• Looking for peers.

    From Miner@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 9 08:37:21 2022
    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Miner on Sat Jul 9 08:40:25 2022
    Miner wrote:

    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    Over I2P network too.

    --
    Miner

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.invalid on Sat Jul 9 14:10:20 2022
    In article <tabeo0$auh$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    --
    Miner

    Why invalid?
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.invalid on Sat Jul 9 14:49:19 2022
    In article <tac3s7$o5r$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <tabeo0$auh$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    Why invalid?

    Because I won't share my email with everyone.

    --
    Miner

    Looks like something suspicious is happening.

    Do you have a news server name we can refer to?
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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sat Jul 9 14:37:59 2022
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <tabeo0$auh$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    Why invalid?

    Because I won't share my email with everyone.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sat Jul 9 14:31:45 2022
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <tabeto$b65$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Miner wrote:

    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    Over I2P network too.

    Care to give us your details here?

    What exactly? Relevant chapter 6.14 in INN 2.x FAQ contains
    nothing about it.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sat Jul 9 16:10:39 2022
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <tac3s7$o5r$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <tabeo0$auh$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    Why invalid?

    Because I won't share my email with everyone.

    Looks like something suspicious is happening.
    Really?

    Do you have a news server name we can refer to?

    Injection-Info: txtcon.i2p; posting-account="miner";
    This one.

    --
    Miner

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net on Sat Jul 9 21:14:58 2022
    In article <tacfc5$gpd$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
    On 7/9/22 10:10 AM, Miner wrote:
    Really?

    I don't know if it's /suspicious/ or not.

    My opinion is that someone asking to peer while also refraining from
    sharing a valid email address and using a single component name is
    definitely /questionable/ behavior.



    You too smell a rat.


    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die


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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Miner on Sat Jul 9 14:54:26 2022
    On 7/9/22 10:10 AM, Miner wrote:
    Really?

    I don't know if it's /suspicious/ or not.

    My opinion is that someone asking to peer while also refraining from
    sharing a valid email address and using a single component name is
    definitely /questionable/ behavior.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sat Jul 9 20:04:41 2022
    On 7/9/22 3:14 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    You too smell a rat.

    I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.

    But they aren't helping their case.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sun Jul 10 08:41:03 2022
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 7/9/22 3:14 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    You too smell a rat.

    I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.

    But they aren't helping their case.

    I would like to remind you and everyone of your "benefit".


    From: Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid>
    Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
    Subject: Re: Peering problem.
    Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:05:54 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <t241uh$9mb$1@txtcon.i2p>

    Grant Taylor wrote:

    I'd be happy to peer with you, be it UUCP bag files, UUCP pull
    initiated from your end, or something else yet to be
    determined. -- Please send me an email directly so we can
    discuss details.

    Tox is a best communication tool.

    A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

    gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net
    host tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [2600:3c00:e000:1e9::8849]
    SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net>:
    550 5.7.1 <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net>... Fix reverse DNS for IPv6:2a02:180:2:92:3:4:5:6

    --
    Miner

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Miner on Sun Jul 10 08:44:37 2022
    Miner wrote:

    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    No one was willing to peer with me for the past 24 hours. I find
    it pointless to waste time and computing resources on running a
    news server while I have only one newsfeed. I decided to shutting
    down my news server for a few next days.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Miner on Sun Jul 10 11:40:13 2022
    On 7/10/22 2:41 AM, Miner wrote:
    Fix reverse DNS for IPv6:2a02:180:2:92:3:4:5:6


    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sun Jul 10 17:46:27 2022
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 7/10/22 2:41 AM, Miner wrote:
    Fix reverse DNS for IPv6:2a02:180:2:92:3:4:5:6

    From: Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid>
    Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
    Subject: Re: Peering problem.
    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 07:21:04 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <t2694u$5mg$1@txtcon.i2p>

    I already wrote to admin. No reaction from remote side.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Miner on Sun Jul 10 19:40:55 2022
    On 7/10/22 11:46 AM, Miner wrote:
    I already wrote to admin. No reaction from remote side.

    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
    admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Mon Jul 11 10:46:51 2022
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 7/10/22 11:46 AM, Miner wrote:
    I already wrote to admin. No reaction from remote side.

    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you,
    the admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.

    I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the
    barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to
    overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?

    --
    Miner

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Miner on Mon Jul 11 11:09:00 2022
    On 7/11/22 4:46 AM, Miner wrote:
    I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to overcome the obstacle
    for your "benefit"?

    That is not an answer to the question that I asked.

    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
    admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Rod Ent@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Wed Jul 13 05:56:39 2022
    XPost: rocksolid.nodes

    On 7/9/22 21:04, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 7/9/22 3:14 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    You too smell a rat.

    I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.

    But they aren't helping their case.

    Regarding the aroma of rodent, see these Message-ID references:

    Newsgroups: rocksolid.nodes
    References: <911388b6996628e854b8b771e5a83ad8@rocksolidbbs.com> <20220130000704.64a9059d5a113fe178c4fb41@novabbs.com> <50663a0b86fecfa3a9bc75accb60c791@news.novabbs.org>
    <taed1l$ked$1@txtcon.i2p>

    This user, Miner, went through the same rigamarole over on the rocksolid peering group. He said his email to RetroGuy was not getting through
    then he insisted that admin join him in a Tox chat. He became petulant
    about the need for a Tox conference and gave an ultimatum about shutting
    down his peer instead of working out a solution.

    Neither the Tox protocol nor any of the available clients have been
    security vetted. A socat session over Tor would likely be more trustworthy.

    Why is Miner attempting to get multiple NNTP admins to join him in a Tox
    chat when the newsgroups are just fine for this use case?

    Why is he trying to create a sense of urgency?

    --

    Rod Ent

    PWQJUIIJIZ2SJBHQ2WJWOF7EQC567JL4Q5GHOQIFX7XH53BR3RDTEHXW2OEMEOGO

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Wed Jul 13 10:49:41 2022
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <tac3s7$o5r$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner
    <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <tabeo0$auh$1@txtcon.i2p>, Miner
    <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    Why invalid?

    Because I won't share my email with everyone.

    Looks like something suspicious is happening.

    Do you have a news server name we can refer to?

    Indeed, something suspicious happened: collection of information
    and disappointed expectations. Now it will be difficult for you
    to repeat success.

    rejecting[*] <tajtve$f77$14@gallifrey.nk.ca> 439 [*] Fraud.
    rejecting[*] <taks22$2fko$70@gallifrey.nk.ca> 439 [*] Fraud.
    rejecting[*] <tal88c$2abo$18@gallifrey.nk.ca> 439 [*] Fraud.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Ishmel Rowe Dent@21:1/5 to Miner on Wed Jul 13 07:46:02 2022
    On 7/13/22 07:16, Miner wrote:
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 7/11/22 4:46 AM, Miner wrote:
    I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the
    barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to
    overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?

    That is not an answer to the question that I asked.

    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you,
    the admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.

    The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities
    for its use, even a child can do it. You did nothing. Absolutely
    nothing.

    An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable email
    service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable. You are
    exuding crank.

    I could sense your hostility when I first read your exchange with
    RetroGuy on Rocksolid. Even RetroGuy explained to you that he was
    unfamiliar with Tox, and hopefully he was wise enough to not bother
    installing it. NNTP administration is done via email and control
    messages. It is not done via Tox messenger. You are demanding something
    out of the ordinary, then acting petulant when you can't have your way.

    Three people smelled a rat. But they're hypocrites, amirite? You are
    demanding people use a unknown, untrusted protocol to communicate with
    you, when NNTP admins must have a public email in the first place.

    Both the Tox protocol and all the available software for it is an
    obscure, amateurish and insecure hodge-podge of parts. I know the
    character of some of the people who worked on the Tox project and I
    wouldn't trust them with a pet rock. Some unknown person demanding
    strangers to install and use unorganized and un-vetted software that can
    access the audio, video, and other hardware and drivers of the target
    machine just to chat, smells like a bouquet of Roden Tendrons.

    --

    Ishmel Rowe Dent

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Wed Jul 13 12:16:21 2022
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 7/11/22 4:46 AM, Miner wrote:
    I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the
    barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to
    overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?

    That is not an answer to the question that I asked.

    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you,
    the admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.

    The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities
    for its use, even a child can do it. You did nothing. Absolutely
    nothing.

    An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...

    --
    Miner

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  • From Matthew Ernisse@21:1/5 to Rod Ent on Wed Jul 13 14:00:07 2022
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 05:56:39 -0500, Rod Ent wrote:
    On 7/9/22 21:04, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 7/9/22 3:14 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    You too smell a rat.

    I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.

    But they aren't helping their case.

    [ snip ]

    Why is Miner attempting to get multiple NNTP admins to join him in a Tox
    chat when the newsgroups are just fine for this use case?

    Why is he trying to create a sense of urgency?

    I think it's pretty clear from the beginning that they have been acting
    in bad faith and that a reasonable news server administrator should
    avoid peering with them.

    --
    "The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
    --Kosh

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to ishmel@rowe.dent on Wed Jul 13 14:02:24 2022
    In article <tamep7$2r8ph$1@news.mixmin.net>,
    Ishmel Rowe Dent <ishmel@rowe.dent> wrote:
    On 7/13/22 07:16, Miner wrote:
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 7/11/22 4:46 AM, Miner wrote:
    I have offered you a solution that immediately removes the
    barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you do to
    overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?

    That is not an answer to the question that I asked.

    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you,
    the admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.

    The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities
    for its use, even a child can do it. You did nothing. Absolutely
    nothing.

    An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable email
    service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable. You are
    exuding crank.

    I could sense your hostility when I first read your exchange with
    RetroGuy on Rocksolid. Even RetroGuy explained to you that he was
    unfamiliar with Tox, and hopefully he was wise enough to not bother >installing it. NNTP administration is done via email and control
    messages. It is not done via Tox messenger. You are demanding something
    out of the ordinary, then acting petulant when you can't have your way.

    Three people smelled a rat. But they're hypocrites, amirite? You are >demanding people use a unknown, untrusted protocol to communicate with
    you, when NNTP admins must have a public email in the first place.

    Both the Tox protocol and all the available software for it is an
    obscure, amateurish and insecure hodge-podge of parts. I know the
    character of some of the people who worked on the Tox project and I
    wouldn't trust them with a pet rock. Some unknown person demanding
    strangers to install and use unorganized and un-vetted software that can >access the audio, video, and other hardware and drivers of the target
    machine just to chat, smells like a bouquet of Roden Tendrons.
    a

    Fraudulent trolls do not worry me Ishmel.

    --

    Ishmel Rowe Dent


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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to matt@going-flying.com on Wed Jul 13 14:02:49 2022
    In article <slrntctjv7.323ig.matt@imladris.colo.ub3rgeek.net>,
    Matthew Ernisse <matt@going-flying.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 05:56:39 -0500, Rod Ent wrote:
    On 7/9/22 21:04, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 7/9/22 3:14 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    You too smell a rat.

    I /want/ to give Miner the benefit of the doubt.

    But they aren't helping their case.

    [ snip ]

    Why is Miner attempting to get multiple NNTP admins to join him in a Tox
    chat when the newsgroups are just fine for this use case?

    Why is he trying to create a sense of urgency?

    I think it's pretty clear from the beginning that they have been acting
    in bad faith and that a reasonable news server administrator should
    avoid peering with them.


    Hear!! Hear!!!

    --
    "The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
    --Kosh


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  • From Nomen Nescio@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 13 16:13:39 2022
    Hi Stefan!

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Miner on Wed Jul 13 10:04:49 2022
    On 7/13/22 6:16 AM, Miner wrote:
    The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities for
    its use, even a child can do it.

    Yet again you fail or refuse -- I don't think the difference matters --
    to answer my question. (Question copied below for your convenience.)

    --8<--
    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
    admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
    8--

    You did nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    Let's agree to disagree.

    An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...

    I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who goes out
    of their way to make things work and collaborate with people.

    If you won't meet me part way by answering a question, then as far as
    I'm concerned, that's on you.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Matthew Ernisse on Wed Jul 13 10:06:10 2022
    On 7/13/22 8:00 AM, Matthew Ernisse wrote:
    I think it's pretty clear from the beginning that they have been
    acting in bad faith and that a reasonable news server administrator
    should avoid peering with them.

    Agreed.

    It seems as if they would prefer to engage in ad hominem attacks rather
    than answer a simple question.

    My opinion is that all evidence indicates that I want to NOT peer with
    them, despite my desire to keep an open mind.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Ishmel Rowe Dent on Wed Jul 13 17:01:18 2022
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    On 7/13/22 07:16, Miner wrote:
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 7/11/22 4:46 AM, Miner wrote:
    I have offered you a solution that immediately removes
    the barriers to interaction. Please tell us what did you
    do to overcome the obstacle for your "benefit"?

    That is not an answer to the question that I asked.

    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved,
    you, the admin that you wrote, and the original intended
    recipient.

    The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary
    abilities for its use, even a child can do it. You did
    nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
    email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
    You are exuding crank.

    I have more reason to trust amateurish Tox, than "reliable email
    service".

    I could sense your hostility when I first read your exchange
    with RetroGuy on Rocksolid. Even RetroGuy explained to you that
    he was unfamiliar with Tox, and hopefully he was wise enough to
    not bother installing it. NNTP administration is done via email
    and control messages. It is not done via Tox messenger. You are
    demanding something out of the ordinary, then acting petulant
    when you can't have your way.

    The goal was unattainable in the ordinary way.

    You often refer to the canons, I see. These days, the canons have
    unwittingly been mixed with the commercial interests of a third
    party. Obviously, you're demanding me to be a raw material in a
    third party enrichment machine. I won't.

    Three people smelled a rat. But they're hypocrites, amirite?
    You are demanding people use a unknown, untrusted protocol to
    communicate with you, when NNTP admins must have a public email
    in the first place.

    This formality has been completed. Lack of features or broken
    features on remote side is beyond my competence.

    Both the Tox protocol and all the available software for it is
    an obscure, amateurish and insecure hodge-podge of parts. I
    know the character of some of the people who worked on the Tox
    project and I wouldn't trust them with a pet rock. Some unknown
    person demanding strangers to install and use unorganized and
    un-vetted software that can access the audio, video, and other
    hardware and drivers of the target machine just to chat, smells
    like a bouquet of Roden Tendrons.

    I can express tons of criticism of "reliable email service". But
    it's useless.

    P.S. "Remember that amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built
    the Titanic."
    --
    Miner

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Miner on Wed Jul 13 17:55:22 2022
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:48:02 -0000 (UTC),
    Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who
    goes out of their way to make things work and collaborate with
    people.

    The undeniable fact is that your "benefit" was ephemeral.

    Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed
    Grant on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome
    of open mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He
    bolsters my faith in humanity.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Wed Jul 13 17:48:02 2022
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who
    goes out of their way to make things work and collaborate with
    people.

    The undeniable fact is that your "benefit" was ephemeral.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Wed Jul 13 12:32:29 2022
    On 7/13/22 11:55 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
    on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
    mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
    faith in humanity.

    Hi Ted,

    Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone
    appreciates my efforts.

    Have a good day.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net on Wed Jul 13 22:02:49 2022
    In article <tamohq$i51$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
    On 7/13/22 11:55 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
    on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
    mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
    faith in humanity.

    Hi Ted,

    Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone >appreciates my efforts.

    Have a good day.



    Only the good stay reputible.


    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
    Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b They are so full of goodness, they must hide what they are. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net on Wed Jul 13 22:01:35 2022
    In article <tamfsu$ot9$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
    On 7/13/22 6:16 AM, Miner wrote:
    The solution I proposed does not require extraordinary abilities for
    its use, even a child can do it.

    Yet again you fail or refuse -- I don't think the difference matters --
    to answer my question. (Question copied below for your convenience.)

    --8<--
    Please clarify who "remote side" represents.

    As I see it, there are potentially three parties involved, you, the
    admin that you wrote, and the original intended recipient.
    8--

    You did nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    Let's agree to disagree.

    An ephemeral benefit of a hypocritical person...

    I'm confident in my reputation on the Internet as someone who goes out
    of their way to make things work and collaborate with people.

    If you won't meet me part way by answering a question, then as far as
    I'm concerned, that's on you.



    PLease do not feed the troll.


    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
    Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b They are so full of goodness, they must hide what they are. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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  • From jdd@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 08:49:52 2022
    Le 13/07/2022 à 20:32, Grant Taylor a écrit :
    On 7/13/22 11:55 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Though a bystander on this topic, I have to say I've observed Grant
    on Usenet for decades and have found him to be the epitome of open
    mindedness and good faith wilingness to be helpful. He bolsters my
    faith in humanity.

    Hi Ted,

    Thank you. You brought a smile to my face. I'm glad that someone appreciates my efforts.

    Have a good day.



    he not alone. Keep going, Grant!

    jdd

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 14:12:28 2022
    "Important" remarks were made by my opponents in the current
    thread. I notified the author of the FAQ about it. In the next
    edition of the FAQ he will judge us. ;-)

    To: eagle@eyrie.org
    Subject: INN 2.x FAQ
    Message-Id: <20220714132556.1C1845C1212@smtp.postman.i2p>
    Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 13:25:56 +0000 (UTC)

    Subject: 6.14. Find external feeds and set up peering

    After the discussion in group news.admin.peering, it became clear
    that chapter 6.14 of the INN 2.x FAQ need to be updated with the
    following conditions:

    * administrator must have an account on "reliable email service" [1];
    * administrator should assist the third party in achieving
    commercial interests [2].

    It probably makes sense to write a definition of "reliable email
    service" and list them.

    References:
    1. Message-ID: <tamep7$2r8ph$1@news.mixmin.net>
    2. Message-ID: <tamtot$12n$1@txtcon.i2p>
    --
    Miner
    --
    Miner

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  • From Newsmaster@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 16:43:51 2022
    Hi

    I think in all chapter with social interactions
    a Refence to

    https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/442332/the-modern-gentlemans-handbook-by-tyrwhitt-charles/9781529108842

    would be suffice.

    With best regards
    MM

    Am 10.07.2022 um 10:44 schrieb Miner:
    Miner wrote:

    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.

    No one was willing to peer with me for the past 24 hours. I find
    it pointless to waste time and computing resources on running a
    news server while I have only one newsfeed. I decided to shutting
    down my news server for a few next days.




    --
    Diese E-Mail wurde von AVG auf Viren geprüft.
    http://www.avg.com

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Miner on Thu Jul 14 10:45:04 2022
    On 7/14/22 10:28 AM, Miner wrote:
    Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

    I'll add this:

    I consider the desire ~> requirement for valid email address as one of
    network operations. As in server administrators need a reliable way to
    get a hold of each other to communicate about repairing the network when
    the network is down. Or out of bands if you will.

    As such, withholding an email address when requesting to establish
    peering sort of breaks that fundamental tenant of network operation.

    I don't particularly care /what/ the email address is as long as it's a
    usable email address.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Ishmel Rowe Dent on Thu Jul 14 16:28:39 2022
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
    email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
    You are exuding crank.

    Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
    on the stage. Did you read this <87a69bg3bs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org>?

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
    of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
    caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
    --
    Miner

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to jdd on Thu Jul 14 10:46:20 2022
    On 7/14/22 12:49 AM, jdd wrote:
    Le 13/07/2022 à 20:32, Grant Taylor a écrit :
    he not alone. Keep going, Grant!

    Thank you jdd. You too brought a smile to my face.

    I've added both of your complements to my save file.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Newsmaster on Thu Jul 14 10:47:47 2022
    On 7/14/22 8:43 AM, Newsmaster wrote:
    Hi

    Hi MM,

    I think in all chapter with social interactions a Refence to

    https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/442332/the-modern-gentlemans-handbook-by-tyrwhitt-charles/9781529108842

    would be suffice.

    Interesting reference.

    Thank you for sharing MM.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Thu Jul 14 17:40:02 2022
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 10:46:20 -0600,
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
    On 7/14/22 12:49 AM, jdd wrote:
    Le 13/07/2022 ? 20:32, Grant Taylor a ?crit?:
    he not alone. Keep going, Grant!

    Thank you jdd. You too brought a smile to my face.

    I've added both of your complements to my save file.

    Uh-oh, now you've done it. Our compliments do complement each
    other, but...

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Ishmel Rowe Dent@21:1/5 to Miner on Thu Jul 14 12:51:16 2022
    On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
    email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
    You are exuding crank.

    Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
    on the stage. Did you read this <87a69bg3bs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org>?

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
    of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
    caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

    A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server, which presumably is already installed alongside your INN server.

    You already have INN installed, which means you also have a MTA
    installed (usu. postfix) since they ship together in the repos and are
    marked depends by the upstream package manager.

    So create a mailbox and point a MX record to it.

    --

    Ishmel Rowe Dent

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  • From Matthew Ernisse@21:1/5 to Miner on Thu Jul 14 17:58:19 2022
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:

    [ snip ]

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
    of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
    caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable email
    service but I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a
    third party" means in the context of having a reliable email address.

    --
    "The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
    --Kosh

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Matthew Ernisse on Thu Jul 14 12:15:42 2022
    On 7/14/22 11:58 AM, Matthew Ernisse wrote:
    I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a third party"
    means in the context of having a reliable email address.

    My take on that is that you shouldn't depeer with someone who was not
    profiting from their Usenet service just because they started charging
    for access thereto / profiting therefrom. E.g. a small office that has
    a few modems and a Usenet server that allowed employees to dial in from
    home now decides to start selling dial up access to non-employees.

    Either you exchange articles or you don't. Your decision shouldn't be
    based on if the perspective peer is commercially benefiting from the
    peering or not.

    I could see this really being the case if a non-commercial entity is
    getting free peering from a commercial entity and then the
    non-commercial decides to try to cover their costs, thus making the
    commercial entity feel competition.

    But, that's probably an idealistic point of view.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Thu Jul 14 18:10:57 2022
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 7/14/22 10:28 AM, Miner wrote:
    Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

    I'll add this:
    This is irrelevant, not in dispute.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Ishmel Rowe Dent on Thu Jul 14 19:15:54 2022
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
    email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
    You are exuding crank.

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
    of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
    caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

    A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server,
    which presumably is already installed alongside your INN
    server.

    Do I need to register a domain?

    --
    Miner

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Matthew Ernisse on Thu Jul 14 19:21:20 2022
    Matthew Ernisse wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:

    [ snip ]

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
    list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
    without caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
    email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
    interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
    reliable email address.

    Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
    will be helpful, I hope.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Matthew Ernisse@21:1/5 to Miner on Thu Jul 14 19:29:27 2022
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:
    Matthew Ernisse wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:

    [ snip ]

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
    list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
    without caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
    email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
    interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
    reliable email address.

    Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
    will be helpful, I hope.


    They speak for you in articulating your meaning?

    --
    "The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
    --Kosh

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to Matthew Ernisse on Thu Jul 14 20:05:12 2022
    Matthew Ernisse wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 19:21:20 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:
    Matthew Ernisse wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:28:39 -0000 (UTC), Miner wrote:

    [ snip ]

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a
    list of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them
    without caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    I won't assume to speak for others as to defining a reliable
    email service but I don't understand what the "commercial
    interests of a third party" means in the context of having a
    reliable email address.

    Try to get competent advice in the relevant group. alt.privacy
    will be helpful, I hope.


    They speak for you in articulating your meaning?

    I can't guarantee it. Nevertheless, I'm sure there is smart guys
    and our opinions often coincide.

    P.S. I would like to remind you that we are in NEWS.ADMIN.PEERING
    group.

    --
    Miner

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  • From jdd@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 22:45:30 2022
    Le 14/07/2022 à 21:15, Miner a écrit :

    Do I need to register a domain?


    in french, azote.org allows free domains and it's what I use when in
    test period

    there are probably others, I dunno

    jdd

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  • From Ishmel Rowe Dent@21:1/5 to Miner on Thu Jul 14 16:56:34 2022
    On 7/14/22 14:15, Miner wrote:

    Do I need to register a domain?

    Of course. You need a FQDN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc.

    Several countries still offer free domain registrations:

    https://freenom.com

    Email required a domain before the general public could purchase domains
    from commercial registrars. Nothing has changed.

    Your tone and comments tell me that paying for anything online is a
    religious code violation, or you are extremely paranoid and having
    certain opsec expectations. Either way you would do well to relax rather
    than approaching this like a contest. Patience.

    If the issue is keeping your legal identity from exposure, the best
    solution is to buy a pre-paid gift VISA card (such as OneVanilla) and
    use it to register a domain name under a DBA or using your attorney's
    contact information, or just make up a pseudonym. Realize that if you
    register a domain with a pseudonym or invalid mailing address, any DCMA complaint sent to you might eventually result in IANA cancellation for verification failure. So if you allow pirated content, you will
    eventually lose the domain. The second best option is through a free
    registrar like Freenom, which will likely block you from using Tor and
    known VPNs to register on their site, requiring you to use a clearnet connection.

    --

    Ishmel Rowe Dent

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Miner on Thu Jul 14 18:49:47 2022
    On 7/14/22 1:15 PM, Miner wrote:
    Do I need to register a domain?

    Does a domain need to be registered to be able to send email? No.

    Will email be reliable without a domain being registered? No.

    So I would draw the line with anyone who wanted to peer with my server
    to require the ability for a vanilla email client + server to be able to
    send your address at your domain an email.

    N.B. I'm perfectly content with the email address you use being hosted
    by someone else.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From jdd@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 15 08:59:46 2022
    Le 14/07/2022 à 23:56, Ishmel Rowe Dent a écrit :

    Several countries still offer free domain registrations:

    https://freenom.com


    Hello,

    I tried to send a PM but the email don't seems to work

    I wanted to try freenom.com, but do not find a way to register there.
    any random domain I test is marked "not available" as soon as I ask for
    it, and as I can't login I can't use it. May be there are no more
    subscription possible?

    thanks
    jdd

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  • From Miner@21:1/5 to jdd on Fri Jul 15 08:30:26 2022
    jdd wrote:

    Le 14/07/2022 23:56, Ishmel Rowe Dent a crit :

    Several countries still offer free domain registrations:

    I wanted to try freenom.com, but do not find a way to register
    there. any random domain I test is marked "not available" as

    Try to offer them money and see the result. :-) Perhaps another
    one commercial piece of shit.

    --
    Miner

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Fri Jul 15 10:57:18 2022
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
    Matthew Ernisse wrote:
    I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a third party"
    means in the context of having a reliable email address.

    My take on that is that you shouldn't depeer with someone who was not profiting from their Usenet service just because they started charging
    for access thereto / profiting therefrom. E.g. a small office that
    has a few modems and a Usenet server that allowed employees to dial in
    from home now decides to start selling dial up access to
    non-employees.

    Either you exchange articles or you don't. Your decision shouldn't be
    based on if the perspective peer is commercially benefiting from the
    peering or not.

    I wouldn’t reject a commerical peer but in my opinion people are free to
    peer with whoever they want, using their preferred criteria.

    Peers I would reject:
    * A peer I can’t contact if there is a problem. In practice this means
    working email that is read at least occasionally.
    * A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending binaries. My filter can deal with
    them but I’d rather not have the resource usage.
    * A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending material illegal in a jurisdiction
    I care about. Mostly binaries I suspect but I don’t want to process
    illegal bytes even just to reject them. (This is mostly about peers
    where illegal material is directly injected; they need to make better
    judgements about their end users.)
    * Weird connectivity arrangements. If I can’t just drop a hostname into
    my config then it’s not going to work. UUCP counts as weird for these
    purposes.

    --
    https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Richard Kettlewell on Fri Jul 15 12:00:06 2022
    On 7/15/22 3:57 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
    I wouldn’t reject a commerical peer but in my opinion people are
    free to peer with whoever they want, using their preferred criteria.

    Agreed.

    Peers I would reject:

    * A peer I can’t contact if there is a problem.
    * A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending binaries.
    * A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending material illegal in a
    jurisdiction I care about.
    * Weird connectivity arrangements.

    These all seem perfectly reasonable to me.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Ishmel Rowe Dent@21:1/5 to Miner on Mon Jul 25 20:25:28 2022
    On 7/14/22 14:15, Miner wrote:
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
    email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
    You are exuding crank.

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
    of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
    caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

    A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server,
    which presumably is already installed alongside your INN
    server.

    Do I need to register a domain?


    Of course. You need a FDQN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc. Do you
    have some kind of objection to obtaining a domain? If you do, give up
    now. The Internet and its siblings are not for you in that case.

    Tokelau and a few other countries' domains are still free:

    https://freenom.com

    Email required a domain before the general public could purchase domains
    from commercial registrars. Nothing has changed. You seem to expect
    others to agree that paying for anything online is a imposition. If that
    is the case, you're not ever going to have it your way and you should
    just give up now.

    I still suspect that you are a troll who has an axe to grind and isn't
    being quite honest about his intentions. It's really simple. If you want
    to set up and peer a Usenet server, you do it the way nearly everyone
    else has been doing it for 40 friggin' years, and stop your bellyaching
    and yea butting, and do it, or find something else to do, or invent an alternative that works the way you want and write the source code for it.

    --

    Ishmel Rowe Dent

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  • From Ishmel Rowe Dent@21:1/5 to Miner on Mon Jul 25 20:20:02 2022
    On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
    email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
    You are exuding crank.

    Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
    on the stage. Did you read this <87a69bg3bs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org>?

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
    of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
    caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

    A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) run your own MTA server.

    Mail servers are free. You have numerous open-source options to choose
    from. You can run it on a cheap VPS, a Bitcoin compute instance, or a
    old computer in your basement. My first email server was set up 25 years
    ago on a aged Dell tower that my employer tossed out when the new
    servers came in. It cost me nothing. I had zero experience administering
    mail and DNS yet I managed to have it set up in a few hours.

    Today I run my own MTA on my own rented server. I manage my own DNS and
    MX records there so I know it will be reliable. The server costs less
    than $20.00 USD per year. Each domain name costs from 9.99 to 16.00 per
    year. That's cheap. It hasn't had a hiccup in the last eighteen months
    or so.

    Your objection of "commercial interests of a third party" is out of
    place here--it's non-sequitur. One must pay for an Internet connection
    and that generally costs much more than a mail agent installed on a
    cheap VPS. Even if you access through a cell phone, the phone bill for
    one month is more than a year for a VPS and domain name.

    If you think you're getting one over on the man by saving $30, you're
    not quite grasping how this all works. There is nothing wrong with
    commercial interests providing basic access services for dirt cheap.
    Before the Internet was "commercialized" it was a walled garden open
    only to the elite and their academic slaves and totally controlled by government and academia. They've been trying to put the genie back in
    the bottle for 30+ years with the panopticon. It's not ever going back.
    The panopticon will fail in the end.

    When you pay someone for a useful software-as-a-service you are not
    merely "caring about commercial interests." You are funding the
    maintenance of infrastructure that saves all of us a lot of hassle. But
    no one is requiring a paid service to peer with your NNTP node. They're
    just requiring an email address where they can be sure to contact you.

    I will go on further to say that email is *never* going away. In 100
    years email will still be the fundamental contact bridge on public
    networks, if we haven't blown ourselves back to the stone age by then.
    Email's design, although flawed and subject to improvements, is
    fundamentally the right fit for every scope of infrastructure that has
    come after. A email address points to a domain, then a user folder on
    that domain. This is the fundamental concept of everything as a file
    path. What email really is is a virtual filesystem bridge between
    domains. My email message to you is a file, that gets copied by me, to
    your folder (inbox). This was the case even before the Internet was open
    to commercial usage.

    If you want free email there's always elude.in, riseup, danwin1210.de, tildemail, vivaldi, and many others.

    You said you already run a INN server, so why not install dovecot or
    exim and set up some MX records for your own mailer? Generally you must
    install a MTA to install INN anyway, so you're already 2/3 of the way
    there. If you use a admin panel like webmin or hestiacp, all the heavy
    lifting is done for you in a graphical interface so you never have to
    edit bind or server configs by hand.

    Over the years I have seen peering discussions of totally anonymous
    persons who have successfully gotten peered, even though the other
    admins don't know their real identity. If you are concerned about doxing
    your identity, use a prepaid credit card to get your VPS and domain
    name, and set up your mail server that way. You may use a pseudonym.
    Nobody really cares. What they do care about though is toxicity and
    pointless accusations that are not even tangential to the issues. If you
    show that you are making good faith contribution to the white hat hacker culture, nobody cares about your real name. But if you are acting shady, hackles prickle up.

    I myself am eventually going to set up a NNTP server using a pseudonym
    and I'd wager I won't have any problem getting several admins here to
    peer with my node. Once they see my pseudo and my git repos, they'll
    know I've been involved in 'the scene' with good intentions and we'll
    just move forward.

    You came in here with an imperious attitude, with strange expectations.
    When this is pointed out, rather than learning from it, you want to
    double down. You're not teachable. Everyone needs to be open to correction--even the most talented hackers make mistakes. The best learn
    from those mistakes. The worst mistake is a bad attitude.

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    Ishmel Rowe Dent

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  • From Ishmel Rowe Dent@21:1/5 to Miner on Mon Jul 25 20:21:15 2022
    On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
    Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:

    The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
    email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
    You are exuding crank.

    Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
    on the stage. Did you read this <87a69bg3bs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org>?

    Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
    of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
    caring about commercial interests of a third party?

    Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

    This smells like some Kerman crank. He's such a tender muffin. We don't necessarily have a rat. We may have a sausage.

    Run your own MTA.

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    Ishmel Rowe Dent

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  • From noel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 26 22:41:14 2022
    Do I need to register a domain?


    Of course. You need a FDQN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc. Do you
    have some kind of objection to obtaining a domain? If you do, give up
    now. The Internet and its siblings are not for you in that case.

    If he/she doesn't have a domain who is going to bother sending a feed to
    a dynamic dns host, I mean if you cant be F'd registering a domain for
    what... 10 bucs a year... you are not serious and should just go away and
    let the grown ups play

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Miner on Wed Jul 27 19:40:52 2022
    On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:37:21 -0000 (UTC)
    Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I am looking for an additional peers.

    I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
    Yggdrasil network only.


    After starting to browse the thread which ended up TLDR;

    Personally, I find usenet over i2p to be dodgy in the first place.
    People find a way around having a dynamic IP such as using an ipv6
    tunnel, which is what I did to start with.

    Second, you're asking a lot of people to make exceptions for one
    server, and your attitude is combative and standoffish. Nobody wants to
    deal with an awkward peer. Remember, you are asking us to share our
    resources with you. We're under no obligation to provide you with
    anything and you hosting a usenet server is not doing us any favors.

    I would gladly give you a feed over ipv6 if you had a different
    attitude, but I may not be popular with my fellow peers for doing so.
    You may have burnt your bridges here.

    Go away, regroup, think of a different strategy, don't demand people
    conform to your needs but you confirm to what has worked for decades
    than you may find some of us a little more receptive.

    Respecfully,


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    End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
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