Elia <me@elia.li> writes:
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.
School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.
Cheers,
Tom
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project,
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project,
Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
Hello,
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.
Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
Thank you,
Elia
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project,
Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project,
Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something
Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it >>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a schoolGreat.
project,
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
and wanted to show them something
Cheers to that!
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a schoolGreat.
project,
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something
Cheers to that!
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet
service?
Just write me an email with your info, and your request. Pay attention,
a peer with me full feed (binary included) it's min 7/10GB/day, only
2GB/day if you want full feed text.
On 11/27/23 08:16, D wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote: >>> On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:Cheers to that!
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it >>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class >>>>> and wanted to show them something
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a schoolGreat.
project,
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not >"common", but it is an internet service.
Aside: I have long maintained that I think it's possible to run a
text only Usenet server on 56k dial up.
School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.
I plan on running it indefinitely.
On 11/27/23 08:16, D wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote: >>> On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it >>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class >>>>> and wanted to show them something
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a schoolGreat.
project,
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
Cheers to that!
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not >"common", but it is an internet service.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote: >>On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it >>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a schoolGreat.
project,
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
and wanted to show them something
Cheers to that!
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
Am 27.11.2023 um 15:16:39 Uhr schrieb D:
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet
service?
When it is being used over IP, then yes. In the past it was used with
UUCP without IP involved.
On 26/11/2023 21:37, Tom Furie wrote:
School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.
I had the same question and reaction.
On 11/26/23 14:51, el1a wrote:
I plan on running it indefinitely.
Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.
--
Grant. . . .
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or "unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?
In article <uk28kr$3piqa$1@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 11/27/23 08:16, D wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote: >>>> On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote: >>>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it >>>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class >>>>>> and wanted to show them something
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school >>>>>>>> project,Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
Cheers to that!
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service? >>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
"common", but it is an internet service.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
It should be though.
In article <0c791076ab2d363c348edb092329e2f9@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote: >>>On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:Cheers to that!
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it >>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class >>>>> and wanted to show them something
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a schoolGreat.
project,
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service? >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
No ! The WEb overseeds that.
overseed /o"ver-sed'/
transitive verb
To spread grass seed on (turf or an established lawn) in order to
fill in thin or bare spots.
intransitive verb
To spread grass seed on turf or an established lawn.
verb
To replenish (a lawn, etc.) by adding more seeds.
The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
* More at Wordnik
Am 27.11.2023 um 17:17:13 Uhr schrieb D:
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?
Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
protocol.
Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
doesn't use IP.
The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.
Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:16:19 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >Doctor) wrote:
In article <0c791076ab2d363c348edb092329e2f9@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote: >>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote: >>>>On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1@dont-email.me>, el1a <me@elia.li> wrote: >>>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:Cheers to that!
Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it >>>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class >>>>>> and wanted to show them something
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school >>>>>>>> project,Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service? >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
No ! The WEb overseeds that.
hmm . . .
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=overseeds
overseed /o"ver-sed'/
transitive verb
To spread grass seed on (turf or an established lawn) in order to
fill in thin or bare spots.
intransitive verb
To spread grass seed on turf or an established lawn.
verb
To replenish (a lawn, etc.) by adding more seeds.
The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
* More at Wordnik
and "overseed" almost sounds like "supercede" . . . did ip "supercede" nntp? >google sure seems to think so . . . "holy see" . . . "over lord" . . . "god"
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:21:54 +0100, Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
Am 27.11.2023 um 17:17:13 Uhr schrieb D:
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?
Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
protocol.
Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
doesn't use IP.
The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.
Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?
is ftp ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol
is ftp ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol
In article <uk2clt$9u8$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
On 11/26/23 14:51, el1a wrote:
I plan on running it indefinitely.
Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.
Same here!
Also with reader clients?
A rather tricky question.
RFC 765 of course, but original RFC 114 ran on NCP.
Is that Internet?
It was the predecessor of IP.
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or "unix-to-unix copy",
is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?
Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?
On 11/27/23 10:17, D wrote:
okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy",
I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators to >serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the news
spool directly from the news server.
Servers were almost certainly configured as peers and used UUCP or
something comparable but proprietary.
is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
When the introduction of TCP/IP clients started to be run on systems
other than the news server and accessed the news server remotely, likely >across the LAN, but possibly across dial up connections.
So the biggest difference I see in before and after the introduction of >TCP/IP is where the news client program was run;
- before: on the news server
- after: on client systems
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?
I don't think so.
Usenet is a network of news servers. That network is independent of how >client's access the news server.
There are other LAN protocols that clients can use to connect to servers >across a LAN or even dial up.
On 11/27/23 18:24, The Doctor wrote:
Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?
I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.
As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
Taylor UUCP.
Grant. . . .
seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
the op<me@elia.li> did state "...trying to start a inn2 news server for
a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct
On 11/27/23 18:24, The Doctor wrote:
Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?
I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.
As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
Taylor UUCP.
Grant. . . .
I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators
to serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the
news spool directly from the news server.
On 11/27/23 20:40, D wrote:
seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
the op<me@elia.li> did state "...trying to start a inn2 news server for
a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct
Fair enough.
But you get into "what is an internet service"?
Arguably any service that is accessible via the Internet is an internet >service.
Grant. . . .
so generally speaking, while usenet is most widely available on the internet, it may also be available on local area network or dial-up with usenet access;
Elia <me@elia.li> writes:
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.
I plan on running it indefinitely.
Hi,
el1a <me@elia.li> writes:
Elia <me@elia.li> writes:
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.
It's great to read this good news!
I plan on running it indefinitely.
If you need another peer, you can drop me an email.
--
Stéphane
On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project,
Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present
it to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my
class and wanted to show them something
Hello,
I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
too.
Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
Thank you,
Elia
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