• Young people peering

    From The Doctor@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 14 12:11:22 2024
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    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
    --
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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 14 14:59:18 2024
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    On 14.04.2024 um 12:11 Uhr The Doctor wrote:

    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Did dome exist?

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1713089482muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Apr 14 13:02:26 2024
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    The Doctor wrote:

    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Maybe they found out that it takes effort?

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From rek2 hispagatos@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sun Apr 14 16:11:00 2024
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    On 2024-04-14, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
    On 4/14/24 08:02, Retro Guy wrote:
    Maybe they found out that it takes effort?

    LOL


    Chuckle.

    There does seem to be an inverse relationship between the amount of
    effort to do something and the number of people doing it.

    I am not young but we created a node like 10 months a go
    news.hispagatos.org and we been getting people to sing up.

    Happy Hacking
    ReK2

    --
    - {gemini,https}://{,rek2.}hispagatos.org - mastodon: @rek2@hispagatos.space
    - [https|gemini]://2600.Madrid - https://hispagatos.space/@rek2
    - https://keyoxide.org/A31C7CE19D9C58084EA42BA26C0B0D11E9303EC5

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Sun Apr 14 10:55:55 2024
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    On 4/14/24 08:02, Retro Guy wrote:
    Maybe they found out that it takes effort?

    Chuckle.

    There does seem to be an inverse relationship between the amount of
    effort to do something and the number of people doing it.



    --
    Grant. . . .

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Apr 14 17:55:38 2024
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    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Bruh, Usenet? Seriously? I thought that shit died out in the 90s,
    like, who even uses that anymore? I mean, come on, it's 2024 -
    we got way better ways to get our info and connect with people
    these days. Why would I even bother setting up some old-school
    Usenet server when I got Reddit, Discord, and all these other
    modern platforms that are way more user-friendly and relevant?

    Like, Usenet was cool back in the day, I guess, but it's just so
    outdated now. The interface is clunky, the communities are tiny,
    and good luck finding anything useful that isn't buried in a
    million random posts. Nah, I'm good - I'll stick to the apps and
    sites I already use, where I can actually find the content and
    communities I care about. Usenet? That's some boomer shit, man.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Mon Apr 15 01:14:26 2024
    On 14 Apr 2024 17:55:38 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote: >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Usenet was cool back in the day

    social media is moderated and controlled by agencies that control the system; mainstream media is strictly commercial, catering to those inside the system, thus has always been strictly controlled by those that control the narrative; whereas, unmoderated usenet newsgroups are all-inclusive, meaning even those outside the system may participate, and lurkers could outnumber contributors and participants by a wide margin; unmoderated is synonymous with uncensored; everyone knows it's typical for active newsgroups to get spammed and trolled, and since google's exit, usenet is probably getting more popular, not less...

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  • From rek2 hispagatos@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 14 23:32:41 2024
    On 2024-04-14, D <J@M> wrote:
    On 14 Apr 2024 17:55:38 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Usenet was cool back in the day

    social media is moderated and controlled by agencies that control the system; mainstream media is strictly commercial, catering to those inside the system, thus has always been strictly controlled by those that control the narrative; whereas, unmoderated usenet newsgroups are all-inclusive, meaning even those outside the system may participate, and lurkers could outnumber contributors and participants by a wide margin; unmoderated is synonymous with uncensored; everyone knows it's typical for active newsgroups to get spammed and trolled, and since google's exit, usenet is probably getting more popular, not less...


    +1 I agree, the reason many people we do not like to use the "popular"
    social networks vary but mainly is "data mining", "privacy", "closed
    source", "centralized", "you are the product" ..... the only etical
    social network now in existance using http is the fediverse, mastodon,
    pixelfed and so on...


    --
    - {gemini,https}://{,rek2.}hispagatos.org - mastodon: @rek2@hispagatos.space
    - [https|gemini]://2600.Madrid - https://hispagatos.space/@rek2
    - https://keyoxide.org/A31C7CE19D9C58084EA42BA26C0B0D11E9303EC5

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From SugarBug@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Sun Apr 14 23:36:54 2024
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    On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 13:02:26 +0000
    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:

    The Doctor wrote:

    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Maybe they found out that it takes effort?

    ^^^ this.


    Gunnery Sergeant Youzenett B. Hardman says:

    "... my orders are to weed out all non-hackers
    who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps."

    --
    www.sybershock.com | sci.crypt | alt.sources.crypto | alt.lite.bulb

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Mon Apr 15 16:00:13 2024
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    Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote at 17:55 this Sunday (GMT):
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Bruh, Usenet? Seriously? I thought that shit died out in the 90s,
    like, who even uses that anymore? I mean, come on, it's 2024 -
    we got way better ways to get our info and connect with people
    these days. Why would I even bother setting up some old-school
    Usenet server when I got Reddit, Discord, and all these other
    modern platforms that are way more user-friendly and relevant?

    Like, Usenet was cool back in the day, I guess, but it's just so
    outdated now. The interface is clunky, the communities are tiny,
    and good luck finding anything useful that isn't buried in a
    million random posts. Nah, I'm good - I'll stick to the apps and
    sites I already use, where I can actually find the content and
    communities I care about. Usenet? That's some boomer shit, man.


    But you're using Usenet.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Mon Apr 15 16:00:35 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    In article <uvjiuc$c7v0$4@dont-email.me>,
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote at 17:55 this Sunday (GMT):
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Bruh, Usenet? Seriously? I thought that shit died out in the 90s,
    like, who even uses that anymore? I mean, come on, it's 2024 -
    we got way better ways to get our info and connect with people
    these days. Why would I even bother setting up some old-school
    Usenet server when I got Reddit, Discord, and all these other
    modern platforms that are way more user-friendly and relevant?

    Like, Usenet was cool back in the day, I guess, but it's just so
    outdated now. The interface is clunky, the communities are tiny,
    and good luck finding anything useful that isn't buried in a
    million random posts. Nah, I'm good - I'll stick to the apps and
    sites I already use, where I can actually find the content and
    communities I care about. Usenet? That's some boomer shit, man.


    But you're using Usenet.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

    :-)
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

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  • From D@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Mon Apr 15 19:32:40 2024
    On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:00:13 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote at 17:55 this Sunday (GMT):
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Bruh, Usenet? Seriously? I thought that shit died out in the 90s,
    like, who even uses that anymore? I mean, come on, it's 2024 -
    we got way better ways to get our info and connect with people
    these days. Why would I even bother setting up some old-school
    Usenet server when I got Reddit, Discord, and all these other
    modern platforms that are way more user-friendly and relevant?

    Like, Usenet was cool back in the day, I guess, but it's just so
    outdated now. The interface is clunky, the communities are tiny,
    and good luck finding anything useful that isn't buried in a
    million random posts. Nah, I'm good - I'll stick to the apps and
    sites I already use, where I can actually find the content and
    communities I care about. Usenet? That's some boomer shit, man.

    But you're using Usenet.

    it's the same old psyops/troll-farm/sock-puppet "tokyo rose" tactics, especially since the invincible google monster was vinced from these
    public newsgroup forums now only 53 days ago; unmoderated newsgroups
    have ever been anathema to the system where free speech is forbidden

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  • From Niklas H@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Mon Apr 15 21:44:30 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 4/14/24 14:11, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    We grew old. Or at least realized that at 42 you are no longer
    considered "young".
    Still want to set up a Usenet node, though.

    Cheers!

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  • From SugarBug@21:1/5 to Niklas H on Mon Apr 15 15:08:38 2024
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    On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 21:44:30 +0200
    Niklas H <nntp@snackiz.com> wrote:

    On 4/14/24 14:11, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    We grew old. Or at least realized that at 42 you are no longer
    considered "young".
    Still want to set up a Usenet node, though.

    Here ya go: https://gitlab.com/rslight-public/rocksolid-light

    --
    www.sybershock.com | sci.crypt | alt.sources.crypto | alt.lite.bulb

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 15 20:21:13 2024
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    According to The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Some of us are still around albeit not exatly young.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to nntp@snackiz.com on Mon Apr 15 22:15:12 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    In article <uvk02u$evdd$1@dont-email.me>, Niklas H <nntp@snackiz.com> wrote: >On 4/14/24 14:11, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    We grew old. Or at least realized that at 42 you are no longer
    considered "young".
    Still want to set up a Usenet node, though.

    Cheers!

    Hey! This was a high school project request
    that came her in the las 6 months!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Ritz@21:1/5 to John Levine on Tue Apr 16 14:10:42 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On Monday, 15 April 2024 16:21 -0000, in article <uvk27p$168e$1@gal.iecc.com>,
    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

    According to The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Some of us are still around albeit not exatly young.

    I resemble that remark, John.

    --
    David Ritz <dritz@panix.com>
    Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to gmkeros@gmail.com on Tue Apr 16 21:29:42 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote: >On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
    few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Wed Apr 17 11:03:46 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
    few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.

    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".

    --
    Retro Guy

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Kyonshi on Wed Apr 17 12:42:41 2024
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    Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
    define young.

    I reckon it boils down to this:

    Folks live to be around 75 years old, then kick the bucket.

    Now, that number "75" kinda naturally lends itself to
    a three-way split, if you catch my drift, at 25 and 50.

    That means: until you hit 25, you're still young,
    and once you hit 50, you're old.

    When you hit the big 5-0, you're starin' down the barrel of the
    last leg of this here life journey, the pre-mortal phase,
    if you will. This is your last hurrah, your final shot at
    checkin' off all those items on your bucket list - you know, like
    finally gettin' around to setting up your very own Usenet server,
    if that's what's been ticklin' your fancy all these years.

    Now, I know what you're thinkin' - "But Stefan, I'm no spring
    chicken anymore, how the heck am I supposed to pull off some
    high-tech Usenet shenanigans at this stage of the game?"

    Well, let me tell you, age ain't nothin' but a number, my friend.
    If the fire's still burnin' in your belly, you gotta seize the
    day and make it happen, no matter how long in the tooth you might
    be. So, what are you waitin' for? Quit yer bellyachin' and get to
    work on that Usenet server, before the ol' ticker gives out and
    you miss your chance to cross it off the list. Time's a-wastin',
    and you ain't gettin' any younger, ya hear?

    Now, let me circle back to that last message I sent in this
    here discussion thread:

    I was just tryin' to paint a picture of what I reckon the young'uns
    these days think about the Usenet, not spoutin' off my own two
    cents, 'cause shoot, I ain't no spring chicken myself anymore.

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Kyonshi on Wed Apr 17 12:35:40 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    Kyonshi wrote:

    On 4/17/2024 1:03 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi
    <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>
    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on
    a few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least
    three times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing
    the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of
    "the kids".


    Or they realised that it was more work than they thought for not enough shiny, and they had to rework their plans.
    It's not necessarily that people just give up because stuff is hard,
    there is limited time in the day and people have other stuff to do.

    Very true. I just mention school IT because my wife works in education and constantly has battles with IT blocking pretty much everything, which drives her nuts :)

    Drives me nuts too because she can't get to a lot of sites using her laptop at home, and asks me what's wrong with "the internet". I have to tell her it's the spyware/blocking software installed by her district on the laptop.

    --
    Retro Guy

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Wed Apr 17 15:52:19 2024
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:03:46 +0000, Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote: >The Doctor wrote:
    snip

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".

    could be . . . no hall monitors

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 17 16:35:42 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 17.04.2024 um 12:35 Uhr Retro Guy wrote:

    Very true. I just mention school IT because my wife works in
    education and constantly has battles with IT blocking pretty much
    everything, which drives her nuts :)

    When I was in school I set up squid to go around of this. This was in
    2017 and my first "server software" I operated.

    Every time people install obstacles, I will spend a lot of time to
    circumvent them and learn a lot of things.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1713350140muell@cartoonies.org

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to gmkeros@gmail.com on Wed Apr 17 15:39:50 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    In article <uvodbh$1jboj$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote: >On 4/17/2024 1:03 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi
    <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>
    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on
    a few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least
    three times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing
    the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of
    "the kids".


    Or they realised that it was more work than they thought for not enough >shiny, and they had to rework their plans.
    It's not necessarily that people just give up because stuff is hard,
    there is limited time in the day and people have other stuff to do.

    Actually the more work you do, the more you get familiar!

    Getting high schools to a Usenet project should be
    the advocacy of everyone here!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Wed Apr 17 15:26:16 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    Marco Moock wrote:

    On 17.04.2024 um 12:35 Uhr Retro Guy wrote:

    Very true. I just mention school IT because my wife works in
    education and constantly has battles with IT blocking pretty much
    everything, which drives her nuts :)

    When I was in school I set up squid to go around of this. This was in
    2017 and my first "server software" I operated.

    I did the same while working for a large corp.

    When I was in school, the only squid was what lived in the ocean :)

    --
    Retro Guy

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From SugarBug@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Wed Apr 17 13:07:39 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:39:50 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

    Getting high schools to a Usenet project should be
    the advocacy of everyone here!

    Moderated NNTP newsgroups are well-suited to academic environments.

    In certain academic and scientific circles much communication is still done via email using clients that still have built-in NNTP capability.

    --
    www.sybershock.com | sci.crypt | alt.sources.crypto | alt.lite.bulb

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From SugarBug@21:1/5 to Kyonshi on Wed Apr 17 13:10:12 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 18:57:22 +0200
    Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

    Especially if it's something as complicated
    as setting up a working nntp server

    The community could bridge that gap with automagic configuration scripts and a GUI / TUI config client.

    Rocksolid is on that track.

    --
    www.sybershock.com | sci.crypt | alt.sources.crypto | alt.lite.bulb

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to gmkeros@gmail.com on Wed Apr 17 21:06:29 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    In article <uvovq7$1nbp8$3@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote: >On 4/17/2024 5:39 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <uvodbh$1jboj$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/17/2024 1:03 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi
    <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>>>
    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on >>>>>> a few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least >>>>>> three times since I decided to do that it might still take a while. >>>>>>
    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing >>>>> the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of
    "the kids".


    Or they realised that it was more work than they thought for not enough
    shiny, and they had to rework their plans.
    It's not necessarily that people just give up because stuff is hard,
    there is limited time in the day and people have other stuff to do.

    Actually the more work you do, the more you get familiar!

    Getting high schools to a Usenet project should be
    the advocacy of everyone here!

    I'm not saying it's not worth it, I'm just saying they might have to >restructure their plans because school projects have a certain amount of
    time allocated to them, and once it's getting close to the completion
    date it's just not possible to do everything. Especially if it's
    something as complicated as setting up a working nntp server if even the >terminal might not be the first thing people think about when using >computers.

    (I learned how to use computers on DOS, my son doesn't have a clue what
    this black thing I am using for work is)

    At this level , Internet should be defined as
    a network of computers running various services.
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

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  • From rek2 hispagatos@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 18 01:29:59 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp


    The community could bridge that gap with automagic configuration scripts and a GUI / TUI config client.

    Rocksolid is on that track.


    This above, 100% agree.


    Happy Hacking
    ReK2

    --
    - {gemini,https}://{,rek2.}hispagatos.org - mastodon: @rek2@hispagatos.space
    - [https|gemini]://2600.Madrid - https://hispagatos.space/@rek2
    - https://keyoxide.org/A31C7CE19D9C58084EA42BA26C0B0D11E9303EC5

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Apr 18 15:20:10 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.

    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".


    Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
    (yes really)
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 18 15:39:39 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>
    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.

    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".


    Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
    (yes really)

    Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.

    When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 18 16:26:17 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:39 this Thursday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>>>
    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.

    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".


    Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
    (yes really)

    Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.

    When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.


    It's even worse here, because like some of the clubs use it actively and
    had to get a hotspot to even work.

    What a pain :(

    Seems many districts just block things by default. It's paranoia in my opinion. I know the IT head, and he has a god complex.

    At least they block wikipedia at her district :)

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Apr 18 16:20:08 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:39 this Thursday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>>
    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.

    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".


    Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
    (yes really)

    Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.

    When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.


    It's even worse here, because like some of the clubs use it actively and
    had to get a hotspot to even work.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Apr 18 19:03:08 2024
    On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 15:39:39 +0000, Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote: >candycanearter07 wrote:
    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
    The Doctor wrote:
    snip
    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".

    Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
    (yes really)

    Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.
    When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using >some bad website. I had to explain it to her.

    hmm...

    (using Tor Browser 13.0.14)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub
    GitHub has been the target of censorship from governments using methods ranging
    from local Internet service provider blocks, intermediary blocking using methods
    such as DNS hijacking and man-in-the-middle attacks, and denial-of-service attacks
    on GitHub's servers from countries including China, India, Iraq, Russia, and Turkey.
    In all of these cases, GitHub has been eventually unblocked after backlash from
    users and technology businesses or compliance from GitHub.
    Background
    GitHub is a web-based Git repository hosting service and is primarily used to host
    the source code of software, facilitate project management, and provide distributed
    revision control functionality of Git, access control, wikis, and bug tracking.[1]
    As of June 2023, GitHub reports having over 100 million users and over 330 million
    repositories.[2] It offers free accounts, a pastebin service called Gist, and free
    website hosting under its github.io domain. The GitHub terms of service prohibits
    illegal use and it reserves the right to remove content at its discretion.[3] Users
    can fork (copy and individually develop) other projects, which GitHub does not >automatically take down when served DMCA takedown notices.[4] GitHub uses HTTPS for
    its connections, making data more secure against interception from third parties.
    [end quoted excerpt]

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=school+district+github+blocked . . . ?

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Apr 18 17:10:08 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 16:26 this Thursday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:39 this Thursday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT): >>>>> The Doctor wrote:

    In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>>>>
    define young.

    I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.

    maybe next week or so

    There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!

    I remember. They just kind of disappeared.

    The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".


    Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github >>>> (yes really)

    Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.

    When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.


    It's even worse here, because like some of the clubs use it actively and
    had to get a hotspot to even work.

    What a pain :(

    Seems many districts just block things by default. It's paranoia in my opinion. I know the IT head, and he has a god complex.

    At least they block wikipedia at her district :)


    Wikipedia is fine
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Apr 18 13:14:19 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 4/18/24 11:26, Retro Guy wrote:
    Seems many districts just block things by default. It's paranoia in my opinion.

    I used to help a k-8 school district and they had legal obligations to
    filter / block some things.

    The school board decided to only allow specific things and block
    everything else. It's really the only safe way to be reasonably sure
    that students aren't going to the latest and greatest undesirable site.



    --
    Grant. . . .

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Thu Apr 18 11:42:47 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:

    The school board decided to only allow specific things and block
    everything else. It's really the only safe way to be reasonably sure
    that students aren't going to the latest and greatest undesirable site.

    Also, in some cases more relevantly, it's the only way to mostly avoid
    having some parent scream at you for exposing their child to something
    they disapprove of. The parents who think their children should have reasonable Internet access tend to get out-shouted by the parents who
    think that any exposure to parentally unapproved material may transform
    their precious 17-year-olds into hardened criminals or damned atheists.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

    Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
    <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Thu Apr 18 19:47:39 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 17 Apr 2024 12:42:41 GMT
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

    Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
    define young.

    I reckon it boils down to this:

    Folks live to be around 75 years old, then kick the bucket.

    Now, that number "75" kinda naturally lends itself to
    a three-way split, if you catch my drift, at 25 and 50.

    That means: until you hit 25, you're still young,
    and once you hit 50, you're old.

    When you hit the big 5-0, you're starin' down the barrel of the
    last leg of this here life journey, the pre-mortal phase,
    []



    I was just tryin' to paint a picture of what I reckon the young'uns
    these days think about the Usenet, not spoutin' off my own two
    cents, 'cause shoot, I ain't no spring chicken myself anymore.


    If you wish to communicate here, you'd be advised to stop posting
    via your 8 year old hick cousin. Jus' Sayin'.
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to John on Fri Apr 19 09:07:39 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    In news.software.nntp Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    On 17 Apr 2024 12:42:41 GMT
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
    Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
    define young.

    I reckon it boils down to this:

    Folks live to be around 75 years old, then kick the bucket.

    Now, that number "75" kinda naturally lends itself to
    a three-way split, if you catch my drift, at 25 and 50.

    That means: until you hit 25, you're still young,
    and once you hit 50, you're old.

    When you hit the big 5-0, you're starin' down the barrel of the
    last leg of this here life journey, the pre-mortal phase,
    []

    I was just tryin' to paint a picture of what I reckon the young'uns
    these days think about the Usenet, not spoutin' off my own two
    cents, 'cause shoot, I ain't no spring chicken myself anymore.


    If you wish to communicate here, you'd be advised to stop posting
    via your 8 year old hick cousin. Jus' Sayin'.

    I for one have been quite enjoying the recent emergence of this
    "hick cousin" here and in other groups. Far more entertaining than
    anyone attempting to "define young" in purely technical terms.

    --
    __ __
    #_ < |\| |< _#

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  • From SugarBug@21:1/5 to Russ Allbery on Thu Apr 18 18:34:52 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:42:47 -0700
    Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

    he parents who think their children should have
    reasonable Internet access tend to get out-shouted by the parents who
    think that any exposure to parentally unapproved material may transform
    their precious 17-year-olds into hardened criminals or damned atheists.

    "Reasonable internet access ..."

    Excuse me while I hysterically laugh myself to death!

    There is no level of "reasonable internet access" for anyone under the age of 40. No psyche is left undamaged by even brief exposure to cyberspace. I'm certain the Usenet trolls already proved that at least two decades ago.

    --
    www.sybershock.com | sci.crypt | alt.sources.crypto | alt.lite.bulb

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  • From Russ Allbery@21:1/5 to SugarBug on Thu Apr 18 16:52:15 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:
    Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

    The parents who think their children should have reasonable Internet
    access tend to get out-shouted by the parents who think that any
    exposure to parentally unapproved material may transform their precious
    17-year-olds into hardened criminals or damned atheists.

    "Reasonable internet access ..."

    Excuse me while I hysterically laugh myself to death!

    There is no level of "reasonable internet access" for anyone under the
    age of 40. No psyche is left undamaged by even brief exposure to
    cyberspace. I'm certain the Usenet trolls already proved that at least
    two decades ago.

    Well, yes, deciding the Internet was a bad idea and no one should use it
    is also a position one could have. :) Some days I'd even agree with you!

    I'm pretty sure it's also pretty bad for people over 40 years old. There
    is a brief moment on your 40th birthday when the Internet is safe and you should treasure it. Retroactively if necessary.

    --
    Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

    Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
    <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 19 09:12:32 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 18.04.2024 um 13:14 Uhr Grant Taylor wrote:

    The school board decided to only allow specific things and block
    everything else. It's really the only safe way to be reasonably sure
    that students aren't going to the latest and greatest undesirable
    site.

    Until they heard of SSL-VPN (via TCP port 443). That can be easily
    implemented in ocserv on Linux and looks like normal web traffic.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1713438859muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 19 14:56:11 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    They came aboard and saw what kind of network they'd be supporting, and
    they noped out.

    I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each time,
    I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across, one of whom I quote directly and whose question I am responding to.

    As of Sun, 14 Apr 2024 12:11:22 -0000 (UTC), in message uvgh5a$1d8l$10@gallifrey.nk.ca, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
    wrote:

    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    --
    Lightning Bjornsson <dragon.nntp@chatspeed.net> - Member Switchposters
    United for Justice - <https://spufj.trd.is./>

    Some people don't like multiline signatures. I kindly request that they
    keep their concerns in their own brains. Usenet isn't what it used to be.
    The servers are more powerful, have more storage, and have faster uplinks
    in even the worst cases. Long sigs can't hurt you anymore.

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Fri Apr 19 09:33:39 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 4/19/24 02:12, Marco Moock wrote:
    Until they heard of SSL-VPN (via TCP port 443). That can be easily implemented in ocserv on Linux and looks like normal web traffic.

    Except for the fact that the school used a TLS bumping proxy and you
    couldn't initiate TLS traffic without passing through the bumping proxy.
    The bumping proxy could effectively block TLS VPNs.

    Access to the Internet is not the same as being on the Internet. The
    school computers had access to the Internet. Access that was easily
    filtered / blocked.

    Trying to usurp the filtering garnered an unpleasant conversation.

    It was more pleasant to try to connect to a site, find out it was
    blocked, fill out the form to request it be unblocked, and follow the
    process.

    Sometimes they would allow a student to use a teacher's computer (or the teacher could sign in to a student computer / proxy) and the teacher
    could supervise what the student was doing.

    It worked well, it provided the desired access to the Internet, and it
    provided a reasonable amount of protection using the technology
    available at the time.



    --
    Grant. . . .

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Fri Apr 19 15:35:54 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
    I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
    time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,

    ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of the
    learning process.

    Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely be in a
    better position than you were before you tried.

    I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for the last 20
    years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.

    I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from accomplishing much of anything.

    It's good to realize that people who end up producing something awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried, and tried again with persistence.

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning on Fri Apr 19 10:29:24 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
    I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
    time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,

    ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of the
    learning process.

    Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely be in a
    better position than you were before you tried.

    I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for the last 20
    years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.



    --
    Grant. . . .

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Fri Apr 19 20:03:50 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:35:54 +0000,
    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
    Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
    I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple
    times. Each time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I
    come across,

    ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of
    the learning process.

    Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely
    be in a better position than you were before you tried.

    I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for
    the last 20 years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.

    I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from
    accomplishing much of anything.

    It's good to realize that people who end up producing something
    awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried,
    and tried again with persistence.

    You responders are of course correct about the benefits of not
    letting fear stop action, but I read the OP more as a matter of
    asking why make the effort when it just increases contact with
    unwanted folks (and behaviors). Maybe I misread.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Fri Apr 19 23:09:30 2024
    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 20:03:50 -0000 (UTC), Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote: >On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:35:54 +0000,
    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
    Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
    I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple
    times. Each time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I
    come across,

    ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of
    the learning process.
    Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely
    be in a better position than you were before you tried.
    I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for
    the last 20 years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.

    I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from
    accomplishing much of anything.
    It's good to realize that people who end up producing something
    awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried,
    and tried again with persistence.

    You responders are of course correct about the benefits of not
    letting fear stop action, but I read the OP more as a matter of
    asking why make the effort when it just increases contact with
    unwanted folks (and behaviors). Maybe I misread.

    not sure, but the op's inquiry:

    From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
    Newsgroups: news.admin.peering,news.software.nntp
    Subject: Young people peering
    Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 12:11:22 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <uvgh5a$1d8l$10@gallifrey.nk.ca>

    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    might've been alluding to this:

    From: Elia <me@elia.li>
    Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
    Subject: Looking for peering
    Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:14:14 +0100
    Message-ID: <uk08um$3cvdk$1@dont-email.me>

    Hello,
    I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
    and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
    i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.
    Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
    Thank you,
    Elia

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Sat Apr 20 03:30:04 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:35 this Friday (GMT):
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
    I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
    time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,

    ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of the
    learning process.

    Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely be in a
    better position than you were before you tried.

    I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for the last 20
    years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.

    I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from accomplishing much of anything.

    It's good to realize that people who end up producing something awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried, and tried again with persistence.


    Agreed, it really sucks to be too afraid to start.
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  • From immibis@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Tue May 7 03:03:02 2024
    XPost: news.software.nntp

    On 14/04/24 19:55, Stefan Ram wrote:
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
    What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

    Bruh, Usenet? Seriously? I thought that shit died out in the 90s,
    like, who even uses that anymore? I mean, come on, it's 2024 -
    we got way better ways to get our info and connect with people
    these days. Why would I even bother setting up some old-school
    Usenet server when I got Reddit, Discord, and all these other
    modern platforms that are way more user-friendly and relevant?

    Like, Usenet was cool back in the day, I guess, but it's just so
    outdated now. The interface is clunky, the communities are tiny,
    and good luck finding anything useful that isn't buried in a
    million random posts. Nah, I'm good - I'll stick to the apps and
    sites I already use, where I can actually find the content and
    communities I care about. Usenet? That's some boomer shit, man.

    Where are these magic apps full of worthwhile non-spam content?

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  • From elia@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 13 21:51:43 2024
    On 4/19/24 11:09 PM, D wrote:
    might've been alluding to this:

    From: Elia<me@elia.li>
    Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
    Subject: Looking for peering
    Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:14:14 +0100
    Message-ID:<uk08um$3cvdk$1@dont-email.me>

    Hello,
    I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
    and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
    i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.
    Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
    Thank you,
    Elia

    Hey, that's me! :^)

    Still up and running by the way - definitly an interesting journey.
    Also, that school project got graded 90%

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  • From D@21:1/5 to elia on Thu Jun 13 23:03:55 2024
    On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 21:51:43 +0200, elia <me@elia.li> wrote:
    On 4/19/24 11:09 PM, D wrote:
    might've been alluding to this:

    From: Elia<me@elia.li>
    Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
    Subject: Looking for peering
    Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:14:14 +0100
    Message-ID:<uk08um$3cvdk$1@dont-email.me>

    Hello,
    I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
    and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as >>> i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.
    Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
    Thank you,
    Elia

    Hey, that's me! :^)
    Still up and running by the way - definitly an interesting journey.
    Also, that school project got graded 90%

    +1 . . . please note that i am only a retired hobbyist, and have never
    been a news server administrator . . . still subscribed to news server-
    related newsgroups since 1998, mainly due to interest in decentralized
    and unmoderated plain-text format so unique to usenet and nowhere else

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to elia on Fri Jun 14 06:10:08 2024
    elia <me@elia.li> wrote at 19:51 this Thursday (GMT):
    On 4/19/24 11:09 PM, D wrote:
    might've been alluding to this:

    From: Elia<me@elia.li>
    Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
    Subject: Looking for peering
    Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:14:14 +0100
    Message-ID:<uk08um$3cvdk$1@dont-email.me>

    Hello,
    I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
    and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as >>> i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.
    Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
    Thank you,
    Elia

    Hey, that's me! :^)

    Still up and running by the way - definitly an interesting journey.
    Also, that school project got graded 90%


    Oh yea, I remember that! Congrats on your grade!!
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