• Alternative to NNTP / Usenet

    From G.K.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 14 13:05:02 2022
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    Serious question. Serious and direct answers only, please.

    If there were available open source server software for a new protocol
    similar to NNTP, with optional moderated and secret hierarchies, and a
    built-in mixnet for secret, encrypted hierarchies, which of you would
    install and run the server?

    The protocol design would use special cryptographic primitives to enable
    secret hierarchies without revealing the content of the groups therein.
    All peers would route encrypted mix messages by default, unless
    specifically disabled by admin. All mix messages would be broken up into standard-size packets and delay switch routed randomly to obfuscate origin.

    Initially I would not be shipping with a specialized client. That would
    come later. The initial server would respond to some usenet commands
    from newsreaders like Thunderbird, Pan, etc. But those clients would not
    be able to use the encrypted mix features.

    Client proof-of-work would be used to mitigate spam and flood attack.
    Optional signup and authentication would be available for admins who
    don't want random anonymous users and the spam headaches.

    The protocol would not interoperate with NNTP servers, which would be
    totally incompatible with the cryptography and routing architecture.

    It would be designed for zero-configuration setup and automatic peering
    of public text groups out of the box. Just copy the binary to path, set
    a cron or init script to run it, and done. It would automatically sync
    with randomly-chosen peers and switch to a new peer every few minutes.

    How many people would actually run such server? Would there be a demand
    to justify polishing it for production use in the wild?

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    G.K.

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  • From Aioe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 14 21:24:55 2022
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    Il 14/09/22 20:05, G.K. ha scritto:
    If there were available open source server software for a new protocol similar to NNTP, with optional moderated and secret hierarchies, and a built-in mixnet for secret, encrypted hierarchies, which of you would
    install and run the server?

    i may consider to run that service not before having seen that program

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  • From Seth Hurst@21:1/5 to Aioe on Sat Sep 17 01:24:27 2022
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    On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 21:24:55 +0200, Aioe wrote:

    Il 14/09/22 20:05, G.K. ha scritto:
    If there were available open source server software for a new protocol
    similar to NNTP, with optional moderated and secret hierarchies, and a
    built-in mixnet for secret, encrypted hierarchies, which of you would
    install and run the server?

    i may consider to run that service not before having seen that program

    Always down for trying new tech but like messages before me would have to
    see the server and maybe a demo server to see how it actuly works.

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  • From G.K.@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 17 12:16:40 2022
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    Hi Stefan!

    If there were available open source server software for a new protocol similar to NNTP, with optional moderated and secret hierarchies,

    What's the use of secret hierarchies?

    How many people would actually run such server?

    A fraction of the people who run NNTP servers.

    Would there be a demand

    No.

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  • From Andreas Kempe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 17 22:29:47 2022
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    ["Followup-To:"-huvud satt till news.groups.]
    Den 2022-09-14 skrev G.K. <gk@g.k>:
    Serious question. Serious and direct answers only, please.

    If there were available open source server software for a new protocol similar to NNTP, with optional moderated and secret hierarchies, and a built-in mixnet for secret, encrypted hierarchies, which of you would
    install and run the server?

    The protocol design would use special cryptographic primitives to enable secret hierarchies without revealing the content of the groups therein.
    All peers would route encrypted mix messages by default, unless
    specifically disabled by admin. All mix messages would be broken up into standard-size packets and delay switch routed randomly to obfuscate origin.

    Initially I would not be shipping with a specialized client. That would
    come later. The initial server would respond to some usenet commands
    from newsreaders like Thunderbird, Pan, etc. But those clients would not
    be able to use the encrypted mix features.

    Client proof-of-work would be used to mitigate spam and flood attack. Optional signup and authentication would be available for admins who
    don't want random anonymous users and the spam headaches.

    The protocol would not interoperate with NNTP servers, which would be
    totally incompatible with the cryptography and routing architecture.

    It would be designed for zero-configuration setup and automatic peering
    of public text groups out of the box. Just copy the binary to path, set
    a cron or init script to run it, and done. It would automatically sync
    with randomly-chosen peers and switch to a new peer every few minutes.

    How many people would actually run such server? Would there be a demand
    to justify polishing it for production use in the wild?


    Except for the part about moderated secret hierarchies, I think what
    you describe sounds a lot like FMS, Freenet Message System. It is an
    NNTP implementation that uses the distributed Freenet [0] network as a
    storage back-end.

    You create a pseudonym and introduce it on the network by solving
    captchas. Moderation is handled by users rating other users and
    publishing trust lists.

    [0]: https://freenetproject.org/

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/09/2022 19:05, G.K. wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:tft4vj$a96j$1@news.mixmin.net"><br>
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    If there were available open source server software for a new
    protocol similar to NNTP, with optional moderated and secret
    hierarchies, and a built-in mixnet for secret, encrypted
    hierarchies, <br>
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    </blockquote>
    It's a very silly suggestion especially when everybody knows that
    moderated newsgroups and newsgroups that have been filtered by the
    Neo-Nazi, Mafia and Black-September supporting news-masters and
    mistresses. Newsgroups are in decline and there is no point in
    wasting any more time to create yet more of them that are moderated
    and secretive. What for? Nobody is going to subscribe for them.
    People are too wise these days to bend backwards to support Neo-Nazi
    or mafia financed newsgroups.<br>
    <br>
    What is required is to boycott news servers that are hell-bent to
    filter posts that they don't agree with. They might as well shut it
    down and do something else with their remaining lives. Mind you they
    are very old and it's a matter of time when they may not be around
    and so the newsgroups that they are running may also be die with
    them. Look at what happened to news.albasani.net. The owner died of
    cocaine abuse and AIDS and so did his servers.<br>
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