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  • Re: False Positives (Paganini)

    From yamo'@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 10:39:22 2024
    Hi,

    R Daneel Olivaw a tapoté le 20/02/2024 10:29:
    Here are a few message-ids from comp.sys.unisys which appear on Eternal September (good) but not on Paganini (not so good).

    <2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n@googlegroups.com>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php?msgid=%3C2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n%40googlegroups.com%3E>

    False positive also on my spamassassin (but not nocemed because the post
    was fistly filtered by cleanfeed).


    <3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn@googlegroups.com>

    <https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php?msgid=%3C3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn%40googlegroups.com%3E>

    <d28e15d4-c41e-4976-a0ef-fbf7917e020en@googlegroups.com> <01317bc4-0fc6-43d5-b60d-3b4f589026dan@googlegroups.com>

    It feels strange to be pointing at GG messages as not being spam!



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  • From Olivier Miakinen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 10:54:38 2024
    Le 20/02/2024 10:39, yamo' a crit :

    R Daneel Olivaw a tapot le 20/02/2024 10:29:
    Here are a few message-ids from comp.sys.unisys which appear on Eternal
    September (good) but not on Paganini (not so good).

    <2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n@googlegroups.com>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php?msgid=%3C2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n%40googlegroups.com%3E>

    False positive also on my spamassassin (but not nocemed because the post
    was fistly filtered by cleanfeed).

    Would it mean that eternal-september refuses the NoCeMs from usenet.ovh but paganini accepts them ?

    <3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn@googlegroups.com>

    <https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php?msgid=%3C3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn%40googlegroups.com%3E>

    Same thing.


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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 10:29:49 2024
    Here are a few message-ids from comp.sys.unisys which appear on Eternal September (good) but not on Paganini (not so good).

    <2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n@googlegroups.com>

    <3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn@googlegroups.com> <d28e15d4-c41e-4976-a0ef-fbf7917e020en@googlegroups.com> <01317bc4-0fc6-43d5-b60d-3b4f589026dan@googlegroups.com>

    It feels strange to be pointing at GG messages as not being spam!

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  • From Olivier Miakinen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 12:05:43 2024
    Le 20/02/2024 11:16, Ray Banana answered to me :
    Would it mean that eternal-september refuses the NoCeMs from usenet.ovh but >> paganini accepts them ?

    In this case it means that after an update to INN INN::Config.pm
    pointed to gpgv1 again (I have both gpgv1 and gpgv2 installed on the
    server due to dependencies) and gpgv1 can not handle usenet.ovh's key,

    Thanks for the explaination, it is clear.

    And this is what I'm reminded of every time you take your petty
    bickering to n.a.n-a.u:

    I take that you as all of you , because I am not the one who take
    the most petty bickering to n.a.n-a.u. By the way, my today's post was an innocent question, and you gave a very satisfying answer to it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anxW2Ad783Y&ab_channel=TucsonFolkdance

    Very pretty choreography!

    Thank you and best regards,
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    Olivier Miakinen

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 11:16:06 2024
    Thus spake Olivier Miakinen <om+news@miakinen.net>

    Le 20/02/2024 10:39, yamo' a écrit :
    R Daneel Olivaw a tapoté le 20/02/2024 10:29:
    Here are a few message-ids from comp.sys.unisys which appear on Eternal
    September (good) but not on Paganini (not so good).
    <2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n@googlegroups.com>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php?msgid=%3C2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n%40googlegroups.com%3E>
    False positive also on my spamassassin (but not nocemed because the post
    was fistly filtered by cleanfeed).
    Would it mean that eternal-september refuses the NoCeMs from usenet.ovh but paganini accepts them ?
    <3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn@googlegroups.com>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php?msgid=%3C3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn%40googlegroups.com%3E>
    Same thing.

    In this case it means that after an update to INN INN::Config.pm
    pointed to gpgv1 again (I have both gpgv1 and gpgv2 installed on the
    server due to dependencies) and gpgv1 can not handle usenet.ovh's key,

    And this is what I'm reminded of every time you take your petty
    bickering to n.a.n-a.u:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anxW2Ad783Y&ab_channel=TucsonFolkdance

    --
    Пу́тін — хуйло́
    https://www.eternal-september.org

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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@21:1/5 to Ray Banana on Tue Feb 20 13:12:11 2024
    Ray Banana wrote:
    Thus spake Olivier Miakinen <om+news@miakinen.net>

    Le 20/02/2024 10:39, yamo' a écrit :
    R Daneel Olivaw a tapoté le 20/02/2024 10:29:
    Here are a few message-ids from comp.sys.unisys which appear on Eternal >>>> September (good) but not on Paganini (not so good).
    <2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n@googlegroups.com>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php?msgid=%3C2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n%40googlegroups.com%3E>
    False positive also on my spamassassin (but not nocemed because the post >>> was fistly filtered by cleanfeed).
    Would it mean that eternal-september refuses the NoCeMs from usenet.ovh but >> paganini accepts them ?
    <3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn@googlegroups.com>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php?msgid=%3C3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn%40googlegroups.com%3E>
    Same thing.

    In this case it means that after an update to INN INN::Config.pm
    pointed to gpgv1 again (I have both gpgv1 and gpgv2 installed on the
    server due to dependencies) and gpgv1 can not handle usenet.ovh's key,

    And this is what I'm reminded of every time you take your petty
    bickering to n.a.n-a.u:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anxW2Ad783Y&ab_channel=TucsonFolkdance


    ich dachte hier wäre die richtige Stelle.

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 13:35:00 2024
    Thus spake Olivier Miakinen <om+news@miakinen.net>


    I take that « you » as « all of you », because I am not the one who take the most petty bickering to n.a.n-a.u. By the way, my today's post was an innocent question, and you gave a very satisfying answer to it.

    As the saying goes, it takes two (or more) to Tango ;-)

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  • From Hello UseNet@21:1/5 to R Daneel Olivaw on Tue Feb 20 19:54:40 2024
    On 20/02/2024 09:29, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    Here are a few message-ids from comp.sys.unisys which appear on
    Eternal September (good) but not on Paganini (not so good).

    <2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n@googlegroups.com>

    <3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn@googlegroups.com> <d28e15d4-c41e-4976-a0ef-fbf7917e020en@googlegroups.com> <01317bc4-0fc6-43d5-b60d-3b4f589026dan@googlegroups.com>

    It feels strange to be pointing at GG messages as not being spam!

    Newsgroups are broken by neo-nazi administrators, You rarely see
    identical messages around the globe. This filtering and NoCem nonsense
    should stop and let users decide what they want to see and what not. the alternative is to have private servers where users join them to read and
    post only for that server. Peering should be blocked for those servers.
    Looking at it, that is where we are heading.

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  • From Olivier Miakinen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 21:48:23 2024
    Le 20/02/2024 13:35, Ray Banana a crit :

    As the saying goes, it takes two (or more) to Tango ;-)

    You are right, and so you can continue to Tango with whom you want. EOT.


    Statistic for news.admin.net-abuse.usenet from article 143938 (20/01/2024 18:33:33) to article 144143 (20/02/2024 20:54:40)

    Top Posters

    Ranking Articles Name Most Used Newsreader
    ------- -------- -------------------------- --------------------
    1 26 *Adam H. Kerman* trn
    2 21 *D*
    3 19 *llp* MesNews
    4 10 *immibis* Mozilla
    5 9 *Eric M* Nemo
    6 8 *The Doctor* trn
    7 8 *Scott Dorsey*
    8 7 *Adam W* tin
    9 6 *Anonymous* paganini.bofh.team
    10 6 *Andrew* Mozilla
    11 6 *Ray Banana* Plonkenlights
    12 5 Marco Moock
    13 5 yamo' flnews
    14 5 Ivo Gandolfo Mozilla Thunderbird
    15 5 Tim Skirvin
    16 4 Retro Guy 40tude_Dialog
    17 4 Blueshirt XanaNews
    18 4 Frank Slootweg tin
    19 4 R Daneel Olivaw Mozilla
    20 4 Chez Xnews
    21 3 Donkiss Zidane G2
    22 3 noel Pan
    23 3 victor Pan
    24 2 Richard Harnden Mozilla Thunderbird
    25 2 Spaceship Mozilla Thunderbird
    26 2 Spam Report Mozilla Thunderbird
    27 2 Sn!pe MacSOUP
    28 2 *Olivier Miakinen* Mozilla
    29 1 Hello UseNet
    30 1 Automated Spam Filter Mozilla Thunderbird

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  • From llp@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 23:26:08 2024
    Olivier Miakinen avait soumis l'ide :
    Le 20/02/2024 13:35, Ray Banana a crit :

    As the saying goes, it takes two (or more) to Tango ;-)

    You are right, and so you can continue to Tango with whom you want. EOT.

    Statistic for news.admin.net-abuse.usenet from article 143938 (20/01/2024 18:33:33) to article 144143 (20/02/2024 20:54:40)

    Why only one month ?
    Why is this relevant ?

    Forum : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
    Stats : from 20/02/2023 to 20/02/2024

    ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantit *****
    num| name | nb msg | size | or. | % ----|-------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
    1 | The Doctor | 281 | 903264 | 8 | 16.03% xxxxxxxxxx
    2 | D | 163 | 378057 | 13 | 9.30% xxxxx
    3 | Grant Taylor | 80 | 210558 | 1 | 4.56% xx
    4 | Eric M | 80 | 172475 | 1 | 4.56% xx
    5 | Adam H. Kerman | 76 | 224609 | 0 | 4.34% xx
    6 | llp | 74 | 188245 | 2 | 4.22% xx
    7 | Adam W. | 59 | 132723 | 5 | 3.37% xx
    8 | Frank Slootweg | 51 | 165966 | 0 | 2.91% x
    9 | Scott Dorsey | 47 | 78553 | 0 | 2.68% x
    10 | Spiros Bousbouras | 45 | 107696 | 5 | 2.57% x
    11 | Retro Guy | 43 | 95302 | 1 | 2.45% x
    12 | Ray Banana | 40 | 80778 | 4 | 2.28% x
    13 | Marco Moock | 40 | 66232 | 1 | 2.28% x
    14 | Wally J | 39 | 112561 | 2 | 2.22% x
    15 | Sn!pe | 39 | 120349 | 0 | 2.22% x
    16 | candycanearter07 | 39 | 83380 | 0 | 2.22% x
    17 | Andrew | 36 | 98465 | 2 | 2.05% x
    18 | noel | 34 | 64350 | 0 | 1.94% x
    19 | Julieta Shem | 31 | 66514 | 1 | 1.77% x
    20 | Olivier Miakinen | 26 | 62424 | 1 | 1.48% ----|-------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

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  • From llp@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 21 01:01:40 2024
    Le 20/02/2024, Spiros Bousbouras a suppos :
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:26:08 +0100
    llp <contact@usenet.ovh> wrote:

    ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantit *****
    num| name | nb msg | size | or. | %
    ----|-------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

    What does "or." stand for ?

    The number of threads created (origin)
    The stats are from MesNews software

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Hello UseNet on Tue Feb 20 23:38:50 2024
    Hello UseNet wrote:

    On 20/02/2024 09:29, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    Here are a few message-ids from comp.sys.unisys which appear on
    Eternal September (good) but not on Paganini (not so good).

    <2904006c-f390-473f-b4db-c5c35b374da7n@googlegroups.com>

    <3a392156-ce0f-4c9c-85c4-dcbb239bd0adn@googlegroups.com>
    <d28e15d4-c41e-4976-a0ef-fbf7917e020en@googlegroups.com>
    <01317bc4-0fc6-43d5-b60d-3b4f589026dan@googlegroups.com>

    It feels strange to be pointing at GG messages as not being spam!

    Newsgroups are broken by neo-nazi administrators, You rarely see
    identical messages around the globe. This filtering and NoCem nonsense
    should stop and let users decide what they want to see and what not. the alternative is to have private servers where users join them to read and
    post only for that server.

    Users can already do that. Just use a new server that does not honor the nocems that are being sent. They exist.

    Peering should be blocked for those servers.
    Looking at it, that is where we are heading.

    On the contrary, some news server admins appreciate the nocems, and express so in private communication. There will always be servers that don't use them (nocems), and that's a good thing too. It gives users a choice, which they is how things currently
    operate.

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    Retro Guy

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to spibou@gmail.com on Wed Feb 21 00:40:33 2024
    In article <C=FatIwldS1fxq+VV@bongo-ra.co>,
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:26:08 +0100
    llp <contact@usenet.ovh> wrote:
    Olivier Miakinen avait soumis l'idée :
    Le 20/02/2024 13:35, Ray Banana a écrit :

    As the saying goes, it takes two (or more) to Tango ;-)

    You are right, and so you can continue to Tango with whom you want. EOT. >> >
    Statistic for news.admin.net-abuse.usenet from article 143938 (20/01/2024 >> > 18:33:33) to article 144143 (20/02/2024 20:54:40)

    Why only one month ?
    Why is this relevant ?

    Forum : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
    Stats : from 20/02/2023 to 20/02/2024

    ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
    num| name | nb msg | size | or. | %
    ----|-------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

    What does "or." stand for ?

    Originator.
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to contact@usenet.ovh on Wed Feb 21 00:40:19 2024
    In article <ur38u1$2h6sr$1@news.usenet.ovh>, llp <contact@usenet.ovh> wrote: >Olivier Miakinen avait soumis l'ide :
    Le 20/02/2024 13:35, Ray Banana a crit :

    As the saying goes, it takes two (or more) to Tango ;-)

    You are right, and so you can continue to Tango with whom you want. EOT.

    Statistic for news.admin.net-abuse.usenet from article 143938 (20/01/2024
    18:33:33) to article 144143 (20/02/2024 20:54:40)

    Why only one month ?
    Why is this relevant ?

    Forum : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
    Stats : from 20/02/2023 to 20/02/2024

    ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantit *****
    num| name | nb msg | size | or. | %
    ----|-------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
    1 | The Doctor | 281 | 903264 | 8 | 16.03% xxxxxxxxxx
    2 | D | 163 | 378057 | 13 | 9.30% xxxxx
    3 | Grant Taylor | 80 | 210558 | 1 | 4.56% xx
    4 | Eric M | 80 | 172475 | 1 | 4.56% xx
    5 | Adam H. Kerman | 76 | 224609 | 0 | 4.34% xx
    6 | llp | 74 | 188245 | 2 | 4.22% xx
    7 | Adam W. | 59 | 132723 | 5 | 3.37% xx
    8 | Frank Slootweg | 51 | 165966 | 0 | 2.91% x
    9 | Scott Dorsey | 47 | 78553 | 0 | 2.68% x
    10 | Spiros Bousbouras | 45 | 107696 | 5 | 2.57% x
    11 | Retro Guy | 43 | 95302 | 1 | 2.45% x
    12 | Ray Banana | 40 | 80778 | 4 | 2.28% x
    13 | Marco Moock | 40 | 66232 | 1 | 2.28% x
    14 | Wally J | 39 | 112561 | 2 | 2.22% x
    15 | Sn!pe | 39 | 120349 | 0 | 2.22% x
    16 | candycanearter07 | 39 | 83380 | 0 | 2.22% x
    17 | Andrew | 36 | 98465 | 2 | 2.05% x
    18 | noel | 34 | 64350 | 0 | 1.94% x
    19 | Julieta Shem | 31 | 66514 | 1 | 1.77% x
    20 | Olivier Miakinen | 26 | 62424 | 1 | 1.48%
    ----|-------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

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    IF you guys keep this up, I will use MesNews to give you a more complete
    stat picture!
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to llp on Thu Feb 22 14:42:59 2024
    On 2/20/24 16:26, llp wrote:
    Olivier Miakinen avait soumis l'idée :
    Le 20/02/2024 13:35, Ray Banana a écrit :

    As the saying goes, it takes two (or more) to Tango ;-)

    You are right, and so you can continue to Tango with whom you want. EOT.

    Statistic for news.admin.net-abuse.usenet from article 143938 (20/01/2024
    18:33:33) to article 144143 (20/02/2024 20:54:40)

    Why only one month ?
    Why is this relevant ?

    Forum : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
    Stats : from 20/02/2023 to 20/02/2024

    ***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
    num| name              | nb msg | size     | or. | % ----|-------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
     1 | The Doctor        |    281 | 903 264 |   8 | 16.03% xxxxxxxxxx
     2 | D                 |    163 | 378 057 |  13 |  9.30% xxxxx
     3 | Grant Taylor      |     80 | 210 558 |   1 |  4.56% xx
     4 | Eric M            |     80 | 172 475 |   1 |  4.56% xx
     5 | Adam H. Kerman    |     76 | 224 609 |   0 |  4.34% xx
     6 | llp               |     74 | 188 245 |   2 |  4.22% xx
     7 | Adam W.           |     59 | 132 723 |   5 |  3.37% xx
     8 | Frank Slootweg    |     51 | 165 966 |   0 |  2.91% x
     9 | Scott Dorsey      |     47 |  78 553 |   0 |  2.68% x
    10 | Spiros Bousbouras |     45 | 107 696 |   5 |  2.57% x
    11 | Retro Guy         |     43 |  95 302 |   1 |  2.45% x 12 | Ray Banana        |     40 |  80 778 |   4 |  2.28% x
    13 | Marco Moock       |     40 |  66 232 |   1 |  2.28% x
    14 | Wally J           |     39 | 112 561 |   2 |  2.22% x 15 | Sn!pe             |     39 | 120 349 |   0 |  2.22% x
    16 | candycanearter07  |     39 |  83 380 |   0 |  2.22% x
    hey theres me
    17 | Andrew            |     36 |  98 465 |   2 |  2.05% x
    18 | noel              |     34 |  64 350 |   0 |  1.94% x
    19 | Julieta Shem      |     31 |  66 514 |   1 |  1.77% x
    20 | Olivier Miakinen  |     26 |  62 424 |   1 |  1.48% ----|-------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|


    Where do you get this data?
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