• Re: Spamcop-top200 incomplete archives at Google

    From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to anfi@onet.eu on Sat Mar 9 18:03:58 2024
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: >https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being connected to Usenet in any way now, right?

    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    It's not a problem, it's a solution.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andrzej Adam Filip@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 18:43:53 2024
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    --
    A. Filip

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Andrzej Adam Filip on Sat Mar 9 19:48:56 2024
    On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote: >Google removed the newest post from its archive: >https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
    to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested:
    using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
    added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers), preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last:

    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
    gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
    [end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
    anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
    whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andrzej Adam Filip@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Mar 9 20:16:45 2024
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: >>https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >>https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
    […]

    It was post to Google Groups.

    --
    A. Filip

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 23:29:52 2024
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote: >>Google removed the newest post from its archive: >>https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >>https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
    to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested:
    using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
    added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers), >preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last:

    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com> >>Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet >gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
    [end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
    anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
    whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?


    Gmail and GGroups!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to anfi@onet.eu on Sat Mar 9 23:28:25 2024
    In article <anfi+o9vzk0d32f-o396@wp.eu>,
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: >https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.


    I wonder if it exposes Google as a top host for spammers.

    --
    A. Filip


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Mar 9 23:29:09 2024
    In article <usi8ae$q3e$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: >>https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >>https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being >connected to Usenet in any way now, right?

    The Google group in question is not usenet related.


    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    It's not a problem, it's a solution.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to anfi@onet.eu on Sat Mar 9 23:30:17 2024
    In article <anfi+u0cv8zgryf-o396@wp.eu>,
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: >>>https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >>>https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being >> connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
    […]

    It was post to Google Groups.

    And removed by google, yes?


    --
    A. Filip


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andrzej Adam Filip@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Mar 10 00:45:16 2024
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <anfi+u0cv8zgryf-o396@wp.eu>,
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: >>>>https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >>>>https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being >>> connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
    […]

    It was post to Google Groups.

    And removed by google, yes?

    <quote src="email">
    We're letting you know that we've permanently removed the content at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/spamcop-top200/_jUiGqsyFgU/07FwIxsgAAAJ

    *Why did this happen?*

    An external report flagged the content for illegal content or policy violations. As a result, our legal content and policy standards team
    removed the content for the following reason: *phishing*.

    Learn more

    You can learn more about our content policies and enforcement at our
    help center.


    What you can do next

    You may have the option to pursue your claims in court. If you have
    legal questions or wish to examine legal options that may be available
    to you, you may want to consult with your own legal counsel.
    </quote>

    --
    A. Filip

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Mar 10 01:17:18 2024
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:29:52 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote: >>>Google removed the newest post from its archive: >>>https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >>>https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
    to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested: >>using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
    added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers), >>preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last:

    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com> >>>Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet >>gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
    [end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should >>anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server >>whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?

    Gmail and GGroups!

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to snipeco.1@gmail.com on Sun Mar 10 01:34:30 2024
    In article <1qq6i3a.fd0kwh3hifmdN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
    Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
    D <J@M> wrote:

    [...]

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?


    On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
    99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.


    https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

    --
    ^^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

    My pet rock Gordon just is.


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to anfi@onet.eu on Sun Mar 10 01:33:55 2024
    In article <anfi+w9bynurvif-o396@wp.eu>,
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <anfi+u0cv8zgryf-o396@wp.eu>,
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: >>>>>https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >>>>>https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being
    connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
    […]

    It was post to Google Groups.

    And removed by google, yes?

    <quote src="email">
    We're letting you know that we've permanently removed the content at >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/spamcop-top200/_jUiGqsyFgU/07FwIxsgAAAJ

    *Why did this happen?*

    An external report flagged the content for illegal content or policy >violations. As a result, our legal content and policy standards team
    removed the content for the following reason: *phishing*.

    Learn more

    You can learn more about our content policies and enforcement at our
    help center.


    What you can do next

    You may have the option to pursue your claims in court. If you have
    legal questions or wish to examine legal options that may be available
    to you, you may want to consult with your own legal counsel.
    </quote>

    I wonder who can be sued?


    --
    A. Filip


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From tjoen@21:1/5 to Andrzej Adam Filip on Sun Mar 10 10:47:53 2024
    On 3/9/24 18:43, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Question is: bug or malice

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andrzej Adam Filip@21:1/5 to tjoen on Sun Mar 10 11:50:28 2024
    tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
    On 3/9/24 18:43, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Question is: bug or malice

    Can't it be "We don't care" attitude? I personally perceive it mostly
    as incompetence and arrogance of "Too Big to Fall" class.

    I find Google practices unfit for me quite frequently.
    I merely means that I am not theirs target group
    and I accept it *fully* .

    --
    A. Filip

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to snipeco.1@gmail.com on Sun Mar 10 12:26:40 2024
    In article <1qq6mhn.16igult2mpxm1N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
    Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

    In article <1qq6i3a.fd0kwh3hifmdN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
    Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
    D <J@M> wrote:

    [...]

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?


    On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
    99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.


    <https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam>


    I only report my own user experience; YMMV.


    for me, gmail and ggroups are big spam sources.

    --
    ^^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

    My pet rock Gordon just is.


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to tjoen@dds.nl on Sun Mar 10 12:26:08 2024
    In article <usjvk9$2t2rr$1@dont-email.me>, tjoen <tjoen@dds.nl> wrote:
    On 3/9/24 18:43, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Question is: bug or malice


    methinks malice!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to anfi@onet.eu on Sun Mar 10 12:27:13 2024
    In article <anfi+1yoaptsfhf-o3a0@wp.eu>,
    Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
    On 3/9/24 18:43, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Question is: bug or malice

    Can't it be "We don't care" attitude? I personally perceive it mostly
    as incompetence and arrogance of "Too Big to Fall" class.

    I find Google practices unfit for me quite frequently.
    I merely means that I am not theirs target group
    and I accept it *fully* .


    WE don't care to be caught, moreso!

    --
    A. Filip


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Mar 10 15:40:44 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 12:26:08 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <usjvk9$2t2rr$1@dont-email.me>, tjoen <tjoen@dds.nl> wrote:
    On 3/9/24 18:43, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Question is: bug or malice

    methinks malice!

    psyops, pernicious, baneful, pestilent, them

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to snipeco.1@gmail.com on Sun Mar 10 15:45:41 2024
    Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:

    On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
    99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.

    Gmail is very good about filtering incoming spam, and reasonably okay
    about filtering outgoing spam. There is still a good bit of spam from
    gmail, but considering how many users they have it's not very much at
    all.

    Gmail is actually attended... there are armies of people behind the
    scenes fine-tuning things and watching things. Google Groups is not
    this way.

    Gmail is actually a revenue source for Google, although they do offer
    a whole lot of free accounts. Because it is a revenue source they take
    good care of it.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Mar 10 17:26:03 2024
    On 10 Mar 2024 15:45:41 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    there are armies

    multi facti sunt

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to tjoen on Sun Mar 10 17:14:49 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:47:53 +0100
    tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
    On 3/9/24 18:43, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:

    Google removed the newest post from its archive: https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Question is: bug or malice

    I recall reading that Google won't be archiving new
    postings after pulling out from Usenet. I suspect
    they see Usenet as a dying technology that's being
    abused by a lot of spammers.

    I like the Usenet technology. Sure, it would be
    great to have some additional features to prevent
    forgeries and deal with abusive posters, but
    overall I think Google is ultimately sacrificing
    long-term name brand recognition by pulling out of
    Usenet, and I suspect their Google Groups platform
    could suffer too since it's pretty basic compared
    to the offerings of many web-based forums.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 17:26:30 2024
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
    D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:29:52 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote: >>On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive: >>>https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at: >>>https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
    to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested: >>using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers >>added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers), >>preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last:

    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com> >>>Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet >>gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024 >>[end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should >>anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server >>whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?

    Gmail and GGroups!

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?

    GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
    junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
    to senders that they never received the eMail that
    was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
    webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
    but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
    messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
    (which may also serve as an example of how a pure
    technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
    human problem, at least not entirely).

    GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
    daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
    it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
    well as our users. The volume of spam received
    also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
    spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
    certainly a significant challenge.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to noc@inter-corporate.com on Mon Mar 11 02:58:17 2024
    In article <20240310172630.4759695c26c37928f33202a6@inter-corporate.com>, Randolf Richardson 張 <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
    D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:29:52 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >Doctor) wrote:
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:
    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
    to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested:
    using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
    added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
    preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last:

    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
    gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
    [end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
    anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
    whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?

    Gmail and GGroups!

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?

    GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
    junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
    to senders that they never received the eMail that
    was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
    webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
    but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
    messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
    (which may also serve as an example of how a pure
    technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
    human problem, at least not entirely).

    GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
    daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
    it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
    well as our users. The volume of spam received
    also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
    spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
    certainly a significant challenge.


    You can track Gmail spam at

    https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to noc@inter-corporate.com on Mon Mar 11 02:56:58 2024
    In article <20240310171449.c2a5401763d699f4b6d192b6@inter-corporate.com>, Randolf Richardson 張 <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:47:53 +0100
    tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
    On 3/9/24 18:43, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:

    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/

    Question is: bug or malice

    I recall reading that Google won't be archiving new
    postings after pulling out from Usenet. I suspect
    they see Usenet as a dying technology that's being
    abused by a lot of spammers.


    correction, they let the spammers in and could not barracade thm!

    I like the Usenet technology. Sure, it would be
    great to have some additional features to prevent
    forgeries and deal with abusive posters, but
    overall I think Google is ultimately sacrificing
    long-term name brand recognition by pulling out of
    Usenet, and I suspect their Google Groups platform
    could suffer too since it's pretty basic compared
    to the offerings of many web-based forums.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Mar 10 21:35:51 2024
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <20240310172630.4759695c26c37928f33202a6@inter-corporate.com>, Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
    D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:29:52 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >Doctor) wrote:
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote: >> >>On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:

    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
    to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested: >> >>using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
    added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers), >> >>preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last: >> >>
    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073) >> >>22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073) >> >>22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073) >> >>
    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet >> >>gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024 >> >>[end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should >> >>anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server >> >>whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history? >> >
    Gmail and GGroups!

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?

    GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
    junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
    to senders that they never received the eMail that
    was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
    webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
    but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
    messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
    (which may also serve as an example of how a pure
    technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
    human problem, at least not entirely).

    GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
    daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
    it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
    well as our users. The volume of spam received
    also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
    spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
    certainly a significant challenge.

    You can track Gmail spam at

    https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

    That looks similar to what we've been seeing.

    The page is confusing to look at because
    the headers is double-spaced, although it is
    still readable.

    Is that data published in a database format
    of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to noc@inter-corporate.com on Mon Mar 11 05:34:48 2024
    In article <20240310213551.33760496211cf8b34bdc04fe@inter-corporate.com>, Randolf Richardson 張 <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <20240310172630.4759695c26c37928f33202a6@inter-corporate.com>,
    Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
    D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:29:52 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
    Doctor) wrote:
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote: >> >> >>On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip
    <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:

    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted >> >> >>to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested: >> >> >>using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers >> >> >>added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers), >> >> >>preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last: >> >> >>
    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com> >> >> >>>Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073) >> >> >>22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073) >> >> >>22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073) >> >> >>
    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet >> >> >>gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024 >> >> >>[end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should >> >> >>anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server >> >> >>whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history? >> >> >
    Gmail and GGroups!

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?

    GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
    junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
    to senders that they never received the eMail that
    was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
    webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
    but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
    messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
    (which may also serve as an example of how a pure
    technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
    human problem, at least not entirely).

    GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
    daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
    it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
    well as our users. The volume of spam received
    also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
    spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
    certainly a significant challenge.

    You can track Gmail spam at

    https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

    That looks similar to what we've been seeing.

    The page is confusing to look at because
    the headers is double-spaced, although it is
    still readable.

    Is that data published in a database format
    of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?


    Just raw text cut and paste.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Wed Apr 10 13:48:50 2024
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 05:34:48 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <20240310213551.33760496211cf8b34bdc04fe@inter-corporate.com>, Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <20240310172630.4759695c26c37928f33202a6@inter-corporate.com>, >> Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
    D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:29:52 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >> >Doctor) wrote:
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip ><anfi@onet.eu> wrote:

    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted >> >> >>to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested:
    using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers >> >> >>added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
    preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last:

    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com> >> >> >>>Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
    gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
    [end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
    anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
    whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?

    Gmail and GGroups!

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?

    GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
    junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
    to senders that they never received the eMail that
    was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
    webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
    but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
    messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
    (which may also serve as an example of how a pure
    technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
    human problem, at least not entirely).

    GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
    daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
    it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
    well as our users. The volume of spam received
    also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
    spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
    certainly a significant challenge.

    You can track Gmail spam at

    https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

    That looks similar to what we've been seeing.

    The page is confusing to look at because
    the headers is double-spaced, although it is
    still readable.

    Is that data published in a database format
    of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?


    Just raw text cut and paste.

    Okay. Thanks!

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to noc@inter-corporate.com on Wed Apr 10 23:24:44 2024
    In article <20240410134850.fd0fe5662c942e9dbddfe9b6@inter-corporate.com>, Randolf Richardson 張 <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 05:34:48 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <20240310213551.33760496211cf8b34bdc04fe@inter-corporate.com>,
    Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <20240310172630.4759695c26c37928f33202a6@inter-corporate.com>, >> >> Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
    D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:29:52 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The >> >> >Doctor) wrote:
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D
    <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip
    <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:

    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
    to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested:
    using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
    added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
    preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last:

    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
    gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
    [end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
    anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
    whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global >history?

    Gmail and GGroups!

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?

    GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
    junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
    to senders that they never received the eMail that
    was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
    webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
    but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
    messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
    (which may also serve as an example of how a pure
    technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
    human problem, at least not entirely).

    GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
    daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
    it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
    well as our users. The volume of spam received
    also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
    spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
    certainly a significant challenge.

    You can track Gmail spam at

    https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

    That looks similar to what we've been seeing.

    The page is confusing to look at because
    the headers is double-spaced, although it is
    still readable.

    Is that data published in a database format
    of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?


    Just raw text cut and paste.

    Okay. Thanks!


    And more coming in daily.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/


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  • From David Ritz@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Fri Apr 26 15:09:58 2024
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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    On Monday, 11 March 2024 05:34 -0000,
    in article <usm55o$1b3$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
    The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

    In article <20240310213551.33760496211cf8b34bdc04fe@inter-corporate.com>, Randolf Richardson 張?? ?? <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

    In article <20240310172630.4759695c26c37928f33202a6@inter-corporate.com>, >>> Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:

    [mercy snip]

    You can track Gmail spam at

    https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

    <aside>
    Nice of Dave to remind us of his propensity for spamming, although
    he's no longer reposting spam, as was his wont, when it was
    originated via Gargoyle Gropes.
    </aside>

    That looks similar to what we've been seeing.

    The page is confusing to look at because the headers is
    double-spaced, although it is still readable.

    Is that data published in a database format of some sort, such as
    CSV or BIND DNS zone?

    Just raw text cut and paste.

    Dave, what is displayed, on your NetKnow blog, is something quite
    other than raw plain text. It was likely plain text, when you
    received the emails in question. It no longer is.

    First, I highly suspect you did not just cut and paste, with the first
    error being the mistaking of the concept of cut (^x), with copy (^c).
    I'd give odds that the original email text was not eviscerated, rather
    that the text in question was copied.

    While you may very well has pasted the text, into whatever you might
    be using for website management, it was no longer plain text when you
    did so. Your text was HTMLized, which significantly modified how it
    was displayed, regardless how what sort of web browser, CLI or GUI,
    may have been used to read your page. The HTMLization turns the
    formerly plain text into a barely readable mishmash or word salad.

    Email and Usenet header lines all begin with an uppercase alphabetic
    character, without fail, showing the header description. When a
    header requires more than one line, the remaining lines begin with
    white space. This is because, this is how headers are defined in
    RFC822 and all its successors. What you refer to as header, on your
    blog, show leading lower case characters and show no leading white
    space, as expected.

    While Mr. Richardson refers to double spacing in the headers, this
    artifact will only display in a GUI web browser, as CLI browsers, such
    as Lynx, will only single space the shortened header lines, all of
    which have been jammed up against the left border, inline with the
    header descriptions. While not double spaced, it is still garbled to
    the cusp of intelligibility.

    The double spacing, which is clearly visible when using a GUI web
    browser, as does the vast majority of Internet users, comes from
    before the history of computing. The terms, "line feed" (LF) and
    carriage return (CR) are borrowed from teletype and Linotype
    operation. For this discussion, see how computers indicate a newline,
    in ASCII text. (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline>)

    POSIX standard oriented systems use <LF>, where Microsoft uses <CRLF>
    and Classic Mac used <CR>. It seems when GUI web browsers interpret
    the POSIX <LF> in HTML, they add the <CR>, which creates a blank line,
    where there was none. Sadly, this makes your COPY and paste even more difficult to interpret.

    Fortunately, there is a way of doing what you're attempting, without
    any HTMLizing of the pasted plain text, by inserting the copied text
    into a plain text block, within the HTML. Do note, this will restore
    the full line lengths, as they were received, which may interfere with
    the links displayed to the right in a GUI browser, along with a
    seemingly never-ending series of serendipity errors. This may have
    the added advantage of displaying the text block in a monospaced font.

    While you, Dave, may be able to track Gmail spam using your website, I
    suspect that would leave you in a distinct minority.

    HTH HAND

    - --
    David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
    Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
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  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Thu Jun 27 19:34:21 2024
    On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 23:24:44 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

    In article <20240410134850.fd0fe5662c942e9dbddfe9b6@inter-corporate.com>, Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 05:34:48 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <20240310213551.33760496211cf8b34bdc04fe@inter-corporate.com>, >> Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
    doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
    In article <20240310172630.4759695c26c37928f33202a6@inter-corporate.com>,
    Randolf Richardson 張_ _ <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
    D <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:29:52 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
    Doctor) wrote:
    In article <9060e37cebc329c87ebfe77d4b9fc47f@dizum.com>, D
    <J@M> wrote:
    On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip
    <anfi@onet.eu> wrote:

    Google removed the newest post from its archive:
    https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
    All posts are available at:
    https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-top200@googlegroups.com/
    I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.

    this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
    to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested:
    using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
    added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
    preliminary results indicate that this article could be google's last:

    Message-ID: <7e2a356c-8313-45c1-a12c-44bd4f0ba39cn@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: <thai spam>
    Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
    Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
    Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000

    22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
    22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

    pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
    gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
    [end citation]

    google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
    anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
    whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global >history?

    Gmail and GGroups!

    i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
    gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
    as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?

    GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
    junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
    to senders that they never received the eMail that
    was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
    webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
    but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
    messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
    (which may also serve as an example of how a pure
    technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
    human problem, at least not entirely).

    GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
    daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
    it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
    well as our users. The volume of spam received
    also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
    spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
    certainly a significant challenge.

    You can track Gmail spam at

    https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

    That looks similar to what we've been seeing.

    The page is confusing to look at because
    the headers is double-spaced, although it is
    still readable.

    Is that data published in a database format
    of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?


    Just raw text cut and paste.

    Okay. Thanks!


    And more coming in daily.

    Please see David Ritz' commentary (also in this thread), as he
    has provided an excellent explanation of the problem, and also
    provided a suggestion for remedying the formatting problems.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

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