What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
On 4/14/24 08:02, Retro Guy wrote:
Maybe they found out that it takes effort?
Chuckle.
There does seem to be an inverse relationship between the amount of
effort to do something and the number of people doing it.
Maybe they found out that it takes effort?
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
Usenet was cool back in the day
On 14 Apr 2024 17:55:38 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
Usenet was cool back in the day
social media is moderated and controlled by agencies that control the system; mainstream media is strictly commercial, catering to those inside the system, thus has always been strictly controlled by those that control the narrative; whereas, unmoderated usenet newsgroups are all-inclusive, meaning even those outside the system may participate, and lurkers could outnumber contributors and participants by a wide margin; unmoderated is synonymous with uncensored; everyone knows it's typical for active newsgroups to get spammed and trolled, and since google's exit, usenet is probably getting more popular, not less...
The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
Maybe they found out that it takes effort?
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
Bruh, Usenet? Seriously? I thought that shit died out in the 90s,
like, who even uses that anymore? I mean, come on, it's 2024 -
we got way better ways to get our info and connect with people
these days. Why would I even bother setting up some old-school
Usenet server when I got Reddit, Discord, and all these other
modern platforms that are way more user-friendly and relevant?
Like, Usenet was cool back in the day, I guess, but it's just so
outdated now. The interface is clunky, the communities are tiny,
and good luck finding anything useful that isn't buried in a
million random posts. Nah, I'm good - I'll stick to the apps and
sites I already use, where I can actually find the content and
communities I care about. Usenet? That's some boomer shit, man.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
Bruh, Usenet? Seriously? I thought that shit died out in the 90s,
like, who even uses that anymore? I mean, come on, it's 2024 -
we got way better ways to get our info and connect with people
these days. Why would I even bother setting up some old-school
Usenet server when I got Reddit, Discord, and all these other
modern platforms that are way more user-friendly and relevant?
Like, Usenet was cool back in the day, I guess, but it's just so
outdated now. The interface is clunky, the communities are tiny,
and good luck finding anything useful that isn't buried in a
million random posts. Nah, I'm good - I'll stick to the apps and
sites I already use, where I can actually find the content and
communities I care about. Usenet? That's some boomer shit, man.
But you're using Usenet.
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Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote at 17:55 this Sunday (GMT):
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
Bruh, Usenet? Seriously? I thought that shit died out in the 90s,
like, who even uses that anymore? I mean, come on, it's 2024 -
we got way better ways to get our info and connect with people
these days. Why would I even bother setting up some old-school
Usenet server when I got Reddit, Discord, and all these other
modern platforms that are way more user-friendly and relevant?
Like, Usenet was cool back in the day, I guess, but it's just so
outdated now. The interface is clunky, the communities are tiny,
and good luck finding anything useful that isn't buried in a
million random posts. Nah, I'm good - I'll stick to the apps and
sites I already use, where I can actually find the content and
communities I care about. Usenet? That's some boomer shit, man.
But you're using Usenet.
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
On 4/14/24 14:11, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
We grew old. Or at least realized that at 42 you are no longer
considered "young".
Still want to set up a Usenet node, though.
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
We grew old. Or at least realized that at 42 you are no longer
considered "young".
Still want to set up a Usenet node, though.
Cheers!
According to The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
Some of us are still around albeit not exatly young.
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
define young.
On 4/17/2024 1:03 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi
<gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on
a few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least
three times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing
the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of
"the kids".
Or they realised that it was more work than they thought for not enough shiny, and they had to rework their plans.
It's not necessarily that people just give up because stuff is hard,
there is limited time in the day and people have other stuff to do.
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
Very true. I just mention school IT because my wife works in
education and constantly has battles with IT blocking pretty much
everything, which drives her nuts :)
The Doctor wrote:
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi
<gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on
a few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least
three times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing
the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of
"the kids".
Or they realised that it was more work than they thought for not enough >shiny, and they had to rework their plans.
It's not necessarily that people just give up because stuff is hard,
there is limited time in the day and people have other stuff to do.
On 17.04.2024 um 12:35 Uhr Retro Guy wrote:
Very true. I just mention school IT because my wife works in
education and constantly has battles with IT blocking pretty much
everything, which drives her nuts :)
When I was in school I set up squid to go around of this. This was in
2017 and my first "server software" I operated.
Getting high schools to a Usenet project should be
the advocacy of everyone here!
Especially if it's something as complicated
as setting up a working nntp server
In article <uvodbh$1jboj$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/17/2024 1:03 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi
<gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>>>define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on >>>>>> a few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least >>>>>> three times since I decided to do that it might still take a while. >>>>>>
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing >>>>> the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of
"the kids".
Or they realised that it was more work than they thought for not enough
shiny, and they had to rework their plans.
It's not necessarily that people just give up because stuff is hard,
there is limited time in the day and people have other stuff to do.
Actually the more work you do, the more you get familiar!
Getting high schools to a Usenet project should be
the advocacy of everyone here!
I'm not saying it's not worth it, I'm just saying they might have to >restructure their plans because school projects have a certain amount of
time allocated to them, and once it's getting close to the completion
date it's just not possible to do everything. Especially if it's
something as complicated as setting up a working nntp server if even the >terminal might not be the first thing people think about when using >computers.
(I learned how to use computers on DOS, my son doesn't have a clue what
this black thing I am using for work is)
The community could bridge that gap with automagic configuration scripts and a GUI / TUI config client.
Rocksolid is on that track.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
The Doctor wrote:
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
(yes really)
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:39 this Thursday (GMT):
candycanearter07 wrote:
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
The Doctor wrote:
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>>>define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
(yes really)
Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.
When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.
It's even worse here, because like some of the clubs use it actively and
had to get a hotspot to even work.
candycanearter07 wrote:
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
The Doctor wrote:
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>>define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
(yes really)
Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.
When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.
snipRetro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
The Doctor wrote:
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
(yes really)
Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.
When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using >some bad website. I had to explain it to her.
GitHub has been the target of censorship from governments using methods ranging[end quoted excerpt]
from local Internet service provider blocks, intermediary blocking using methods
such as DNS hijacking and man-in-the-middle attacks, and denial-of-service attacks
on GitHub's servers from countries including China, India, Iraq, Russia, and Turkey.
In all of these cases, GitHub has been eventually unblocked after backlash from
users and technology businesses or compliance from GitHub.
Background
GitHub is a web-based Git repository hosting service and is primarily used to host
the source code of software, facilitate project management, and provide distributed
revision control functionality of Git, access control, wikis, and bug tracking.[1]
As of June 2023, GitHub reports having over 100 million users and over 330 million
repositories.[2] It offers free accounts, a pastebin service called Gist, and free
website hosting under its github.io domain. The GitHub terms of service prohibits
illegal use and it reserves the right to remove content at its discretion.[3] Users
can fork (copy and individually develop) other projects, which GitHub does not >automatically take down when served DMCA takedown notices.[4] GitHub uses HTTPS for
its connections, making data more secure against interception from third parties.
candycanearter07 wrote:
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:39 this Thursday (GMT):
candycanearter07 wrote:
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT): >>>>> The Doctor wrote:
In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node? >>>>>>>define young.
I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a >>>>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three >>>>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
maybe next week or so
There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github >>>> (yes really)
Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.
When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.
It's even worse here, because like some of the clubs use it actively and
had to get a hotspot to even work.
What a pain :(
Seems many districts just block things by default. It's paranoia in my opinion. I know the IT head, and he has a god complex.
At least they block wikipedia at her district :)
Seems many districts just block things by default. It's paranoia in my opinion.
The school board decided to only allow specific things and block
everything else. It's really the only safe way to be reasonably sure
that students aren't going to the latest and greatest undesirable site.
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:[]
define young.
I reckon it boils down to this:
Folks live to be around 75 years old, then kick the bucket.
Now, that number "75" kinda naturally lends itself to
a three-way split, if you catch my drift, at 25 and 50.
That means: until you hit 25, you're still young,
and once you hit 50, you're old.
When you hit the big 5-0, you're starin' down the barrel of the
last leg of this here life journey, the pre-mortal phase,
I was just tryin' to paint a picture of what I reckon the young'uns
these days think about the Usenet, not spoutin' off my own two
cents, 'cause shoot, I ain't no spring chicken myself anymore.
On 17 Apr 2024 12:42:41 GMT
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:[]
define young.
I reckon it boils down to this:
Folks live to be around 75 years old, then kick the bucket.
Now, that number "75" kinda naturally lends itself to
a three-way split, if you catch my drift, at 25 and 50.
That means: until you hit 25, you're still young,
and once you hit 50, you're old.
When you hit the big 5-0, you're starin' down the barrel of the
last leg of this here life journey, the pre-mortal phase,
I was just tryin' to paint a picture of what I reckon the young'uns
these days think about the Usenet, not spoutin' off my own two
cents, 'cause shoot, I ain't no spring chicken myself anymore.
If you wish to communicate here, you'd be advised to stop posting
via your 8 year old hick cousin. Jus' Sayin'.
he parents who think their children should have
reasonable Internet access tend to get out-shouted by the parents who
think that any exposure to parentally unapproved material may transform
their precious 17-year-olds into hardened criminals or damned atheists.
Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:
The parents who think their children should have reasonable Internet
access tend to get out-shouted by the parents who think that any
exposure to parentally unapproved material may transform their precious
17-year-olds into hardened criminals or damned atheists.
"Reasonable internet access ..."
Excuse me while I hysterically laugh myself to death!
There is no level of "reasonable internet access" for anyone under the
age of 40. No psyche is left undamaged by even brief exposure to
cyberspace. I'm certain the Usenet trolls already proved that at least
two decades ago.
The school board decided to only allow specific things and block
everything else. It's really the only safe way to be reasonably sure
that students aren't going to the latest and greatest undesirable
site.
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
Until they heard of SSL-VPN (via TCP port 443). That can be easily implemented in ocserv on Linux and looks like normal web traffic.
On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,
ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of the
learning process.
Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely be in a
better position than you were before you tried.
I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for the last 20
years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.
I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,
Grant Taylor wrote:
On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple
times. Each time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I
come across,
ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of
the learning process.
Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely
be in a better position than you were before you tried.
I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for
the last 20 years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.
I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from
accomplishing much of anything.
It's good to realize that people who end up producing something
awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried,
and tried again with persistence.
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
Grant Taylor wrote:
On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple
times. Each time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I
come across,
ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of
the learning process.
Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely
be in a better position than you were before you tried.
I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for
the last 20 years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.
I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from
accomplishing much of anything.
It's good to realize that people who end up producing something
awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried,
and tried again with persistence.
You responders are of course correct about the benefits of not
letting fear stop action, but I read the OP more as a matter of
asking why make the effort when it just increases contact with
unwanted folks (and behaviors). Maybe I misread.
From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering,news.software.nntp
Subject: Young people peering
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 12:11:22 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <uvgh5a$1d8l$10@gallifrey.nk.ca>
What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
From: Elia <me@elia.li>
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Looking for peering
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:14:14 +0100
Message-ID: <uk08um$3cvdk$1@dont-email.me>
Hello,
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.
Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
Thank you,
Elia
Grant Taylor wrote:
On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,
ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of the
learning process.
Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely be in a
better position than you were before you tried.
I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for the last 20
years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.
I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from accomplishing much of anything.
It's good to realize that people who end up producing something awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried, and tried again with persistence.
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