• New Neodome flood (Was: Re: Ongoing flood from Neodome)

    From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sun Jun 6 14:05:51 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

    In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.2106052028420.57527@mako.ath.cx>,
    David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
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    On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000,
    in article <s9fsc2$tk6$1@neodome.net>,
    Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000, Neodome Admin wrote:

    [...]

    As to the David Ritz, I will never believe that this guy have no
    idea how to deal with a simple flood coming from a single source,
    directed to groups he don't read.

    Your assumptions are bad and your clairvoyance quotient sucks, as does >mine. What I read or don't read is quite irrelevant to the problem.

    Your recommendation of filtering shifts responsibility dealing with the >issues surrounding network abuse instances originating from >news.neodome.net. Man up and take responsibility for the problems
    you and the implementation of your philosophy invite.

    I have dealt with NewsAgent floods previously, as well as floods of
    cancel messages, supersedes replacing legitimate posts with spam and
    the issuance of $alz formatted preemptive cancels, using this Swiss
    Army Knife of Usenet Abuse. NewsAgent was specifically designed to
    exploit open proxies, as you saw for yourself, in the recent attack on >alt.checkmate and alt.slack. The apparent ability to switch proxies,
    for each post, appears to be a fairly recent hack. Thanks for
    including the posting-host information, for the second round of this >attack.

    Thanks to the speed of news.neodome.net, the attack was somewhat
    limited. In years past, I have observed more than 300k NewsAgent
    generated porn spam posts, in a single twenty four hour period, via an
    open AnalogX proxy running on a Videotron.ca home user's computer. >Personally, I do not miss those bad old days.

    [...]

    I mean, yeah, it's pretty sad that open Usenet server is used to
    bitch to the world about horrors of rival political opinions.

    This is the same lame excuse, used by hosting providers, for
    infrastructure facilitating cybercrime operations. You and your
    server are nothing new nor anything special.

    Please consider moving news.neodome.net to an authenticated users only >setup. Intentionally running open servers seems an open invitation to >abuse.

    - --
    David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
    "There will be more spam." -- Paul Vixie

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    Open relays must be banned!


    There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

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    Path: snipe.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.neodome.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: suffused Forficula <envision@Forficula.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.usenet.kooks
    Subject: avert come-at-able Casanova the nihilistic throne
    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:39:58 -0000 (UTC)
    Organization: illustrate
    Message-ID: <s9ifmu$117v$1@neodome.net>
    Injection-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:39:58 -0000 (UTC)
    Injection-Info: neodome.net; mail-complaints-to="abuse@neodome.net"

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    --
    ^Ï^ <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

    My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 6 17:07:20 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)

    There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

    This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

    --
    Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana. http://www.eternal-september.org

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  • From David Ritz@21:1/5 to Ray Banana on Sun Jun 6 12:09:53 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

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    On Sunday, 06 June 2021 17:07 +0200,
    in article <m25yyrm3pz.fsf@raybanana.net>,
    Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:

    Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)

    There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

    This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

    Thanks for being a good neighbor, Ray.

    - --
    David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
    "Ethics is in origin the art of recommending to others the sacrifices
    required for cooperation with oneself." - Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to David Ritz on Mon Jun 7 10:53:16 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

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    On Sunday, 06 June 2021 17:07 +0200,
    in article <m25yyrm3pz.fsf@raybanana.net>,
    Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:

    Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)

    There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

    This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

    Thanks for being a good neighbor, Ray.

    Indeed. Many thanks, Ray.

    --
    ^Ï^ <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

    My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From Neodome Admin@21:1/5 to Ray Banana on Wed Jun 9 03:44:52 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> writes:

    Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)

    There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

    This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

    Just don't do it the same way The Doctor did it, Ray. I was looking at
    his solution in, I think, news.software.nntp, and if I understand
    correctly, it rejects not only articles posted to Neodome, but also
    those that just passed Neodome.

    --
    Neodome

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 9 13:46:09 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Thus spake Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net>

    Just don't do it the same way The Doctor did it, Ray. I was looking at
    his solution in, I think, news.software.nntp, and if I understand
    correctly, it rejects not only articles posted to Neodome, but also
    those that just passed Neodome.

    Thank you for your concern, but I'm aware of the pitfalls of Cleanfeed's bad_path configuration file and I know how to filter based on the
    rightmost host name in the Path: header.

    --
    Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana. http://www.eternal-september.org

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to rayban@raybanana.net on Wed Jun 9 14:07:19 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    In article <m2mtrzz2f2.fsf@raybanana.net>,
    Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
    Thus spake Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net>

    Just don't do it the same way The Doctor did it, Ray. I was looking at
    his solution in, I think, news.software.nntp, and if I understand
    correctly, it rejects not only articles posted to Neodome, but also
    those that just passed Neodome.

    Thank you for your concern, but I'm aware of the pitfalls of Cleanfeed's >bad_path configuration file and I know how to filter based on the
    rightmost host name in the Path: header.


    Not my solution. Someone gave it to me.

    And

    from my Daily news report

    Unwanted sites in Path [Top 20]:
    Site Count news.neodome.net 397

    TOTAL: 1 397


    --
    Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana. >http://www.eternal-september.org

    FYI.

    Also I noticed my 2 peering groups went MIA.

    Can anyone help me out in that regard?

    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
    Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
    Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b The pursuit of irresponsibility makes pain a necessity. -unknown

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Neodome Admin on Wed Jun 9 16:32:21 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
    Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> writes:
    Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)

    There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

    This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

    Just don't do it the same way The Doctor did it, Ray. I was looking at
    his solution in, I think, news.software.nntp, and if I understand
    correctly, it rejects not only articles posted to Neodome, but also
    those that just passed Neodome.

    Given that Yads doesn't support any users except himself, and Ray
    supports a significant portion of Usenet's users, it goes without saying
    that one will behave on behalf of his own needs and the other will
    behave in support of the community of users.

    I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.

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  • From Neodome Admin@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Jun 9 18:53:22 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.

    What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
    same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to
    other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is
    exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
    any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's
    another question.

    No article was ever deleted from Neodome server, except the flood that originated from it, and I publicly acknowledged it. Neodome server have
    only one restriction: maximum article size is 64 Kb. Articles in
    alt.binaries.* are expiring quite fast, but there's not much I can do
    about it considering the volume and the fact that I'm paying for
    everything out of my own pocket.

    Yes, when most people say "it's good to have no censorship" they mean "I
    should not be censored, but the ones I disagree with should." But do we
    really have to take such fine script into account? Would you?

    --
    Neodome

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Neodome Admin on Wed Jun 9 19:14:07 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.

    What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
    same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
    any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's another question.

    Pull the other one! Abuse of the net - in this case flooding - has
    nothing to do with censorship, quite the contrary.

    If you can't be bothered to - try to - prevent the abuse (of the net)
    which originates from your server, then just come out and say so, but
    don't spout this kind of nonsense to an audience which sees right
    through it.

    [...]

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  • From Neodome Admin@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Jun 9 19:50:06 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:

    Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.

    What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
    same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to
    other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is
    exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
    any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's
    another question.

    Pull the other one! Abuse of the net - in this case flooding - has
    nothing to do with censorship, quite the contrary.

    Are you sure, Frank? There's a good amount of people who want to post
    via anonymous proxies for whatever reason, you might want to ask them
    why, because I'm not going to. Paolo, for example, think that preventing "abuse" is more important than letting legit messages in. I think
    otherwise. There are similar polarised opinions on death penalty.

    From the very beginning I said that it's a moral problem, not a
    technical one.

    If you can't be bothered to - try to - prevent the abuse (of the net)
    which originates from your server, then just come out and say so, but
    don't spout this kind of nonsense to an audience which sees right
    through it.

    Stop it, Frank. All you do it trying to make me feel uncofomrtable, accusing
    me to be not professional. That's not going to bring you any
    results. It's not that complicated to sign up for a service such as spamhaus.org, and it's even simpler to just start banning IP
    addresses. But it's never going to completely eliminate things you don't
    want to see.

    --
    Neodome

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Jun 10 00:34:44 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
    Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.

    What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
    same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to >>other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is >>exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
    any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's >>another question.

    I'm piggy-backing on Frank's article as Neodome Admin's article didn't
    appear on e-s.

    If a user is allowed to flood a newsgroup, he himself is disrupting the
    normal flow of discussion. That's censorship. When floods are large
    enough to shut down certain News sites, that's a denial of service
    attack.

    Quantity for the sake of quantity isn't freedom of the press given that the effect is shutting down the discussion of others -- their publishing
    activity.

    Pull the other one! Abuse of the net - in this case flooding - has
    nothing to do with censorship, quite the contrary.

    Yes.

    If you can't be bothered to - try to - prevent the abuse (of the net)
    which originates from your server, then just come out and say so, but
    don't spout this kind of nonsense to an audience which sees right
    through it.

    [...]

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Neodome Admin on Thu Jun 10 16:55:53 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:

    Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.

    What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
    same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to >> other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is
    exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
    any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's
    another question.

    Pull the other one! Abuse of the net - in this case flooding - has nothing to do with censorship, quite the contrary.

    Are you sure, Frank? There's a good amount of people who want to post
    via anonymous proxies for whatever reason, you might want to ask them
    why, because I'm not going to. Paolo, for example, think that preventing "abuse" is more important than letting legit messages in. I think
    otherwise. There are similar polarised opinions on death penalty.

    You might want to put some consistency in your 'arguments'! First you
    mix net-abuse (abuse *of* the net) with censorship and now you mix non-censorship with anonimity. Guess what? You can have all three: No
    net-abuse *and* no censorship *and* anonimity. But yes, it takes
    effort. Effort which you apparently are not willing to spend.

    From the very beginning I said that it's a moral problem, not a
    technical one.

    It's clearly both and the moral problem is mainly - if not fully - on
    your side.

    If you can't be bothered to - try to - prevent the abuse (of the net) which originates from your server, then just come out and say so, but
    don't spout this kind of nonsense to an audience which sees right
    through it.

    Stop it, Frank. All you do it trying to make me feel uncofomrtable, accusing me to be not professional. That's not going to bring you any
    results. It's not that complicated to sign up for a service such as spamhaus.org, and it's even simpler to just start banning IP
    addresses. But it's never going to completely eliminate things you don't
    want to see.

    You tried that fallacy already on David and it failed. What makes you
    think it works the second (third?) time around?

    As David and Adam also mentioned, it's *not* about our capability to
    filter the abuse (of the net) originating from your server, but about
    *you* facilitating said abuse, doing little to prevent it, shrugging it
    off when it happens and putting the burden of your failings on others.

    AFAIC, we're done. It's clear you're not willing to take
    responsibility for the net-abuse originating from your server.

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 19 06:41:11 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    Thus spake doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)

    Thank you for your concern, but I'm aware of the pitfalls of Cleanfeed's >>bad_path configuration file and I know how to filter based on the
    rightmost host name in the Path: header.


    Not my solution. Someone gave it to me.

    I know by now. However, adding the hostname to the ME: site definition
    in the newsfeeds file causes the same collateral damage as Cleanfeed's bad_path:
    /-------------------------------------------------------------------
    | If the "ME" entry has an exclusion sub-field, incoming articles are
    | rejected completely if any of the names specified in that
    | exclusion sub-field appear in their Path: headers.
    \___________________________________________________________________

    i.e. it rejects all articles that contain the excluded hostname *anywhere*
    in the Path: rather than rejecting just the articles that originate from
    that host (which is what you really want to do).

    --
    Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana. http://www.eternal-september.org

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to rayban@raybanana.net on Sat Jun 19 13:00:30 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    In article <m2im2alb4o.fsf@raybanana.net>,
    Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
    Thus spake doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)

    Thank you for your concern, but I'm aware of the pitfalls of Cleanfeed's >>>bad_path configuration file and I know how to filter based on the >>>rightmost host name in the Path: header.


    Not my solution. Someone gave it to me.

    I know by now. However, adding the hostname to the ME: site definition
    in the newsfeeds file causes the same collateral damage as Cleanfeed's >bad_path:
    /-------------------------------------------------------------------
    | If the "ME" entry has an exclusion sub-field, incoming articles are
    | rejected completely if any of the names specified in that
    | exclusion sub-field appear in their Path: headers.
    \___________________________________________________________________

    i.e. it rejects all articles that contain the excluded hostname *anywhere*
    in the Path: rather than rejecting just the articles that originate from
    that host (which is what you really want to do).

    --
    Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana. >http://www.eternal-september.org

    Limit open server! make you customers pay for access.
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
    Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
    Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b When we love ideology more than the truth, we cannot help but err. -unknown

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  • From bje@ripco.com@21:1/5 to Ray Banana on Sat Jun 19 13:20:41 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:

    i.e. it rejects all articles that contain the excluded hostname *anywhere*
    in the Path: rather than rejecting just the articles that originate from
    that host (which is what you really want to do).


    So?

    Any system using neodome as their single outbound feed deserves what they
    get.

    Most news systems have multiple outbound feeds and if the one fed into
    neodome gets dropped, it goes on its merry way to one of the others.

    No loss, fuck neodome.

    -bruce
    bje@ripco.com

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  • From YK@21:1/5 to Neodome Admin on Sun Jun 27 13:36:35 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

    On 6/9/2021 6:53 PM, Neodome Admin wrote:
    What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
    same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
    any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's another question.

    I, for one, am just a lowly user but I commend the Neodome admin for
    providing the service that I can use simply to post to Usenet to ask
    questions and get answers to those questions.

    That's gone now (I ask questions of the operating system newsgroups only).

    My one request, which I realize is unrealistic since the floodgates may be opened, is to at least allow the operating system newsgroups to be available (Mac, iOS, Windows, Linux, & Android).

    alt.comp.os.windows-10
    alt.os.linux
    comp.mobile.android
    comp.mobile.ipad
    comp.sys.mac.system
    misc.phone.mobile.iphone

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to Neodome Admin on Sun Jun 27 16:11:20 2021
    XPost: news.admin.peering

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    Neodome Admin wrote:
    Are you sure, Frank? There's a good amount of people who want to post
    via anonymous proxies for whatever reason, you might want to ask them
    why, because I'm not going to. Paolo, for example, think that preventing "abuse" is more important than letting legit messages in. I think
    otherwise. There are similar polarised opinions on death penalty.


    Neodome admins should be given an award for PROTECTING our free speech.
    Frank Slootweg always wants to prevent anyone from ever being anonymous.

    They do things differently in his Netherlands than we do in the USA.
    Frank ran his own nntp server from the Netherlands so he hates free speech.

    Tell us it's not true, Frank.

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