Maybe it is now totally abandoned?
http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=NET

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Julien ÉLIE

« Ta remise sur pied lui a fait perdre la tête ! » (Astérix)

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On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 14:38:42 +0200, Julien ÉLIE wrote:

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

Wayback Machine is the only thing left:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050818051326/http://www.usenet2.org/


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Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I don't think so.

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Op 8-6-2021 om 23:53 schreef Thomas Hochstein:

Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I don't think so.

I googled and found this site:

<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>

But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
were looking for.
(I am not a computer / internet / usenet expert, just an user)

Rink

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Hi Rink,

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do >>> not seem relevant any longer:
    URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
    Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I googled and found this site:

<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>

But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
were looking for.

Thanks for the pointer, I've just read that page I did not know. It
indeed gives more background about Usenet II. Pretty interesting for
historic purpose.
Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official homepage.
It appears from discussions in this thread that such a homepage no
longer exists. RIP.

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Julien ÉLIE

« Open the black window and type text, to fix the network. »

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Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> writes:

Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official
homepage. It appears from discussions in this thread that such a
homepage no longer exists. RIP.

Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

I've updated control.ctl to remove the legacy control information and make
it clearer that no one is using the hierarchy any more.

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Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:03:25 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

That's sad. It seemed like an interesting project. The archives of net hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested: https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

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Jason Evans wrote:

The archives of net
hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested: https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

-thh

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I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

-thh

It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
newsgroup.

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Jason Evans schrieb:

It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
newsgroup.

Ah, good to know. I'll have a look, then, again.

-thh

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