• uk.comp.os.linux is banned on news.aioe.org

    From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 23 19:11:05 2021
    XPost: uk.comp.os.linux

    Just a heads up : in the last few weeks there has been an issue on uk.comp.os.linux where almost every post gets reposted by an
    apparently broken gateway with altered headers. For example

    From: Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    Newsgroups: uk.comp.os.linux
    Subject: Re: Tesseract alternative
    Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 09:41:08 +0100
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
    Lines: 20
    Message-ID: <sfih34$gsi$1@dont-email.me>
    References: <sfam52$f5g$1@dont-email.me>

    got reposted as

    From: Davey <Davey@f1.n221.z2.fidonet.fi>
    Newsgroups: uk.comp.os.linux
    Subject: Re: Tesseract alternative
    Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 09:41:08 +0200
    Organization: rbb soupgate
    Message-ID: <3304777101@f1.n221.z2.fidonet.fi>
    References: <1332937368@f0.n0.z0.fidonet.org>

    For the reposts the header always had

    Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; [...]

    So on 2021-08-22 I tried posting on uk.comp.os.linux through news.aioe.org , which is my usual posting server , and got

    Can't post the given input.
    441 Banlist

    .I wasn't sure whether it was my IP which was banned for some reason but I made a post on alt.test shortly after and that was successful. So it is the group which is banned.

    So if you use news.aioe.org and want to post on uk.comp.os.linux , you need to make alternative arrangements. I registered with eternal-september .

    --
    vlaho.ninja/prog

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to snipeco.2@gmail.com on Mon Aug 23 19:39:21 2021
    XPost: uk.comp.os.linux

    On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 20:35:02 +0100
    snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    So on 2021-08-22 I tried posting on uk.comp.os.linux through news.aioe.org , which is my usual posting server , and got

    Can't post the given input.
    441 Banlist

    .I wasn't sure whether it was my IP which was banned for some reason but I made a post on alt.test shortly after and that was successful. So it is the group which is banned.

    So if you use news.aioe.org and want to post on uk.comp.os.linux , you need to make alternative arrangements. I registered with
    eternal-september .


    See:

    <https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/>

    Newsgroups closed for posting:
    uk.comp.os.linux messages duplication

    Thanks. It would have been useful if the 441 error included that link.

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Mon Aug 23 20:35:02 2021
    XPost: uk.comp.os.linux

    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:

    Just a heads up : in the last few weeks there has been an issue on uk.comp.os.linux where almost every post gets reposted by an
    apparently broken gateway with altered headers. For example

    From: Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    Newsgroups: uk.comp.os.linux
    Subject: Re: Tesseract alternative
    Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 09:41:08 +0100
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
    Lines: 20
    Message-ID: <sfih34$gsi$1@dont-email.me>
    References: <sfam52$f5g$1@dont-email.me>

    got reposted as

    From: Davey <Davey@f1.n221.z2.fidonet.fi>
    Newsgroups: uk.comp.os.linux
    Subject: Re: Tesseract alternative
    Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 09:41:08 +0200
    Organization: rbb soupgate
    Message-ID: <3304777101@f1.n221.z2.fidonet.fi>
    References: <1332937368@f0.n0.z0.fidonet.org>

    For the reposts the header always had

    Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; [...]

    So on 2021-08-22 I tried posting on uk.comp.os.linux through
    news.aioe.org , which is my usual posting server , and got

    Can't post the given input.
    441 Banlist

    .I wasn't sure whether it was my IP which was banned for some reason but I made a post on alt.test shortly after and that was successful. So it is
    the group which is banned.

    So if you use news.aioe.org and want to post on uk.comp.os.linux , you need to make alternative arrangements. I registered with
    eternal-september .


    See:

    <https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/>

    Newsgroups closed for posting:
    uk.comp.os.linux messages duplication

    --
    ^Ï^ <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

    My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Mon Aug 23 14:17:27 2021
    XPost: uk.comp.os.linux

    On 8/23/21 1:39 PM, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
    It would have been useful if the 441 error included that link.

    Agreed.

    It's not always possible, much less easy, to get such hints to surface
    where we want them to. But something worth striving for.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Aioe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 24 16:03:57 2021
    Il 23/08/21 21:39, Spiros Bousbouras ha scritto:
    It would have been useful if the 441 error included that link.

    it's a good idea, now that link is included

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  • From Aioe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 24 16:04:43 2021
    Il 23/08/21 22:17, Grant Taylor ha scritto:

    It's not always possible, much less easy, to get such hints to surface
    where we want them to.

    suggestions are always welcome

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  • From Aioe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 24 16:13:50 2021
    XPost: uk.comp.os.linux

    Il 23/08/21 21:11, Spiros Bousbouras ha scritto:

    So if you use news.aioe.org and want to post on uk.comp.os.linux , you need
    to make alternative arrangements. I registered with eternal-september .


    filter is now updated, you can post.
    thank you for your alert

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Aioe on Tue Aug 24 16:54:31 2021
    XPost: uk.comp.os.linux

    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:13:50 +0200
    Aioe <estasi@aioe.org> wrote:

    Il 23/08/21 21:11, Spiros Bousbouras ha scritto:

    So if you use news.aioe.org and want to post on uk.comp.os.linux , you need
    to make alternative arrangements. I registered with eternal-september .


    filter is now updated, you can post.
    thank you for your alert

    I've been in contact with the admin which is the source of the duplicates. Here is his reply: "There seems to be a loop in fidonet echomail side. i will check this asap."

    It appears to be an unintentional issue and hopefully he can resolve it.

    Retro Guy

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Wed Aug 25 15:10:06 2021
    XPost: uk.comp.os.linux

    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:54:31 -0700
    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:13:50 +0200
    Aioe <estasi@aioe.org> wrote:
    filter is now updated, you can post.
    thank you for your alert

    I've been in contact with the admin which is the source of the duplicates. Here is his reply: "There seems to be a loop in fidonet echomail side. i will check this asap."

    Since you have his contact details perhaps you can also bring to his attention what RFC 5537 says :

    An incoming gateway MUST add a Sender header field to the news
    article it forms by containing the <mailbox> of the administrator of
    the gateway. Problems with the gateway may be reported to this
    <mailbox>.

    There was no Sender header field in the duplicated messages hence we could not contact the gateway hence aioe had to handle it.

    It appears to be an unintentional issue and hopefully he can resolve it.

    Retro Guy

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Fri Aug 27 03:28:37 2021
    XPost: uk.comp.os.linux

    Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:54:31 -0700
    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:13:50 +0200
    Aioe <estasi@aioe.org> wrote:
    filter is now updated, you can post.
    thank you for your alert

    I've been in contact with the admin which is the source of the duplicates. >> Here is his reply: "There seems to be a loop in fidonet echomail side. i will
    check this asap."

    Since you have his contact details perhaps you can also bring to his attention
    what RFC 5537 says :

    An incoming gateway MUST add a Sender header field to the news
    article it forms by containing the <mailbox> of the administrator of
    the gateway. Problems with the gateway may be reported to this
    <mailbox>.

    There was no Sender header field in the duplicated messages hence we could not contact the gateway hence aioe had to handle it.

    Done. He's using Soupgate so the header should really be introduced there, which it probably is not. I know nothing of Soupgate other than having heard about it years ago. I think it pre-dates RFC 5537 but maybe a previous RFC states the same.

    Bringing this to my attention is appreciated also, as I need to add this to the code of one of my projects soon. Thanks.

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